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legendary
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October 30, 2013, 02:18:39 PM
#13
IMHO solo-mining is only worthwhile if you except to mine on average at least 1 block per 6-12 months. Anything beyond that and the variance is so high that you might mine for years without a block, the problem with this is you have no idea if it is due to bad luck or a setup issue.

I feel for your luck. I first discovered bitcoin and tried mining in Jan 2012. I CPU mined (with a laptop CPU) for 12 hours and found a block, but my payout was less than 0.0001 BTC due to the very low hash rate. How is that for crazy high luck. Then in 2012 with 1 GPU mining card I found 4 more blocks, but recieved significantly less in payout.

It just goes to show how high the variance can be, and there is a long tail of probability with zero payout.

I think solo mining is more for the fun of it, but make sure you have enough hashrate to make it worthwhile. With the expected difficulty increases I think you are below the limit...
hero member
Activity: 924
Merit: 1000
October 30, 2013, 02:08:46 PM
#12
In a month or two, solo mining/gambling will be way better than the .0001 BTC/day that 280GH/s will earn, lol.

I agree with this assessment as well.  It will be better to roll the dice on some or all assets in a few months from now unless one has free electricity to run mining equipment.  Right now I think its better to diversify the risk (hashrate).
hero member
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Glow Stick Dance!
October 30, 2013, 02:02:54 PM
#11
In a month or two, solo mining/gambling will be way better than the .0001 BTC/day that 280GH/s will earn, lol.
hero member
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October 30, 2013, 01:59:27 PM
#10
I still say no way, not in any recent two days.

Do you understand statistics at all? If you know how bitcoin works, and you know statistics than you wouldn't say the calculator is wrong.

You would be gambling solo mining. Don't fall for gambler's fallacy.

Yes in recent two days I have found those blocks...look those block #s up in the block chain.  That will give you timestamps of when the blocks were found and by whom.

As far as statistics I have a degree in Mathematics so I probably understand Statistics much more than you ever will learn.


The calculator is using extrapolation.  Extrapolation is inaccurate the further you go out.  If you knew statistics you would know this.  This doesn't even account for sample size.

sr. member
Activity: 364
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October 30, 2013, 01:55:15 PM
#9
I still say no way, not in any recent two days.

Do you understand statistics at all? If you know how bitcoin works, and you know statistics than you wouldn't say the calculator is wrong.

You would be gambling solo mining. Don't fall for gambler's fallacy.
hero member
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October 30, 2013, 01:54:58 PM
#8
Something to think about: The input used to find those blocks would never have been used if you were solo mining.
hero member
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October 30, 2013, 01:37:52 PM
#7
So my  4 module, Batch #3 unit I have had since August 7th.

It has found 4 blocks on Slush's pool in less than 3 months.  Thats 100BTC vs 47 BTC earned on Slush pool.


I am considering using my Avalon (110 gh/s)  to solo mine and my Bitfury (170gh/s) to Pool mine.


What are you guys thoughts?



You are crazy if you are solo mining today with anything less than 25 TH/s.

The variance is going to kill you. You have a very significant chance of losing it all.




yeah well i just found 2 blocks yesterday on a 110gh/s machine.


The calculators are not very accurate for solo block generation as they cannot predict chance of luck, etc.  My idea is dedicate some hash power to solo mining and some to pool mining.   When solo mining becomes luckier than pool mining i switch to all pool mining and maximize my return.

I highly doubt you found two blocks in one day with 110gh/s.

The calculators work flawlessly, they show you the statistical chance of finding a block on your own solo mining. If you want to ignore that, go right ahead...

Ok you are correct, its not 1 day. its 2 blocks in a little over 2 days.  Oct 24th and Oct 26th.  The point is 4 blocks in under 3 months.   This could have been 100 btc versus 47 btc.   My results and other's results indicate that the average time to generate a block solo mining is not accurate on the mining calculators.

hero member
Activity: 506
Merit: 500
October 30, 2013, 01:29:48 PM
#6
 My idea is dedicate some hash power to solo mining and some to pool mining.   When solo mining becomes luckier than pool mining i switch to all pool mining and maximize my return.

Luck does not have memory. When solo mining becomes luckier, it doesnt mean your more likely to be unlucky in future  Wink
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
October 30, 2013, 01:26:44 PM
#5
So my  4 module, Batch #3 unit I have had since August 7th.

It has found 4 blocks on Slush's pool in less than 3 months.  Thats 100BTC vs 47 BTC earned on Slush pool.


I am considering using my Avalon (110 gh/s)  to solo mine and my Bitfury (170gh/s) to Pool mine.


What are you guys thoughts?



You are crazy if you are solo mining today with anything less than 25 TH/s.

The variance is going to kill you. You have a very significant chance of losing it all.



yeah well i just found 2 blocks yesterday on a 110gh/s machine.


The calculators are not very accurate for solo block generation as they cannot predict chance of luck, etc.  My idea is dedicate some hash power to solo mining and some to pool mining.   When solo mining becomes luckier than pool mining i switch to all pool mining and maximize my return.

I highly doubt you found two blocks in one day with 110gh/s.

The calculators work flawlessly, they show you the statistical chance of finding a block on your own solo mining. If you want to ignore that, go right ahead...
hero member
Activity: 924
Merit: 1000
October 30, 2013, 01:23:39 PM
#4
So my  4 module, Batch #3 unit I have had since August 7th.

It has found 4 blocks on Slush's pool in less than 3 months.  Thats 100BTC vs 47 BTC earned on Slush pool.


I am considering using my Avalon (110 gh/s)  to solo mine and my Bitfury (170gh/s) to Pool mine.


What are you guys thoughts?



You are crazy if you are solo mining today with anything less than 25 TH/s.

The variance is going to kill you. You have a very significant chance of losing it all.

yeah well i just found 2 blocks yesterday on a 110gh/s machine.


The calculators are not very accurate for solo block generation as they cannot predict chance of luck, etc.  My idea is dedicate some hash power to solo mining and some to pool mining.   When solo mining becomes luckier than pool mining i switch to all pool mining and maximize my return.
sr. member
Activity: 447
Merit: 250
October 30, 2013, 01:09:55 PM
#3
What are you guys thoughts?

Good luck  Wink

The difficulty is raising so fast you will be lucky if you find another one solo mining with this. It  is interesting in theory, but not funny when you mine 0 BTC in one month  Cheesy
hero member
Activity: 546
Merit: 500
October 30, 2013, 01:04:42 PM
#2
So my  4 module, Batch #3 unit I have had since August 7th.

It has found 4 blocks on Slush's pool in less than 3 months.  Thats 100BTC vs 47 BTC earned on Slush pool.


I am considering using my Avalon (110 gh/s)  to solo mine and my Bitfury (170gh/s) to Pool mine.


What are you guys thoughts?



You are crazy if you are solo mining today with anything less than 25 TH/s.

The variance is going to kill you. You have a very significant chance of losing it all.
hero member
Activity: 924
Merit: 1000
October 30, 2013, 12:41:35 PM
#1
So my  4 module, Batch #3 unit I have had since August 7th.

It has found 4 blocks on Slush's pool in less than 3 months.  Thats 100BTC vs 47 BTC earned on Slush pool.


I am considering using my Avalon (110 gh/s)  to solo mine and my Bitfury (170gh/s) to Pool mine.


What are you guys thoughts?

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