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Quote from: Rothgar on February 13, 2013, 05:05:59 PM

I looked, the coinad transaction is still on bitcoincharts.com. I didn't find evidence of double spending.

Ok, so blockchain.info just dropped all these transactions from their memory pool. That's better. So we are still waiting for the initial transaction to make it into a block.

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I looked, the coinad transaction is still on bitcoincharts.com. I didn't find evidence of double spending.

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Quote from: Rothgar on February 13, 2013, 04:43:44 PM

Quote from: DannyHamilton on February 13, 2013, 04:17:07 PM

. . . Wow, that will be quite a mess for ~~a lot of~~ few people.

FTFY

Based on the incomplete list here:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1524373

I'd say it is quite a bit more than a few.

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Quote from: DannyHamilton on February 13, 2013, 04:17:07 PM

I'm getting "Transacion Not Found" on all those earlier transactions when I look at blockchain.info. Was there a double-spend on that initial transaction? Wow, that will be quite a mess for ~~a lot of~~ few people.

FTFY

But me too. I don't see the transaction, very strange. Maybe it was a double spend. Anyway coinbase should make good on the transaction even if they have to eat a loss. Zero conformation transactions are an issue. I'll never doubt that now.

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I'm getting "Transacion Not Found" on all those earlier transactions when I look at blockchain.info. Was there a double-spend on that initial transaction? Wow, that will be quite a mess for a lot of people.

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I'm also looking a tx that traces back to http://blockchain.info/tx/88eb395b48a6d3875d8d55a6efd34afd2e1d4e397b43f9f790479914fba0c74b

Sad

Hope this gets fixed soon...

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Quote from: willnye on February 13, 2013, 12:58:46 PM

Quote from: Walter Rothbard on February 13, 2013, 12:18:33 PM

Wow, now I understand why a transaction I sent from coinbase last night was unconfirmed, 11 hours later this morning. Glad to hear they are on it.

Have we had anyone from Coinbase/hear from Coinbase about this issue? I have emailed and submitted tickets, and I have received no feedback at all.

Coinbase is aware of the issue and has claimed that they offered a bounty to at least one miner to include the offending transaction in a block so all the subsequent transactions can get confirmed. They have also claimed that they are fixing their code so this sort of thing doesn't happen in the future:

Quote from: brian_armstrong on February 13, 2013, 03:00:49 AM

-SNIP-
We are pushing out a fix for this now so transactions like this should not be used in the future. Luke-Jr was kind enough to starting mining it for us (we sent him a bounty).
-SNIP-

Unfortunately, the transaction has not yet been confirmed. Hopefully it will make it into a block today.

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Quote from: willnye on February 13, 2013, 12:58:46 PM

Quote from: Walter Rothbard on February 13, 2013, 12:18:33 PM

Wow, now I understand why a transaction I sent from coinbase last night was unconfirmed, 11 hours later this morning. Glad to hear they are on it.

Have we had anyone from Coinbase/hear from Coinbase about this issue? I have emailed and submitted tickets, and I have received no feedback at all.

Brian Armstrong has replied in this very thread.

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Quote from: Walter Rothbard on February 13, 2013, 12:18:33 PM

Wow, now I understand why a transaction I sent from coinbase last night was unconfirmed, 11 hours later this morning. Glad to hear they are on it.

Have we had anyone from Coinbase/hear from Coinbase about this issue? I have emailed and submitted tickets, and I have received no feedback at all.

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Wow, now I understand why a transaction I sent from coinbase last night was unconfirmed, 11 hours later this morning. Glad to hear they are on it.

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Quote from: DannyHamilton on February 13, 2013, 09:47:43 AM

Wow! It surprises me how many people are willing to accept a long chain of unconfirmed transactions. Also, there are some decent fees there for a forward looking miner to pick up. If this happens occasionally, I'd think there'd be some incentive for someone to code one.

Luke-Jr has a pull request called child-pays-for-parent that does this. His Eligius pool runs with this patch applied, although Eligius is relatively small and mines roughly a block a day.

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Quote from: ingrownpocket on February 13, 2013, 09:55:10 AM

Quote from: DannyHamilton on February 13, 2013, 09:47:43 AM

- SNIP -
All these later transactions are unconfirmed and waiting on it:

http://blockchain.info/tx/0c2a111573f78ab9e48c4c70d63e80fca8daaeaeedcd2db5dd77a49e16767b82 (fee 0.0005 BTC) (473 bytes)
http://blockchain.info/tx/13d719953efdad24e601766abf2523ef87f29a2a6d3e2a92daf3df9d42c0852c (fee 0.0005 BTC) (607 bytes)
http://blockchain.info/tx/19e2170d1ace3d19001626c655d23166f64eae37aa9308ecab59e5f8dab949c6 (fee 0.001 BTC) (1,373 bytes)*
- SNIP -

What does the * means?

(* indicates transactions that were traced through all subsequent transactions at the time I looked at it):

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Quote from: ingrownpocket on February 13, 2013, 08:00:05 AM

I run CoinAd.
How should I proceed?

EDIT: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--143266

from the other thread:

Quote from: Akka on February 13, 2013, 09:30:49 AM

You could directly ask some large pool operator to please include it. Maybe for a small donation to the pool.

that's essentially what i was suggesting

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Quote from: DannyHamilton on February 13, 2013, 09:47:43 AM

Wow! It surprises me how many people are willing to accept a long chain of unconfirmed transactions. Also, there are some decent fees there for a forward looking miner to pick up. If this happens occasionally, I'd think there'd be some incentive for someone to code one.

I got bored and tried to trace them all down, but this is as far as I got before something else came up that I needed to do:

Given this transaction:

http://blockchain.info/tx/88eb395b48a6d3875d8d55a6efd34afd2e1d4e397b43f9f790479914fba0c74b
(fee 0.0005BTC) (23,857 bytes)

All these later transactions are unconfirmed and waiting on it:

http://blockchain.info/tx/0c2a111573f78ab9e48c4c70d63e80fca8daaeaeedcd2db5dd77a49e16767b82 (fee 0.0005 BTC) (473 bytes)
http://blockchain.info/tx/13d719953efdad24e601766abf2523ef87f29a2a6d3e2a92daf3df9d42c0852c (fee 0.0005 BTC) (607 bytes)
http://blockchain.info/tx/19e2170d1ace3d19001626c655d23166f64eae37aa9308ecab59e5f8dab949c6 (fee 0.001 BTC) (1,373 bytes)*
http://blockchain.info/tx/1bd4a0451ab0ac24b9fe80d7da17cc8bcacbc32c1ed33503fe61f6c4e85d435b (fee 0.0005 BTC) (438 bytes)
http://blockchain.info/tx/1fef207bddd1d98a6c145418c85cf335066c9f613ee12c45c1afdd480d58bf5f (fee 0.0005 BTC) (437 bytes)
http://blockchain.info/tx/2050cb1cddf6a52a783b20a784ff773f55d33829a12369c34e50975a6536fc73 (fee 0.0005 BTC) (439 bytes)*
(snip)

What does the * means?

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Quote from: ingrownpocket on February 13, 2013, 08:00:05 AM

EDIT: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--143266

Double spend it ofcourse!

(p.s. not serious, don't do that, that is bad. But it would people teach a lesson on accepting 0-confirmation-transactions..)

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Quote from: payb.tc on February 13, 2013, 07:41:06 AM

Quote from: ingrownpocket on February 13, 2013, 06:53:53 AM

Quote from: payb.tc on February 13, 2013, 12:43:17 AM

Quote from: willnye on February 13, 2013, 12:27:30 AM

I will update if anything happens, as well as let you know anything that Coinbase gets back to me with. I'm not an expert with this bitcoin stuff, but there are not any alternative explanations, right?

in any case, don't give up on the 13 BTC, and keep your wallet backups safe

it's possible that a miner could be offered additional financial incentive after the fact, to include an old unconfirmed TX in its next block

in this scenario, coinad should probably be the one to offer the incentive, although stakeholders such as yourself might also volunteer some payment in order to get it processed

(or coinbase, if they value their reputation)

How? The only address I control is the change address.

doesn't matter what you control

i don't control any of it, but i could still offer Mining Pool XYZ a reward for including that rogue transaction in their next block for me

the tx was initially created by coinad, with an insufficient fee. so i was suggesting that coinad be the ones to offer additional financial incentive to mining pools to get it over the line... financial incentive that probably should have been included in the tx in the first place.

I run CoinAd.
How should I proceed?

EDIT: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--143266

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Quote from: ingrownpocket on February 13, 2013, 06:53:53 AM

Quote from: payb.tc on February 13, 2013, 12:43:17 AM

Quote from: willnye on February 13, 2013, 12:27:30 AM

I will update if anything happens, as well as let you know anything that Coinbase gets back to me with. I'm not an expert with this bitcoin stuff, but there are not any alternative explanations, right?

in any case, don't give up on the 13 BTC, and keep your wallet backups safe

it's possible that a miner could be offered additional financial incentive after the fact, to include an old unconfirmed TX in its next block

in this scenario, coinad should probably be the one to offer the incentive, although stakeholders such as yourself might also volunteer some payment in order to get it processed

(or coinbase, if they value their reputation)

How? The only address I control is the change address.

doesn't matter what you control

i don't control any of it, but i could still offer Mining Pool XYZ a reward for including that rogue transaction in their next block for me

the tx was initially created by coinad, with an insufficient fee. so i was suggesting that coinad be the ones to offer additional financial incentive to mining pools to get it over the line... financial incentive that probably should have been included in the tx in the first place.

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Quote from: payb.tc on February 13, 2013, 12:43:17 AM

Quote from: willnye on February 13, 2013, 12:27:30 AM

I will update if anything happens, as well as let you know anything that Coinbase gets back to me with. I'm not an expert with this bitcoin stuff, but there are not any alternative explanations, right?

in any case, don't give up on the 13 BTC, and keep your wallet backups safe

it's possible that a miner could be offered additional financial incentive after the fact, to include an old unconfirmed TX in its next block

in this scenario, coinad should probably be the one to offer the incentive, although stakeholders such as yourself might also volunteer some payment in order to get it processed

(or coinbase, if they value their reputation)

How? The only address I control is the change address.

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I have no affiliation with Coinbase, but I think it's worth pointing out that they have been extremely responsive to people's feedback, and are providing a very valuable service (allowing people in the US to get into Bitcoin with minimal fuss at a reasonable fee level).

So panic messages, like "Don't use this service until this gets fixed" are a bit extreme at this point. Time and time again, Coinbase has stepped forward to address issues, at cost to them.

My reaction to this alarmist post was "meh, they'll get it fixed. I just won't pull coins out for a few days."

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