Some Newbie ~ Membar got nice rank through pumpkin contest

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Quote from: Lucius on January 29, 2023, 07:52:41 AM

Quote from: Adbitco on January 29, 2023, 06:50:29 AM

At least most of them really deserved those merits, you think is easy burning time to carve those things?

It was certainly not easy for some, because we can see from the examples that some participated with more accounts and therefore had a lot more work to do with carving more than one pumpkin. In addition, it is not about stone or wood that is processed, but about an ordinary pumpkin.

A very simple solution for all future contests is to make it impossible to give merit in such threads and then we will not have the need to discuss such things.

Yeah absolutely.

And in addition, I think next time there should be some restrictions or level of account that may be eligible participates, but haven seen that there are more people using multiple accounts to participate or sharing merits among themselves can be panelized and phish out quickly.
Somehow at @Igebotz was right, seeing an account filled with bounty post or reports doesn't deserved any merits. Although we give without viewing most of their profile.
I would love the next contest not be open for bounty account and newly created account may not be eligible to participate, there should be some sets of ranges to participate in the contest imo.

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Quote from: Igebotz on January 29, 2023, 08:21:28 AM

Quote from: Mpamaegbu on January 28, 2023, 05:05:22 AM

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Not every Sig/Bounty ANN are given merits, and I believe some are given based on how they organize and present the rules. By the way, 2-3 merits on an ANN is not a bad thing.

Sorry, you missed my point. However, the bottom line is that even if it were just a single merit splashed on such it still doesn't mean it's a constructive post. Those who do it know what inspires them but certainly I don't think it's quality. Don't get me wrong again, I ain't one to direct or say how users should splash their merit. If for anything, I'm one who believes that meriting posts is more of a subjective exercise than an objective one. Once users aren't trading merit or abusing it, I don't think there's any infringement on how one should spend their merit.

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Quote from: Mpamaegbu on January 28, 2023, 05:05:22 AM

tell me what is constructive or quality about meriting OP of signature or bounty campaigns? Some of us do this as our emotions move us and not necessarily because those posts serve any genuine or constructive purpose.

Not every Sig/Bounty ANN are given merits, and I believe some are given based on how they organize and present the rules. By the way, 2-3 merits on an ANN is not a bad thing.

Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on January 28, 2023, 08:28:44 AM

Quote from: Igebotz on January 27, 2023, 09:21:59 PM

This is exactly what I was discussing in this thread

Merit games, tasks, and art contests open the door for bounty hunters and spammers to advance in rank, and I wouldn't waste a single merit on those types of threads. Merit is a reward for quality posts; if we start awarding merits to Arts or a random hunter who solved a puzzle, we are already defeating the purpose of the merit system.

I do not see anything reprehensible in such competitions. On the contrary, if someone has new ideas and desires, why not participate? But another point is important here: everything needs a measure. Someone participates really sincerely, and someone appears everywhere with all their alternative accounts.

There is nothing wrong with participating with an open mind; I was one of the first users to express interest, got my pumpkin, and presented it on the thread (uncurved); I was waiting for the perfect time to curve mine when something came up and ignored and deleted my application.

it was an honest contest organized by OP. I'm not sure why a single user would bestow 25+ merits on a single piece of art. It appears to be a large Alt to Alt opportunity.

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Quote from: Adbitco on January 29, 2023, 06:50:29 AM

At least most of them really deserved those merits, you think is easy burning time to carve those things?

It was certainly not easy for some, because we can see from the examples that some participated with more accounts and therefore had a lot more work to do with carving more than one pumpkin. In addition, it is not about stone or wood that is processed, but about an ordinary pumpkin.

A very simple solution for all future contests is to make it impossible to give merit in such threads and then we will not have the need to discuss such things.

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Is there anything wrong with the merits earn from the contest?
They earn those merits because people finds their design and art work attractives and deserved to be merited, so if any of them earns merits doesn't mean they should be penalized for it. You either give your merits to any post or topics which you find meaningful, i don't think there is any law holding you not to give anyone merit.

Quote from: Igebotz on January 27, 2023, 09:21:59 PM

Have you ever wondered why these types of contests appeal to only low rank members??

I think maybe to help them earn some decent merits from their hard work and time.
At least most of them really deserved those merits, you think is easy burning time to carve those things?

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Quote from: Igebotz on January 27, 2023, 09:21:59 PM

This is exactly what I was discussing in this thread

Merit games, tasks, and art contests open the door for bounty hunters and spammers to advance in rank, and I wouldn't waste a single merit on those types of threads. Merit is a reward for quality posts; if we start awarding merits to Arts or a random hunter who solved a puzzle, we are already defeating the purpose of the merit system.

Have you ever wondered why these types of contests appeal to only low rank members??

I do not see anything reprehensible in such competitions. On the contrary, if someone has new ideas and desires, why not participate? But another point is important here: everything needs a measure. Someone participates really sincerely, and someone appears everywhere with all their alternative accounts.
Anyone following this story can see what these people's greed leads to. Recent stories of their passing merit on to their alts, as well as a deeper look into the post histories, have brought more shame than glory.
Therefore, as always, those who try to be too cunning are bound to reveal their lies sooner or later.

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Quote from: Igebotz on January 27, 2023, 09:21:59 PM

This is exactly what I was discussing in this thread

Merit games, tasks, and art contests open the door for bounty hunters and spammers to advance in rank, and I wouldn't waste a single merit on those types of threads.

I side with you on this. A few times that I took a critical look at some users I wanted to merit when I had enough, I saw that some had too much posts and activities but zero merit. I checked their post histories only to discover that they were heavily populated with bounty reports. It discouraged me from even meriting one or two of their posts that weren't bounty reports. To now send merits to such users simply because they won some sorts of competitions shouldn't be encouraged at all.

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Merit is a reward for quality posts...

In all sincerity, I don't believe that. Meriting posts is as subjective as emotions go. I've seen heavy shitposts get merited, even by those we feel are excellent posters. Again; still on the matter, tell me what is constructive or quality about meriting OP of signature or bounty campaigns? Some of us do this as our emotions move us and not necessarily because those posts serve any genuine or constructive purpose.

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This is exactly what I was discussing in this thread

Merit games, tasks, and art contests open the door for bounty hunters and spammers to advance in rank, and I wouldn't waste a single merit on those types of threads. Merit is a reward for quality posts; if we start awarding merits to Arts or a random hunter who solved a puzzle, we are already defeating the purpose of the merit system.

Have you ever wondered why these types of contests appeal to only low rank members??

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Quote from: JoyMarsha on January 27, 2023, 12:27:49 PM

I didn't see it as a problem if someone can get a good number of merits from the Pumpkin contest. Only a few members of the forum participated in it(Those that can create a good pumpkin got rewarded by merits). If creating a good pumpkin is easy, I think many of the forum members would have participated in it fully.

I think that's the whole point of the merit system. Merits are to earn by forum members that are active and are willing to work on themselves in other for them to improve either by creating good quality post or participating in contests like these in the forum. I think everyone that earn merits on the contest have really deserved it because it isnt an easy work to carry out a carving artwork on a pumpkin. And just like what you said@joymarsha, i think many people saw the contest but didn't participate or their artwork wasn't quality enough for people to merit it. So the merits earned were worked for and well deserved.

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I didn't see it as a problem if someone can get a good number of merits from the Pumpkin contest. Only a few members of the forum participated in it(Those that can create a good pumpkin got rewarded by merits). If creating a good pumpkin is easy, I think many of the forum members would have participated in it fully.

From the list you shared of members that got merits from the pumpkin contest is 19 in number(account). 12 accounts have above 50-109merits, and the remaining 7 have below 50merits.

It is just a chilled pill of merits given to them as a reward of pumpkins creation. Not much bad deal

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Quote from: Rikafip on January 21, 2023, 06:36:15 PM

Quote from: leonair on January 21, 2023, 08:46:32 AM

However, there have been some reports that many of them have created their alt accounts.

Well, based on the list you provided I see only a few accounts that were created after pumpkin contest started.

Yes, a small number of accounts were opened after the start of the Pumpkin Contest, but they were opened by those who had previous accounts and succeeded in getting high merit by posting pumpkins one or more times, so they were encouraged to open new accounts. Anyway this is not a big problem as having multiple accounts on the forum is not a big deal if no bad things are done with that account.

Quote from: Rikafip on January 21, 2023, 06:36:15 PM

Quote from: leonair on January 21, 2023, 08:46:32 AM

And many users have earned merit from here and qualified themselves for signature campaigns. But sadly those who got merit only from pumpkin contest.

If that's what they needed in order to get into signature campaigns then I don't expect them to be very successful staying in those or getting into new ones, or reaching higher ranks.

In terms of reaching higher ranks, some accounts can range from newbie to full member and Some full members are not senior members but are close to it. Because from here a pumpkin post was ready to get minimum 50 merits to 100+ merits for each account. It's nothing to blame and I'm not blaming someone just saying that the pumpkin contest was a great opportunity for many to boost their account. And I appreciate all those users who were able to exploit this opportunity

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Some peeps made good use of the contest, while some took great advantage of it; but you seee, from some thorough scrutinization, I discovered that alot that tried to fit-in just for the sake of fishing merits were either shat upon by those grim, stern-looking merit sources Or simply ignored ... It paid 'em off -- for the early ones -- but after the first set made 'em intentions very obvious, the sources took record in anticipation for the next set of losers...lol
I'm afraid Nothing much can be done about this yunno; only that most of them got tagged already.

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Not matter with newbie or member account level get high rank trough pumpkin contest because they have unique paint, the merit sender dominance by higher account level and they know about which one unique and beautiful picture on pumpkin contest for sending merit point. I am disappointed with the newbie and member account have chance with many points merit received because I am late participants there.

Hope one day later have new contest and try with my lucky how many points merit earn, actually is not first time when have user get many points merit actually before pumpkin contest there are have pizza day contest and every one allowed for publishing their unique picture and get merit.

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I discovered the contest late and honestly I don’t think I had the time to carve the piece of art. True the bitcoin pumpkin contest was showered with merits but it was not a easy way to get merits, the participants worked hard and were appreciated for their efforts. As for spammers and account farmers using this means to abuse the merit system, I don’t think they will get very far with it. These contests come once in a year, if they can’t make quality posts till then they won’t get any merit.

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Quote from: Tamaperdana on January 21, 2023, 08:52:11 PM

but their hard work should be appreciated, because one day is not enough to make a good pumpkin carving, they also have to take their time to make the pumpkin, they also do it hard and earnestly, and they also enliven the pumpkin carving event , so it's only natural that they receive a lot of appreciation.

Their hard work was appreciated that's why they got those numbers of merits they received and nobody is against rewarding their hardwork. I think the issue the OP is trying to raise attention to was that lots of users used the opportunity to get merits for their alts. The moment a user enrolls more than one account in any contest or campaign then they have abused the alt privilege and should be punished. There's nothing wrong with having alts but don't abuse the forum with them.

Quote from: EFS on January 21, 2023, 04:42:57 AM

Also as Rikafip said they need to do a lot more to reach higher ranks.

Or they can basically stay active just to get the activities while waiting on another opportunity to participate in a contest to gain more merits and rank up. They don't have to be that outstanding in their writing, just been average can get them into some decent paying campaigns especially when there's alot of campaign available and they already have a lots of merits to put them above others when that is been reviewed.

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Quote from: rat03gopoh on January 22, 2023, 05:00:59 AM

Quote from: LoyceV on January 21, 2023, 09:43:43 AM

Even the background (wall) in their pictures looks the same.

you mean this?

Actually, I meant those two:

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But the ones you selected have the same background too. Someone's been busy!

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Interesting reading...

There is no doubt the competition got MASSIVE attention and participation. There was a
lot of merit awarded throughout and this attracted more participation.

I think the main goal in participating by some was purely for the merit and not the prizes.

Quote from: rat03gopoh on January 22, 2023, 05:00:59 AM

Quote from: LoyceV on January 21, 2023, 09:43:43 AM

Even the background (wall) in their pictures looks the same.

you mean this?

Looking at those 3 images, what is also visible is the bed frame ^{I think it's a bed}
in the 3rd. pic it's in the bottom left corner.

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Quote from: LoyceV on January 21, 2023, 09:43:43 AM

Even the background (wall) in their pictures looks the same.

you mean this?

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Quote from: Woodie on January 21, 2023, 08:39:18 PM

But overall what do the numbers look like, how was the merit distribution for all that participated on average?

None does not matter. There are some system loss, some people abused it, they found a way to earn merit but they gave some efforts don't they? Merit is to appreciate the efforts you make to contribute to the forum. It could be by writing good posts, helping someone when they need some information or even just posting a meme which can entertain others.

A spammer will not receive more merit if they do not improve their post quality. Whatever they received they will stuck there forever. In Wall Observer you will see many merit hunters. Before noticing they earn a lot of merit but it does not mean we stop meriting everyone.

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Quote from: Tamaperdana on January 21, 2023, 08:52:11 PM

but their hard work should be appreciated, because one day is not enough to make a good pumpkin carving, they also have to take their time to make the pumpkin, they also do it hard and earnestly, and they also enliven the pumpkin carving event , so it's only natural that they receive a lot of appreciation.

Yeah I think this carving need a lot of tools, idea, and maybe it takes around a year to complete it Cheesy

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But hey I'm not against a user who want to send a lot sMerit in art contest because it's up to them and if they think they're not deserve to get a lot sMerit, they can choose to not give it in the first place.

It's actually good to see the increase of merit circulation and it help many low rank user to able to rank up rather than I saw a newbie complaining why rank up is hard or ask a tutorial how to get merit.

I don't think it's wrong to see rank up is more easier in this forum, if people think this will help them to qualify in signature campaign, the campaign manager doesn't only look from the merit received, but also the quality of their post too.

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