Topic: Some people that left this forum recently (Read 394 times)

I read this same topic and now it has made me wonder where else they would have gone to when they left the forum? Probably some other forum or some other part of this crazy world wide web. Just because the mixers have left and the posters associated with them have gone to some other website doesn't mean that we have completely lost our way as a forum. The forum is still the exact same forum lol and I agree with you that people come and people go. There are plenty of other camps to become familiar with with similar comp.

I meant maybe a text banner at the top of the page for a day or two,   Announce the event vs recording it for posterity.

P.S.  Can't be guessing what I know for a fact after what I went through.   I have lost a lot of memory.  

$1200 in 28 days you mean I guess. Well you are certainly right about the fact that lower paying rates for signature campaigns had an impact on that trend. But social medias also have their share of responsibility IMO. Traditional internet forums are less visited than they used to be. Most users here are wearing a signature advertising something, and newcomers are looking for doing it too. So I think people coming here are less looking for information or for a community to belong thas they use to be, actually.

I don't have a list, but a few signature services were paying more than $200 per month, and the problem currently is not that mixers are banned, but rather that there are no signature campaigns other than gambling, which often focus on ad impressions more than the quality of posts, so you see most campaigns paying less than $100 but it employs more than 30 members.

What exactly do you mean, Vod? On bpip.org there is an hourglass next to the nicknames of those who have not logged in to the forum for some time. I understand you know that for a fact and are not referring to it.

We just have to accept that people come and go, that's how it is and no matter the reason, it will always be this way. We have to understand that people in this forum have their lives outside of the forum and I think that we just have to respect that they're not going to be back here also, some people just don't have the time anymore and they probably don't see the worth of staying here, it's not like if they leave that the forum that they will stop investing in the forum, or maybe they're just taking a long extended break in this forum and they want to do other things although I don't get why the need to do that given that you can still log in from time to time.

@ibminer after a legendary user has gone inactive or RIP, you could use BPIP to notify.

Just like bitcoin, the forum is not for everyone. Although they might make some efforts of learning and knowledge acquisition, but eventually, they quit and leave the forum. Maybe because the interest is no longer there or they just turned lazy to keep updated with the forum.

However, I don’t think this will create a problem. The forum is widely open so expect that if there are people who chose to leave, others will also take the chance entering the forum. It’s just that we all have different impression with the forum, some find it an ideal place to stay longer and become more educated about crypto while some are just good for visiting only.

I don’t feel that as a signature campaign participant, I am receiving just a very low compensation. In fact, no other company would offer as much as this and to think that it’s a weekly payout, then that becomes more attractive most especially to breadwinners.

As long as we are being paid here, new members will continue to enter and hope to be a part of a signature campaign. With how hard it is right now to find a good job outside this forum, having this kind of side job should never be ignored. Except for those who are still not aware that crypto signature campaigns exist.

Nobody can deny the facts you said, where many people are leaving the forum, due to the ban of mixers and anything related to them, the amount of signature campaigns back then was very good and almost filled all the active members, getting paid weekly and motivated to be creative in the forum. Quality posts were way better when mixers  were allowed, however, we also can’t deny that this step were necessary for the forum to stay away of many troubles by the government chasing these platforms and services.
The forum was always the best destination for quality members and will always stay this way, I believe that after all what happened, something better may appear and things will get better, as much as we believe in bitcoin we also should believe and keep our quality posts here, not only for the sake of signature payments, but to share and spread your knowledge, information, truth and ideas here, at the same time many visitors will appreciate you.

The word filtering is actually what am referring to as not being able to give someone a proper description. We knows that in the space, their are lot of scammers who tries to use the website of another successful company and if you do look closely, you can log in to the wrong site and get scammed. So, if you were to direct someone to a mixer site and you can not put the link, it makes it look so unusual like th old forum we used to know.   You can drop link to anything site you want as long as it's not a malware or a phishing link. I just believe it became boring for some members and they just left.

That may not have also been the only reason they left, some of those members have their personal reasons.

You echoed my thoughts. Those who have been on the forum for a long time have seen people who came to the forum later than them. And today, these people are already becoming heroes and legends, which may be evidence that the forum is attractive to newcomers. Today's newcomers have plenty of opportunities to learn a business that will soon be of universal importance. Bitcoin is becoming more expensive, and knowledge acquired a long time ago also becomes even more valuable and experienced for those who accumulate it.

I don’t think anybody should care about them that much. It would be good if they didn’t leave but maybe they found a better place to hang out who knows? There are super newbie accounts popping up every once in a while and they will become legendaries soon and make up for the losses of the old big names. As long as there is an incentive to post, the forum will always attract good posters and good posters will attract more readers and the cycle will keep feeding itself.

And what do you suggest?

Raise their rates to the previous levels of mixer signature campaigns? Or maybe @Theymos should pay them extra from his own/forum reserves?

Give examples of those who left the forum after the ban on advertising mixers on bitcointalk. In my opinion, all active forum users are still here. Perhaps the number of their posts has decreased, because the previous maximum limits of posts per week (like 50 posts in CM) as there were in mixer signature campaigns are no longer there. Even taking into account the fact that in the current signature campaigns the payouts are more modest than in mixers, this is still a very pleasant bonus just for communicating on the forum. So, I am sure that without any particular reason, active users will not leave the forum for a very long time.

Then why are you worried? This is a natural process of updating and cleaning the forum. Without fresh minds, development stops.

Or not. Or just a lot more people will leave than will come.

As I commented in another post, there was a golden age of poker in which those of us who lived it only realized that we had lived it a posteriori, when we were already in full decline.

Maybe the time of the best discussions is over and the time where the best posters were paid the best for such discussions, like $250 or more, too.

I don't know if you have ever seen a forum traffic die? Like, visit it after a while and realize that the last reply to most threads in the main section is weeks old.

I'm not saying it's necessarily going to be like that but it's certainly a possibility, and recent events point to it (ban on mixers, traffic drop).

Other reputable members here came across even without the signature because some of them want to gain knowledge about the bitcoin, it feels just the signature is an extra income with your contributions to the community, and imagine the number of information you can see here that might help with your path taking in crypto and knowledge. People have a life outside this forum so it's normal if you can see them inactive for a day or even weeks without prior notice.


Most of the time I've seen this to the newbies who created an account in the forum and made a post on how to earn money, once they can't deal with it, and add on with the merit system they abandon their account like nothing happened.

a dinosaur 😆
Quite good besides outdated theme. Other forum i joined always update their UI. A few which like this site is usually forum about outdated things like traffic exchange stuff


Those really strict posting rule is what makes crap post always abundant as people forced to write in specific sub even though there is nothing to write

Some reputable forum members did not get their reputation simply by pursuing the stipends given by signature campaigns. Signature campaigns only came as an opportunity for them which they took, and now that the very high signature campaigns have almost all ended they are not discouraged to leave the forum because the money was not their original reason for being in this forum.
Before a reputable member of this forum decides to leave the forum, I take it like they have a very good reason for it maybe as a break due to the mental fatigue that being and contributing in this form every day can cause or maybe as a result of them being occupied by other activities outside of the forum, there could also be other special reasons.

Am sure many of those posters who we no longer see as much, are engaged perhaps in the altcoin talk forum that many of us ported our Bitcointalk accounts to or it could be that they have lost their access to their accounts or having health concerns or they are having any kind of the challenges that we may most times experience as beings.

 If they are more active there and have joined campaigns that don't mind about the mixers subject, it could be a very good reason and in addition to the fact that evolution is happening here, therefore some will have to leave or pass through this forum, inorder for others to come onboard and benefit as much as they learn.

I didn't see the freedom of speech part of your topic coming at the ending, I was thinking you'll be asking if the reduce in payment is the reason they left and my response that was already in my head was that, if they want to leave because they're not being paid well, then they don't deserve to be here in the first place and for those leaving for freedom of speech, what would they had loved between having no forum to come to or the precaution step that the forum took to stay operational and avoid harassment from the government.

Irrespective of what we like, the forum isn't decentralized but centralized and the government can take it down if they consider here to being an accomplice to the crimes the mixers are getting accused of and theymos would be the one taking all the heat while we stay safe at our homes. I don't think it's the low pay that is making them to leave the forum but there are only things that is taking their time and also because they aren't getting accepted into the available campaigns either intentionally or because they aren't active posters on the boards that the campaigns managers needs participants from.

People come and go, thats just life.  When stuff gets busy, interests change or maybe the place just gets boring.  Cant blame folks for moving on, you know? 

But some of these signature campaigns if not watched close, could really mess things up around here.  Now theres already a few happening which are alright enough.  Though seems like more low-rent ones keep popping up too, offering rewards for posts that dont say much or matter.  And if that becomes the norm, then for sure the conversations will suck and

Id say the mood around here depends just as much on the managers running these campaigns as it does on the moderators.  Both of them shape what kind of place we have.

I said it before and I will still say it again that, it's quite obvious that these set of people left because mixer left the forum. Maybe they feel that what was fetching them little money as you called it is no longer here and the available ones are becoming more competitive, and taking a pay cut to promote available campaigns might not really go down well with them. It will take a lot for someone who is used to earning $250 and above to suddenly settle for $80 or $90, so they will look for something else that can be giving them similar range of income elsewhere.  

It might not be that they left outrightly though, it could be that they are just taking break for sometime with the hope that something different will happen to make them be more active.

The campaigns don't need to augment their pay rates for whatever reasons that should be.... I mean, they could decide to not raise the payments. Secondly, you also don't have to force things on people; alot of posters with accounts in disguise in here are millionaires.. if they choose to not advertise any casino for offering a lower pay rate, that's exactly their own decision!

it's appalling that the actual genuiness and hunger for more adept knowledge on Bitcoin has been traded for a token; if truly, most people left the community for that reason, I'll be damned for not knowing how less interested people could be on things they earn nothing from.
Edit: I'd be surprised too... Why must I be entitled to something that's not an entitlement?

This doesn't have anything to do with the signature campaigns if we are talking about OGs because they were here even before the existence of signatures but the restrictions regarding the discussion about mixers might be a trigger point.

I would say we are running out of things that has to be discussed anymore, because it has been discussed over and over so at some point it will get boring so people stopped doing it.

As someone said keeping the discussion board is active for the future of bitcointalk even if it's mostly filled with spam and that's why the merit system is introduced isn't it, so do we need to change anything in the system because numbers obviously matters most in the internet world.

Likes, followers, subscribers so does merits.

The business model of mixers imply that they are going to make an insane amount of profit and thus will have much more money to spend on advertising than other kinds of services. Banning them hasn't really changed a thing in that regard, and I would be surprised if anybody left because they went from earning $200 to $100 per week.

People come and go, this has nothing to do with mixers or banning mixer signatures. People spend more time on social media. Those platforms are more suitable for quick access to information and instant interaction. Forum culture is just a habit of dinosaurs like us from the past.
It's normal for new members to come in small numbers and for some old members to leave. I'm also a member of many forums besides here. When I compare them with this forum, I can say that the current state of the forum is quite good.

Well if you noticed majority stays. I think its not about the payment but the availability of them or interest to stay. Sure some left due to personal life stuff or got bored in staying here. No one get bored if you get paid for hanging out. Is there such user whom actively posting evem though they arent on signature, for sure only few and those are really dedicated here. But of course if theres a privilege like be in a campaign regardless how big the compensation youll do it right.

I will rule out the not talk freely part, yea the forum has been placed under some certain restrictions which are just word of url filtering to direct mixer sites not to promote mixers as signatures (since they contain the url too) but all other freedom of the forum still exists so I wouldn’t say the reason why the whole lots of members left were solely because of lack of freedom.

The Siezure of Chipmixer was definitely the first stroke that affected the forum, the amount paid was definitely kind of an incentive for them and having to post 50 posts a week was a motivation to come here everyday to do something. When it ended some of them were definitely done with promoting any campaign here again as the remaining ones didn’t probably align with their narratives, so the 50 post which seems like a must a week reduced.

Another reason again is for the technical board, there was certainly no new projects or proposals coming in like they use to have in the past and that reduce the engagement on that board which was reason why some members visit here and as made them to reduce their engagement in the entire board. So there are many reasons that has affected the forum lack of traffic this days.

Off topic though; I see the reduce engagement of the reputable members on the forum affecting the merit circulation also has this has also reduce the number of merit sources here. Needless to say but merit is also like an encouragement to others to post more quality threads here and it’s reducing though

The forum will not die because no more signature campaigns are allowed here. It will return to what it was before signature campaigns appeared here years ago.

In 2017, because of Bitcoin bull run and ICO waves, the forum was flooded with spammers and theymos considered many options before he decided to launch the merit system.

One of options is shut down the signature campaign industry globally.

See

• Ideas for improving post quality

Recall that there are spammers in those mixer campaigns ^{community complained about it as I know}, having them here is not always good for post quality and spam issue in the forum.

The question we all should still be asking ourself is on how well we are going to remain committed to the forum even without having signature campaigns to participate in, there is nothing bad in it when we already have a large number of people who truly depends on the signature campaigns for their survival because of poor economy and the likes, but also remember that it was something most of them have been used to before hearing bout bitcoin or this forum, but whichever way, we should know that life goes on and people will always come here and go no matter what.

I read that first topic and from what I observed, there were lot of legendary members who where promoting Chipmixer back then and they where deeply contributing to the forum but after the campaign stopped and the company was ceased, some members stopped being active on the forum while some of old participants of the campaign are still active.

The honest truth is that mixer campaigns paid higher in terms of post incentives but since there's non high paying campaign, it still made some members lose interest on the forum pluse the fact that they can not talk freely and make reference to some sites for Bitcoin privacy.

I am not saying that there are no other reputable members on the forum but many left and some stopped being active as before when they were deeply be engaged in posting educative comment and topics for health discussion.

Just as the saying goes, "soldier go, soldier come, barrack remains as it is. "  There is life outside the forum, some members might have left because they find others important stuffs to do outside the forum, we might feel the impact of their absence but with time, the forum can still become better if there is no strict changes that can further make people lose interest.

CM paid most of his campaign 0.0375 BTC for 50 posts per week, what you mentioned didn't last too long - and the max payout per week was $1200 (you added one more zero). If you look at the current price of BTC, anyone who was in the campaign in, say, the first three years and did not spend their earnings today can say that they earned about $10 000 a month or $120 000 a year.


It is true that some left for various reasons, and some certainly because they were no longer motivated (financially) or they got scared after CM was banned. However, many remained and are still active regardless of the fact that the campaigns pay quite low pay rates compared to what they paid before. It would be interesting to see what would happen if some campaigns significantly raised pay rates - that is, if that would motivate some old members to return.


There is some truth in that, but it's still hard to replace some members who have been on the forum for a long time and they were extremely high-quality posters. In addition, new members used to definitely have a motive to one day become members of some of the best paid sig campaigns, today there is no such motive at all - although for some, even $100 a week is certainly a lot of money.

Who leave will leave or already leave and who stay will stay here with us.

I don't know you noticed some differences in their posting intensity. People who left after CM event and a more severe ban on all mixers, usually don't post too much. So even those campaigns stay with us, they will continue their very limited posts weekly.

People who stay after CM or mixer ban here, are active posters and I believe they will continue to stay here before we see their posting intensity drops a lot.

There are many reputable posters who have never been in a signature campaign since they joined the forum. Check the technical board and you'll see them. While some have left, some are still here and money was never the motivation. I don't know what their motivation if as it could be one of many. The thing is, for some of them it wasn't the pay, maybe they got bored of the forum and decided to move on to something interesting.

I agree with you.

We can't know if we didn't ask the users, so your assumption is just one of many reasons.

I would say it's better to separate low pay and freedom of speech/censoring.

The forum only censor direct URL link, anyone who want to discuss about certain mixer, review, how it works are still fine. We can say the forum has no freedom of speech if talking about mixer will get punishment.

FTFY.

You are actually right, and anyone on this forum before the mixer ban must have known this as well, so I really don't see a need for this thread. You should have just discussed it over there on the other thread by @BlackHatCoiner If campaigns are really what's going to make the forum as active as it was before, then I know there will be more signature campaigns soon. We just need a little patience.

I read this topic Is this forum getting worse and worse?

During the mixers days on this forum, some good posters were visiting this forum daily and contributing good. Some of them are in mixers campaigns and they were collecting huge amount of money but which might still be small for them if they are living in a well developed country. Small or not small, it is still money that can help.

I said the money can help because Chipmixer was paying $300 which is $12000 in 28 days and $15600 in a year. That amount is not small in a way we can call it small. It can still be used to pay for house rent and some bills in well developed countries like the United. Mixero was paying $250 weekly. Sinbad was paying $200. It went to the point that Tumbler came and paying $250 for 25 posts weekly.

Many of this good posters are now in Exch, Bcgame and Blackjack campaign but the payment is very lower than the mixers that have been banned on this forum. Do you think that the low pay makes some reputable posters to leave the forum in the name of no freedom of speech and censoring? Or I am just wrong about it.

One thing I know is that as some people will go, some people will come.