Topic: Some Random Thoughts on KYC and Non-KYC - page 4. (Read 876 times)
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Nowadays, almost casino will ask you to do KYC to prevent something illegal in their business. But I think some casino have limitation for their members for not doing KYC. Let say casino have limitation not to break $2,000 for depositing or withdrawing so you must not break that limit not to do KYC. But that will depends on if the casino modify their rules which they can do that easily and that is already happens. You are playing gambling in one or two casinos so that means, you must find out about KYC on that casino and know their rules. The limitation from casino helps small gamblers to keep playing gambling without doing KYC but in the future, that can be changed following the regulations from the government.
Are there really no KYC casinos? Or do people confuse casinos that don't make KYC mandatory upon sign as non KYC when in fact when you read their Terms of service, there is a section that mentions that they can randomly ask for identification if they smell rat? I also think that unless it is stated clearly that non-KYC, don't assume it is. I am not for or against KYC or non-KYC casinos, it is just a curious question that I want to be discussed and get the opinions of others.
Thank you.
Thank you.
In today's gambling world, it is either you stay unpopular and keep your no-kyc policy while running your online casino or swap popularity for the non-KYC which I believe will bring in loads of more income for the casino, gamblers will always gamble anyway, even if all available online casino is KYC compliant will it drive gamblers away? The answer is no, they will have to accept it.
Some casinos will ask for KYC if they smell something off or when you hit big money and you want to withdraw, and this shows that KYC verifications is already in place waiting to be used when necessary, there is still a thing about ToS till date, many gamblers still find it difficult to go through it because it looks like something that will take forever, but still it is far better to expect KYC requirements any time from any online casino.
Any casino that said they can ask for KYC verification document is a KYC casino and not none KYC; anyone regarding it as NONKYC casino is just deceiving himself or herself.
I don't even think if there is any popular NONKYC casino that's active, even the web 3 casinos that come out with being non-kyc; most of them are already demanding KYC when necessary.
This is an important clarification and it is good that this topic has appeared. Indeed, there is a lot of confusion in the KYC situation. There are many sly casinos that position themselves as "Web3" or "casinos without KYC", but in fact, this is to one degree or another deceiving users. I would say that casinos should stop deceiving users and stop positioning themselves as "casinos without KYC", because they are not. Most likely, they need to position themselves as "casinos with a soft KYC policy".I don't even think if there is any popular NONKYC casino that's active, even the web 3 casinos that come out with being non-kyc; most of them are already demanding KYC when necessary.
Only completely unregulated organizations can be such and it is possible that they are scammers.
It is funny that today there is even an exchange whose name contains the magic phrase "Non-KYC", but at the same time the exchange asks you to go through this procedure when you want to create sub-accounts.
If you do a quick Google search, you will see that there are dozens, maybe hundreds of results for casinos without KYC on the first pages of the search.
I opened some websites and, as you said, I checked the terms of use... in fact, there are no casinos without KYC.
Even if they are located in a very permissive country or with more lenient legislation, it is impossible for them not to be bound by compliance with some requirements, mainly the one against money laundering, so at some point they will all need to ask you for at least one identification document.
But casinos that do not need to do this will eventually ask you for some document just to make the withdrawal process more bureaucratic.
There is no casino without KYC nowadays.
That's true; I actually stumbled upon a website claiming to list KYC-free casinos, but in fact, all of those that I opened mentioned the KYC requirements in their TOS; some of them were quite known as well, such as BC.Game or BetPanda. I believe some blogs create the misconception that KYC-free casinos exist in order to attract more people to their website, which is basically providing false information. Although I'm positive that such casinos exist, you should weigh the fact that it's unlikely that they are licensed and regulated, meaning they could go extinct the very next day. I opened some websites and, as you said, I checked the terms of use... in fact, there are no casinos without KYC.
Even if they are located in a very permissive country or with more lenient legislation, it is impossible for them not to be bound by compliance with some requirements, mainly the one against money laundering, so at some point they will all need to ask you for at least one identification document.
But casinos that do not need to do this will eventually ask you for some document just to make the withdrawal process more bureaucratic.
There is no casino without KYC nowadays.
Most casinos ask for KYC in order for the gambler to deposit and withdraw.
When I registered on Stake, I was requested for KYC before I was able to deposit. But this is not common on most gambling sites. You will see many gamblers complaining that they have been losing after they registered and started gambling on an gambling site, but after they won some money and wanted to withdraw the money, that the gambling site asked them for verification. I do not know if this has changed on some gambling sites but it is very common that the gambling site will not ask for KYC during registration but if the gambler wants to withdraw, the gambling site will make it mandatory for the gambler to get verified. 
Thats a perfect disguise in my opinion. Non kyc but in the event you won a huge pot for any games. Like example $20k or more they will now emphasize on the need of KYC to claim prize or prove you arent suspicious player etc.
The time of non kyc is over. Well some still uses the marketing free kyc and this is just a front marketing for you to use. But always take note in the end youll do it anyway.
The time of non kyc is over. Well some still uses the marketing free kyc and this is just a front marketing for you to use. But always take note in the end youll do it anyway.
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Non-KYC initially, more KYC when you win and try to withdraw. 
That's the normal gig.
That's the normal gig. Yes, that is the norm. There are also those that although they put an amount that supposedly triggers kyc in the ToS, they turn a blind eye to amounts above it. I guess the ToS is to cover themselves against anti-money laundering accusations. But as you say, it's normal that they don't ask you for documents until you've earned too much and want to withdraw it.
there is a section that mentions that they can randomly ask for identification if they smell rat? I also think that unless it is stated clearly that non-KYC, don't assume it is. I am not for or against KYC or non-KYC casinos, it is just a curious question that I want to be discussed and get the opinions of others.
Thank you.
Thank you.
If an online casino doesn't require KYC, then it's the right thing to do not to assume thet don't really require it. I bet, most experienced gamblers already knew it, especially for those who have high bank rolls. Not only that they surprisingly require it if they detect something unusual to your account, but they normally do it when you have huge winnings.
Beginners may get confused with it.
Most casinos nowadays requires KYC as governments are constantly regulating them.
Non-KYC initially, more KYC when you win and try to withdraw. That's the normal gig.
A reputable online casino must implement the KYC rule when a gambler hits the taxation amount. They may let the small-time gamblers pass through without KYC yet but it's an accumulating process.
They will need that information if they want their business to keep on running because you will never know when something goes wrong. A gambler may suddenly lose his account and use it for money laundering so at least the real account owner could be contacted and prove the transaction. Sure, authenticators are very helpful but in this era, hackers and scammers are also getting wiser.
That's the normal gig. A reputable online casino must implement the KYC rule when a gambler hits the taxation amount. They may let the small-time gamblers pass through without KYC yet but it's an accumulating process.
They will need that information if they want their business to keep on running because you will never know when something goes wrong. A gambler may suddenly lose his account and use it for money laundering so at least the real account owner could be contacted and prove the transaction. Sure, authenticators are very helpful but in this era, hackers and scammers are also getting wiser.
Are there really no KYC casinos? Or do people confuse casinos that don't make KYC mandatory upon sign as non KYC when in fact when you read their Terms of service, there is a section that mentions that they can randomly ask for identification if they smell rat? I also think that unless it is stated clearly that non-KYC, don't assume it is. I am not for or against KYC or non-KYC casinos, it is just a curious question that I want to be discussed and get the opinions of others.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Gone are the days where we only our bitcoin address for withdrawal, regardless of how big the amount to withdraw. And we all know that gambling is one of the first use case of Bitcoin itself. And so when there are regulations by different world bodies, specially for AML, they will at some point in time will have to ask for personal identification.
So I would say that majority, specially new casinos that have been popping out like mushroom to ask for mandatory KYC. It's either gamblers accept that fact or just play in landbase casinos.
I don't even think if there is any popular NONKYC casino that's active, even the web 3 casinos that come out with being non-kyc; most of them are already demanding KYC when necessary.
Most casinos ask for KYC in order for the gambler to deposit and withdraw. It would be really good if there was a fully non KYC casino but I am guessing that most casinos even if they use crypto still require KYC due to regulatory requirements. Not to mention that this is also their way of avoiding any fraudulent activities from the gambler’s end. Without KYC also they won’t be able to verify if this person is of legal age and has enough money to gamble. I have seen some casinos where source of income is needed.
Though in the future I would hope to see a casino that would not need KYC upon registration and withdrawal.
Are there really no KYC casinos? Or do people confuse casinos that don't make KYC mandatory upon sign as non KYC when in fact when you read their Terms of service, there is a section that mentions that they can randomly ask for identification if they smell rat? I also think that unless it is stated clearly that non-KYC, don't assume it is. I am not for or against KYC or non-KYC casinos, it is just a curious question that I want to be discussed and get the opinions of others.
Thank you.
to be honest with you mate that is the thing that makes me feel unsafe when it come providing KYC when gambling .especially if I'm looking for a new very promising casino because you have feeling that what if they took your personal information then use it to scam other people.? That's very unfair in my opinion that is why i always overthink when providing Kyc. so i wish there are some legitimate casino's that don't require such stuff for our data privacy coz we have rights not to share it for protection and to make sure our information is safe from those scammer . Thank you.
Actually there are casinos that really do not require KYC but I personally never care about all that because so far the casinos I use do have their own terms and conditions for KYC if needed, as gambler shouldn't have to worry too much about KYC because the most important thing is that the place can guarantee security, comfort and also give us certain benefits when using it.
Moreover, there are also many casinos that state that they are non-KYC in any form but in the end in certain conditions it turns out to ask for KYC for requirement in large withdrawal, this is always my consideration and it is better to choose those who clearly enforce KYC than to feel cheated when KYC is requested one day.
Moreover, there are also many casinos that state that they are non-KYC in any form but in the end in certain conditions it turns out to ask for KYC for requirement in large withdrawal, this is always my consideration and it is better to choose those who clearly enforce KYC than to feel cheated when KYC is requested one day.
Are there really no KYC casinos? Or do people confuse casinos that don't make KYC mandatory upon sign as non KYC when in fact when you read their Terms of service, there is a section that mentions that they can randomly ask for identification if they smell rat? I also think that unless it is stated clearly that non-KYC, don't assume it is. I am not for or against KYC or non-KYC casinos, it is just a curious question that I want to be discussed and get the opinions of others.
Thank you.
Thank you.
If you do a quick Google search, you will see that there are dozens, maybe hundreds of results for casinos without KYC on the first pages of the search.
I opened some websites and, as you said, I checked the terms of use... in fact, there are no casinos without KYC.
Even if they are located in a very permissive country or with more lenient legislation, it is impossible for them not to be bound by compliance with some requirements, mainly the one against money laundering, so at some point they will all need to ask you for at least one identification document.
But casinos that do not need to do this will eventually ask you for some document just to make the withdrawal process more bureaucratic.
There is no casino without KYC nowadays.
Many casinos are often labeled as non-KYC, but in reality, it's more about the timing. Some sites won’t ask for verification up front, but they reserve the right to do so if they detect anything suspicious or if certain transaction thresholds are met. It’s like they keep it on standby, just in case. This setup probably gives a sense of freedom for casual players, but regular or high-stakes players may end up going through KYC checks anyway.
What they does is that they don't request for kyc on little amount but when the winning seems to be mind-blowing then it triggers them to request for additional very and information to prove source of funds, which I think it's very annoying for a casino to say no kyc and then later to request for kyc. The fact is that there may be some hidden terms to apply when they say no kyc, that's why is important to always note the terms apply "when they says such". But just have to be prepared because most at times they can be very funny.
I remember what Freebito.in's TheQuin mentioned about KYC. It doesn't actually matter whether a casino does or doesn't have KYC provisions in its terms and conditions, they will ask for personal information whenever they need to. I guess a duly registered casino cannot entirely discount KYC regardless of their claims. After all, they're bound to follow regulations. Their license is at stake.
Are there really no KYC casinos? Or do people confuse casinos that don't make KYC mandatory upon sign as non KYC when in fact when you read their Terms of service, there is a section that mentions that they can randomly ask for identification if they smell rat? I also think that unless it is stated clearly that non-KYC, don't assume it is. I am not for or against KYC or non-KYC casinos, it is just a curious question that I want to be discussed and get the opinions of others.
Thank you.
Gamdom.com is one of the few casinos that have never mentioned KYC to me. They have a verification page, but I have never seen anyone complain they got asked for proof of funds, proof of address, proof of anything. Not saying they will never KYC anyone but for now I don't think they do. Thank you.
There may or may not be anymore casinos out there that don't ask for KYC, but off the top of my head I cannot think of any. Most that do ask for KYC do not ask upon signing up.
Each casino certainly has its own TOS, but most casinos will ask for KYC verification if you indicate fraud on our account, and large withdrawals, and for KYC and non-KYC casinos there is no need to debate if you play honestly your account will be safe, no need to worry.
With off-chain casinos, it's impossible to find one that doesn't make use of KYC. Most casinos already transitioned to some form of KYC and those who haven't will make the switch at some point.
Others who continue to view certain casinos as non KYC probably overlooked that common KYC part from the casino's t&c.
Maybe those who mentioned it could be pre-existing casino users, I could imagine them taking it lightly since they got away with no KYC after signing up.
Others who continue to view certain casinos as non KYC probably overlooked that common KYC part from the casino's t&c.
Maybe those who mentioned it could be pre-existing casino users, I could imagine them taking it lightly since they got away with no KYC after signing up.
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