Topic: Some unusual behavior with merits. (Read 525 times)

Guys guys, I'm sorry but I never meant to 'accuse' anybody here. It can be called my mistake that I didn't PM them and that it's seriously none of my business where do they spend their merits. I simply used the user as an example as I was too confused about unusual activity with merits distribution, so just out of curiosity I created this thread. Again, I'm not accusing anyone of anything, so if anybody and especially Sceptical Chymist, if you felt offended, I'm sorry about that.

Locking this thread to stop further discussion on this.

My question in response to your current comment is, why do you seem so eager to create conflict between fellow Indonesian users instead of supporting them to keep growing like most of your local users do for you?

All user are constantly trying to grow and reach new chapters in their lives, spending a lot of time learning, putting in as much effort as possible to improve and succeed. Then what made you hate each other so much instead of supporting them? Am I doing you a disservice because I helped another local Indonesian user with merit and brought him closer to his ranking?

I'm not that hypocritical, the reason is so clear now that it turns out that when your local board users help you grow and thrive, you backfire on them. I can confirm that all of the users above are posters who at least post on local Indonesian boards, but due to the diversity of languages ​​that Indonesia has, you can't expect them to be the same.

I'm not sure what other people are saying, but maybe it's a form of dissatisfaction expressed when an Indonesian user or two accused or something. Joining the same campaign with more than one account is not allowed, and is only eligible for negative tag. But support someone to get their rank is not problem. You must understand exactly what the problem is before responding with bias.

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Now I'm really asking if the 50 merit that I sent to imamusma in 10 transactions was wrong, but try to understand what I said when I helped him while ago.


Also I want the OP to be held responsible after the accusations he leveled against me and some other local users of our board. OP should delete or lock the thread and clear things up. Things get worse when one or two other users start creating conflicts for their own satisfaction. I hope the OP can solve this as soon as possible.

Anyway it's already 3 days after I asking a question to the @OP and I see he's active in this forum, so what's the point we need to look of this unusual merit circulation and those users dragged to this thread?



If I understood correctly it's mean they're all came from Indonesia and your assumptions they're farming signature campaign, well it's allowed for 1 user to join 1 campaign, but there's 2 users join in the same campaign, which mean they're deserve for negative feedback.

I feel what you think, with only ordinary knowledge those user gain merit with you think connected from each others. Yes, I know them except Chymist, all the member from Indonesia with only have ordinary knowledge but capable to stringing words, prolong, with want just say 1 point they can create long sentese, i presume nothing to special except farming signature campaign.

I'm not sure those all from Indonesia, because their style is different when talk in Indonesia. they can create paragraphs without content.

True. I believe that post was the needed turning point for the accused, imamusma. OP should've researched deeper before publishing whatever they thought was wrong. That way, I believe they would've also reviewed imamusma's post history. From what I observed, imamusma isn't a bad poster. It was just that luck didn't find them on time to enable them rank up until that post happened.

It couldn't have been said any better chief. If I had seen it too maybe I would have thought something fishy was going on but the comments so far have really been elaborative. We keep learning everyday, maybe the OP didn't know about this before now and so did I.

Give a fast review to those merited posts, and if you find that more than 50% of them do not deserve merits, it is better to PM merit source.
Personally, I think you would have a logical point if this assumption is correct.
In general, although it is difficult to check the quality of posts within a few seconds, I personally open several windows, check them and then send merits at once. My browser window contains dozens of sessions.

@2double0, before you create this accussations thread, I think you really need to review how the quality of the user's posts you're accusing are ^{[especially their merit-generating posts].} The quality isn't bad and while I don't get posts like that often, but it's deserved. But I guess you've realized what the reason is after some users have told you. After that, I think this thread has become useless and maybe you should clean up the username and screenshot so as not to harm anyone in the future.

I just think that we shouldn't try to damage the reputation of other users without valid proof. I've learned from some previous mistakes about this so I really need to be careful before starting anything when it comes to sensitive matters like user reputation.

I don't know too where to start from, but I thank everyone who has been willing to explain to you.

I don't need to explain anything to you about how my preference is to merited anyone and at any rank. Some people have explained to you what made me spend so much merit for the user you suspect, so I guess I don't need to go into more detail because that's all have represents what I want to explain to you.

I was just wondering why you don't PM me and ask about this instead of just creating a thread to get people's attention if you don't want to be hard on anyone. I don't think your attitude represents what you're talking about. But it doesn't matter, maybe I just need to learn a lot from you so I'm not too confident that what I've been doing so far is always right in the eyes of other users.

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Anyway, I might need to PM The Skeptical Chymist as I think I have another month left unreviewed.

The merit system functions incredibly well when there are plenty of merits floating around because it isn't like Bitcoin and it's clearly stated on your merit page that holding it doesn't increase the value of your account. We complain when Merit Source hoards merits, and we also complain when they make it rain. The forum is a funny place. Hahahah.

If you had been the receiver, would you have complained? I doubt. .

Please if you have some merits to throw away, the Nigeria board Is in need of it 

Nothing suspicious here, member imamusma wrote a thread with a human story and it was used to increase bitcoin adoption in the local community, usually stories of this kind impress most members and they start giving merits. This is a very normal behavior that has happened many times.

Another thing I've noticed is when a prominent member of a forum gives merits to a topic it encourages the rest of the members to give the merits too and the thread starts receiving more merits from more members.

You shouldn't call Meriting posts "unusual" without checking the actual posts. As long as the posts deserve it, there's nothing wrong with it.

Unlikely. He sent less than half the Merit he received.

I do it too, and I always remember this post (taken slightly out of context here):
The Merit system was created to stop shitposters from ranking up. It shouldn't restrict normal users.

It's this post:

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@OP: as a Merit source, I guess I have a slightly different perspective on Merit than most users. Source sMerit feels like a "burden", and no matter how hard I try to get rid of them, they keep coming back! I'm now at 81 source sMerit remaining, and I think that's less than the average I've had for the past 6 months. There's also a couple thousand of "my own" (earned) sMerit on top of that.

In my opinion, there is always personal motive behind thread being created regardless of the initial reason stated. I don't wonder why someone would suspect other users especially since every user has free speech, but opening up a court table for something that can be resolved in PM I don't think is necessary.

2double0, it's okay to spend sMerit on posts you think are quality regardless of whether your intention is to help that user's ranking or just merited their thoughts. I don't think there's anything wrong here, and maybe you should just close the thread and forget about it. Also The Skeptical Chymist is a very generous merit source over the years, he has thread about his service where some users can ask him to review posts and in the past he has done that for me too.

You can probably find reason why one of them did so I guess it's perfectly fine as long as the merit they spend on quality posts even if it's subjective from one user to another.

To be honest, I don't see the point in creating a thread like this. If it were up to you, what fate do you wish for the users whose names can be seen in your OP and the ones that got mentioned along the way? Would you be happy if they got banned, received negative trust, or if theymos reverted the merit transactions? Do you want the merit sources to lose their positions? Were you cheated somehow? Treated unfairly?

There is one rule about sending merits: there are no rules!
The only one we have is that merit sources are not allowed to sell their merits. That's where the restrictions begin and end. Everything else is subjective and my good/bad nature. 

It's more of if he has questions, he should 1st pm the users and ask them. If he is unsatisfied with the responses, make thread. Shoot 1st ask questions later, the wild wild west we call bitcointalk.

Can you give me a reason why you create this thread? if you're only curious why these members did that, above users already explain it.

But if you're trying to accuse them and hope they will get negative trust because of merit abuse, well you need to exclude The Sceptical Chymist because he's completely different among the other 5 users. You can search about their connections about social medias, address, etc. If you can prove it, they might deserve for negative trust because two among them joined in the same campaign.

Afaik nope, just found this post history which then indah showered him many merits and someone else about a hour later. I think it's his biggest monthly merit expense and yes it's a bit unusual than the previous months. But there's nothing wrong with assuming that she was in a good mood or celebrating a special day. No big deal.

my 2 cents.

By posting this regarding the interval of giving or receiving merits means (or i assumed) that you never experienced it before. Usually merit sources or not merit sources do this. Go to user profile post history then check good posts and hit that merit button bam bam bam. I even do the same, the difference i only give 1 or 2 merit with same interval.

Yeah, those merits were sent because of his application to my post review thread.

Anyway, apparently nothing wrong both with the user and the merit sources dropping the merits, as far as I understand.

imamusma seems to be making decent posts.  I don't see anything wrong with the merit distribution, or the source of imamusma's earned merits.  Although I was surprised to see TSC giving merits away in the gambling section's sports talk threads.  I didn't take him for the type.

What concerns me more is the behavior from May of 2021 when the user changed his password twice within two days, and his English got much better.  But even that isn't really a big deal to me, since the account has no trust feedback and wasn't very active before that.


You sent 20 merits to this account back in September/October of this past year, the largest tranche was for 3 merits: https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=imamusma&from=fillippone

Still a nothing burger, in my opinion.

My bad 
I mentioned you as an example besides The Sceptical Chymist because I saw your name while scrolling down on those huge images that seem to not end and I didn't realize that it was the name of the topic in which merits were sent not the sender:


So, can I have my one free summoning ticket back?   

Nothing out of the ordinary here. It would have been suspicious of the accounts were sending merits to each other, or the beneficiary of the merit thread was sending his smerits to his alts. From what I can see there is no foul play here. I guess it’s been long you visited meta, it’s no secret that The Sceptical Chymist has an open review offer for members with ranks below legendary, and lots of members flood his dm asking for reviews. I believe he gives about 50 merits per user a month.

Funny thing I was summoned in this thread, when I never merited such a user. Not that I should say anything in my defence if it were a different scenario.

I see nothing wrong here

This is the main point.

There's nothing unusual about this. Certain times when members or merit sources notice that one is about to rank up, they try to revisit your past posts to send you merits in a quick succession and give one a small push toward the merit amount required to rank up. It has ever happened to me too before, so this shouldn't be a big deal.

Maybe you have never experienced it before, that's why you think it's unusual behaviour.

I do the same sometimes.

For exemple when I see a person who is just a few merits away to rank up
When I see a person deseves more merits than what he receives.

Just a few seconds between, because we open multiple tabs and send merits in batch. To save a few minutes.
Or use Imacros, for the people lazy, like me...

Theymos told us something like: if we have too much merits, throw them away.
Mean to sent merits again, or more users to merits. Something to end up with zero merits left

I've not pointed out The Sceptical Chymist specifically for account farming and have definitely not come here to throw any such accusations on anybody, I just watched this on many profiles so I thought to ask.

Btw, is indah rezqi a merit source too?

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My bad, I didn't see that. 🙈

1.) It might be a good idea to reduce the size these images as they seem to be bigger than necessary for the content they display.

2.) In my opinion, it would be more fitting to move this topic to the Reputation section.

3.) Regarding the merits, on January 6th, a member imamusma made a post in this topic. This prompted some other members to review his post history and help him in reaching his next rank. There is nothing unusual about this.

Don't and you could have not mentioned the account farming here at all when we're talking about old users and merit sources, and you obviously know it's not the case, is The Sceptical Chymist or fillippone or our beloved AI growing any kind of accounts here?
They are merit sources, they find a good post by someone, they realize this guy deserves more merit, they go through his history and spend a bunch of merits. Nothing special.

Firstly, I'd like to share some images below and then I'll begin.

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Profile of the user: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/imamusma-768660

Well, I don't know where to start from or even which place is the best to put this thread into (please move it to the appropriate area if this is not a Meta stuff). Actually, I saw some users giving merits to some posts of this member in a matter of seconds or minutes, with each user doing the same thing but with a good interval in between (in terms of dates). I don't know what brought this to my attention, but there are many users here on the forum who got merits unusually. I can bring many examples (like we saw some account farming busted in the past years).

I have no hard feelings against anybody, be it the merit gainer or the giver. I'm curious to understand what made these people give him so many merits in a row (highest was I think 50 merits spread and given by indah rezqi and The Sceptical Chymist each).