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legendary
Activity: 2100
Merit: 1000
If you want to trade this market you should know that 1. Mt.Gox is allowing this kind of act, because anyone can see it happening. Because of this no one cares, in the long run I don't think this is good. But this is the rule of the game today. 2. If you don't understand or have not that much experience trading than I would say that Bitcoins exchanged/traded at Mt.Gox right now is a massive hustle for the majority of people out there. 3. I know the game, and I also know that Mt.Gox rates is manipulated, knowing this all trades that I make are at my own risk.

Exactly, so what's the problem?

I mean, if you are just trying to inform people to save them from "The Manipulator", awesome. But don't you think that's been done already in the other threads?

If so many people think this way, why does MtGox have more volume than all the other exchanges combined? You would think people would leave in flocks to avoid being sheared.

Talking about volume, forgot about that. I have just started to trade this market. My conclusion is that most volume is from the bots (beside the volume from the manipulator). Because Mt.Gox is taking at least 0,25 % in fees per trade on each side, that means that the only one that can have active bots is Mt.Gox them self. So the big picture. Most volume are from Mt.Gox, the real volume should be at a much lower level. Money is going back and forward by two groups: Mt.Gox own bots and "the manipulator". Together maybe they have 80-90 % of the volume.

If this is really the case that the big majority of the volume is from this two parts, then Bitcoin shouldn't be trading at 5.70 dollars. More like 2-3 dollars.

If MtGox is trading on its own exchange this is insider trading and should be stopped.
we should clarify this with the owner Mark kapeles.
legendary
Activity: 1692
Merit: 1018
Just a thought... if this 'manipulator' is so predictable that after the event many people comment 'of course he did that' and 'I knew that would happen', why not take advantage of this apparently predictable behaviour to make some quick profits?
legendary
Activity: 2408
Merit: 1009
Legen -wait for it- dary
All this time you spend to make your lunch money could earn you a real salary if you sold trinkets on eBay.


If I ate that many $ in food, I'd be HUGE!
I make just as much trading BTC for a few hours after work, as I do in wages!
Doubling my income is well worth my time!
hero member
Activity: 574
Merit: 513
This doesn't seem liek an issue.  Perhaps a useful move would be for someone to put up a 'fuck you' I'm buying 30,000 bitcoins at us$6 (or whatever the price is) and buy them and then the person playing around would be left with us$ and without their bitcoins?   Even more useful would be if someone who were to invest hundreds of thousands of dollars were to take advantage of this opportunity to REALLY say 'fuck you' by writing a bot to wait for those orders to exist and then buy them up at such a great value. 
full member
Activity: 210
Merit: 100
All this time you spend to make your lunch money could earn you a real salary if you sold trinkets on eBay.

I sell trinkets on eBay and buyers only want the item if it's basically free and a lot do "friendly fraud" to get it free.  eBay shut down their livechat, never reads email (even states this in the emails), won't answer the phone, and basically is completely uncontactable by anyone so it's horrible.
full member
Activity: 196
Merit: 100
All this time you spend to make your lunch money could earn you a real salary if you sold trinkets on eBay.

Easy and SAFE way to profit:

1.)  Consistently monitor market price at whatever exchange you are on and at mt. gox.
2.)  Go all in at somewhere between 50 cents to $1 under current price.
3.)  Place these bids at psychological barriers + a couple cents (e.g. $5.02, $5.52, $6.02, etc.)
4.)  Wait for someone to dump.
5.)  Watch it pump.
6.)  Now you dump  Grin

Never failed me once.

THIS^^

Been doing this for weeks!
Though, the disappearance of those two $.40 ranges a few hours back kinda caught me off guard!



You know that low of 5.11 today on tradehill?

That was me   Cheesy
I was talking about the two on Gox! Went from 5.25ish to 5.60, then again 5min later from 5.40ish to 5.80, or there abouts!

full member
Activity: 210
Merit: 100
When I set a sell order at an amount, it's been around for a while, and then I see a big buy order surpass me by 10 cents and MtGox decides not to have the buy order go to any of the coins I'm selling, I know Gox is doing the manipulation.
legendary
Activity: 1834
Merit: 1020
Guys,

 I have a simple question:

 1- How to stabilize the price of goods and services ONLY in Bitcoins?!

 I mean, I want to forget about trading and the fucking price of Bitcoins in Dollars, Euros, Reais, etc...

 Or, when the reverse will be a reality? I mean, when the dollar that will have its price in Bitcoins?

Thanks!
Thiago

It's dependent on how easily you can live your life with only Bitcoins, and how easily merchants/service providers can live using only Bitcoins.

You need to be able to rent/buy a home with BTC.  You need to make your car payments in BTC.  You need to pay for water, gas, electricity, etc. with BTC.  When you call your plumber, you need to pay him in BTC.  Etc., etc., etc.

And, merchants/service providers need to have enough people paying for their goods/services in BTC.

We're not even close for this to be a reality.  Fiat dominates, plain and simple.  Only when BTC rivals fiat (numerically, not theoretically) will you be able to truly price in BTC without pegging it to fiat.

But, any merchant/service provider is welcome to go ahead and try!!
hero member
Activity: 482
Merit: 502
ThiagoCMC, I have been thinking about this since last week. The price will not be based on $ if sellers of products and services are able to directly spend earned bitcoins for they needs (pay electricity, rent for their office, internet/phone bills... in bitcoins). It's a kind of magic circle (It cannot be closed until it's closed Cheesy) But we are going offtopic with this...
legendary
Activity: 1204
Merit: 1000
฿itcoin: Currency of Resistance!
Guys,

 I have a simple question:

 1- How to stabilize the price of goods and services ONLY in Bitcoins?!

 I mean, I want to forget about trading and the fucking price of Bitcoins in Dollars, Euros, Reais, etc...

 Or, when the reverse will be a reality? I mean, when the dollar that will have its price in Bitcoins?

Thanks!
Thiago
legendary
Activity: 2408
Merit: 1009
Legen -wait for it- dary
Easy and SAFE way to profit:

1.)  Consistently monitor market price at whatever exchange you are on and at mt. gox.
2.)  Go all in at somewhere between 50 cents to $1 under current price.
3.)  Place these bids at psychological barriers + a couple cents (e.g. $5.02, $5.52, $6.02, etc.)
4.)  Wait for someone to dump.
5.)  Watch it pump.
6.)  Now you dump  Grin

Never failed me once.

THIS^^

Been doing this for weeks!
Though, the disappearance of those two $.40 ranges a few hours back kinda caught me off guard!



You know that low of 5.11 today on tradehill?

That was me   Cheesy
I was talking about the two on Gox! Went from 5.25ish to 5.60, then again 5min later from 5.40ish to 5.80, or there abouts!
legendary
Activity: 1834
Merit: 1020
Easy and SAFE way to profit:

1.)  Consistently monitor market price at whatever exchange you are on and at mt. gox.
2.)  Go all in at somewhere between 50 cents to $1 under current price.
3.)  Place these bids at psychological barriers + a couple cents (e.g. $5.02, $5.52, $6.02, etc.)
4.)  Wait for someone to dump.
5.)  Watch it pump.
6.)  Now you dump  Grin

Never failed me once.

THIS^^

Been doing this for weeks!
Though, the disappearance of those two $.40 ranges a few hours back kinda caught me off guard!



You know that low of 5.11 today on tradehill?

That was me   Cheesy
full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 100
If you want to trade this market you should know that 1. Mt.Gox is allowing this kind of act, because anyone can see it happening. Because of this no one cares, in the long run I don't think this is good. But this is the rule of the game today. 2. If you don't understand or have not that much experience trading than I would say that Bitcoins exchanged/traded at Mt.Gox right now is a massive hustle for the majority of people out there. 3. I know the game, and I also know that Mt.Gox rates is manipulated, knowing this all trades that I make are at my own risk.

Exactly, so what's the problem?

I mean, if you are just trying to inform people to save them from "The Manipulator", awesome. But don't you think that's been done already in the other threads?

If so many people think this way, why does MtGox have more volume than all the other exchanges combined? You would think people would leave in flocks to avoid being sheared.

Talking about volume, forgot about that. I have just started to trade this market. My conclusion is that most volume is from the bots (beside the volume from the manipulator). Because Mt.Gox is taking at least 0,25 % in fees per trade on each side, that means that the only one that can have active bots is Mt.Gox them self. So the big picture. Most volume are from Mt.Gox, the real volume should be at a much lower level. Money is going back and forward by two groups: Mt.Gox own bots and "the manipulator". Together maybe they have 80-90 % of the volume.

If this is really the case that the big majority of the volume is from this two parts, then Bitcoin shouldn't be trading at 5.70 dollars. More like 2-3 dollars.
legendary
Activity: 2408
Merit: 1009
Legen -wait for it- dary
Easy and SAFE way to profit:

1.)  Consistently monitor market price at whatever exchange you are on and at mt. gox.
2.)  Go all in at somewhere between 50 cents to $1 under current price.
3.)  Place these bids at psychological barriers + a couple cents (e.g. $5.02, $5.52, $6.02, etc.)
4.)  Wait for someone to dump.
5.)  Watch it pump.
6.)  Now you dump  Grin

Never failed me once.

THIS^^

Been doing this for weeks!
Though, the disappearance of those two $.40 ranges a few hours back kinda caught me off guard!

hero member
Activity: 994
Merit: 501
PredX - AI-Powered Prediction Market
Indeed, the manipulation is more dangerous than I thought... Specially now that we have bitcoinica...

I bought lots of BTC at 6, and then that 17k BTC wall appeared along with several massive dumps...

quickly BTC went to near 5, and I got a forced liquidation Sad
legendary
Activity: 840
Merit: 1000
Was another thread necessary?

How is it unfair? Were you forced to buy or sell your Bitcoins?

Would you like it if MtGox released personal information about you?

Instead of working up a hissy fit over it, how about you out trade "The Manipulator" and beat him at his own game? 

People do, I do, I'd rather not have to, and I'd rather have a market that isn't manipulated in a way that is illegal in the stock market. Bitcoin needs to be taken seriously in order to grow and be accepted on a much wider scale.
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 1000
bitcoin hundred-aire
Calm down guys, Sibos is tomorrow and we'll be fine in spite of the manipulator.
full member
Activity: 154
Merit: 100
If you want to trade this market you should know that 1. Mt.Gox is allowing this kind of act, because anyone can see it happening. Because of this no one cares, in the long run I don't think this is good. But this is the rule of the game today. 2. If you don't understand or have not that much experience trading than I would say that Bitcoins exchanged/traded at Mt.Gox right now is a massive hustle for the majority of people out there. 3. I know the game, and I also know that Mt.Gox rates is manipulated, knowing this all trades that I make are at my own risk.

Exactly, so what's the problem?

I mean, if you are just trying to inform people to save them from "The Manipulator", awesome. But don't you think that's been done already in the other threads?

If so many people think this way, why does MtGox have more volume than all the other exchanges combined? You would think people would leave in flocks to avoid being sheared.
full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 100
Was another thread necessary?

How is it unfair? Were you forced to buy or sell your Bitcoins?

Would you like it if MtGox released personal information about you?

Instead of working up a hissy fit over it, how about you out trade "The Manipulator" and beat him at his own game?  

If you want to trade this market you should know that 1. Mt.Gox is allowing this kind of act, because anyone can see it happening. Because of this no one cares, in the long run I don't think this is good. But this is the rule of the game today. 2. If you don't understand or have not that much experience trading than I would say that Bitcoins exchanged/traded at Mt.Gox right now is a massive hustle for the majority of people out there. 3. I know the game, and I also know that Mt.Gox rates is manipulated, knowing this all trades that I make are at my own risk.
legendary
Activity: 1834
Merit: 1020
Easy and SAFE way to profit:

1.)  Consistently monitor market price at whatever exchange you are on and at mt. gox.
2.)  Go all in at somewhere between 50 cents to $1 under current price.
3.)  Place these bids at psychological barriers + a couple cents (e.g. $5.02, $5.52, $6.02, etc.)
4.)  Wait for someone to dump.
5.)  Watch it pump.
6.)  Now you dump  Grin

Never failed me once.
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