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January 23, 2024, 01:13:29 PM
#72
A transaction fee of 83 BTC (Bitcoin) is an extraordinarily high amount and raise eyebrow within the cryptocurrency community . Such an exorbitant fee could be the result of a mistake or a technical error, commonly referred to as a "fat-finger error," where the user accidentally inputs an incorrect value..
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November 28, 2023, 09:45:48 AM
#71
New information:

The alleged victim, @83_5BTC, revealed that after transferring 139 BTC to a new cold wallet, the funds were immediately swept to another wallet by the attackers. The transaction split the sum, sending 55.77 BTC to the hackers’ wallet, while the rest, a staggering 83.65 BTC, was paid as a transaction fee. This incident surpasses the previous high-fee record of 19.8 BTC.

Mononaut, the anonymous operator behind the mempool.space bitcoin explorer, weighed in on the incident. He suggested that “the most likely explanation is that the wallet was generated from bad entropy.” In layman’s terms, this means the wallet’s security was compromised due to weak randomization in its creation process. Mononaut’s insight provides a crucial understanding of the technical flaw that may have led to this unfortunate event. source

So apparently, the 83.5 BTC transaction fee was a programming error (albeit a part of a malware that swept the person's wallet, so I don't think anyone will necessarily feel bad for the hacker).

It makes me wonder how can people screw up their code this badly to spend a large amount of bitcoin on fees, though.

It could be that case or maybe the hackers was in a hurry to get it confirmed, and so he doesn't care about how much he will be paying for the fees, it's a huge hack for him and so he needed to clear this one out very fast and get that bitcoin in his own wallet that he has total control. As for the individual that has been hack, yeah, he created his own mnemonic phrase or at least add some (that's one I understand it), unfortunately it was not strong enough as the hackers was able to break it and steal everything from him.
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November 28, 2023, 08:58:25 AM
#70
New information:

The alleged victim, @83_5BTC, revealed that after transferring 139 BTC to a new cold wallet, the funds were immediately swept to another wallet by the attackers. The transaction split the sum, sending 55.77 BTC to the hackers’ wallet, while the rest, a staggering 83.65 BTC, was paid as a transaction fee. This incident surpasses the previous high-fee record of 19.8 BTC.

Mononaut, the anonymous operator behind the mempool.space bitcoin explorer, weighed in on the incident. He suggested that “the most likely explanation is that the wallet was generated from bad entropy.” In layman’s terms, this means the wallet’s security was compromised due to weak randomization in its creation process. Mononaut’s insight provides a crucial understanding of the technical flaw that may have led to this unfortunate event. source

So apparently, the 83.5 BTC transaction fee was a programming error (albeit a part of a malware that swept the person's wallet, so I don't think anyone will necessarily feel bad for the hacker).

It makes me wonder how can people screw up their code this badly to spend a large amount of bitcoin on fees, though.
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November 28, 2023, 07:27:27 AM
#69
If I were the hacker I would send all of the coins to my address and not donate it to the miner who mine the block, sorry I didn't mean to say I'm a bad guy (or maybe yes since I can't prove it), but I feel like why the black hat want to hack the wallet and send the coins if he don't have any intention to steal it.

I probably won't ever understand why there are people who fiddle around with such huge amounts of BTCBTCBTC and likely have infected systems or use some very unsafe or even completely malicious tools to create what they think is a cold wallet.
Because people think when they not get hacked or suffer something bad, they think they've done it properly and think their wallet are safe.
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November 27, 2023, 06:58:58 PM
#68
It seems the owner's cold wallet was rather a hot one when it could be swept by a hacker immediately as the owner claimed. I probably won't ever understand why there are people who fiddle around with such huge amounts of BTCBTCBTC and likely have infected systems or use some very unsafe or even completely malicious tools to create what they think is a cold wallet. This is insane beyond comprehension.

A decent hardware wallet, properly used, could've prevented this (check addresses and transaction details to be signed carefully and solely on the independent display of your hardware wallet; sign a transaction with your hardware wallet only when you have fully checked every detail of it).
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November 27, 2023, 05:02:50 PM
#67
You're right. I've experienced this first hand and it still hurts me till date. Mine was $20 at a time when I felt I had set it at something around $2. I can't be too sure if it was the app that reverted it to that high or me who didn't crosscheck properly. Yes, I used a closed wallet and there wasn't an option of RBF. So, I couldn't do anything once I noticed my error immediately I had triggered the transaction. It's crazy how we get to find out our mistake once we press the trigger. I just had to quietly rue my loss. Anyway, I hope the over 80btc transaction fee was also done in error and hopefully the antpool that processed it will be able to return the excess to the originating wallet.

The sad part is the even if you make such mistake and you immediately notice it, you can’t be able to revert the decision because even the RBF option only allow one to increase the fee I don’t think decreasing the fee will actually work. Probably the the wallet wouldn’t allow it to progress since the RBF is basically just replacing that transaction with a new one with higher fee. So one needs to be careful setting this fees

Also with the information there by hosseinimr93 which indicates that the wallet might be hacked I would suggest Antpool to keep the excess than handing it over to the scammer
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November 27, 2023, 03:31:42 PM
#66
What the hell. Stop buying taint.

I dont, but if you deal with centralized services and try to deposit "tainted" coins you might run into a bunch of issues. Unfortunately, thats the world we live in now.



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Read a few posts before replying in the thread. It has already been confirmed that this was a hack and not a sender error.

Someone claimed that the wallet which the transaction in question was made from had been hacked.


https://twitter.com/83_5BTC/status/1727996658758058120


And here is the message signed from the same address posted by the same twitter account.


https://twitter.com/83_5BTC/status/1728873072349069352
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November 27, 2023, 02:56:17 PM
#65
But from an AML/CFT perspective, you are basically turning "dirty" money into a seemingly legitimate and clean financial transaction (revenue generated from a business activity).
How's a 83 BTC transaction fee considered "dirty"? And why's that and not my 5000 sat fee? What is the difference?

Is it just me or is this taint shit escalating rapidly into everything? Criminal money? Tainted. Mixed with criminal money? Tainted. Mixed in general with other people's money? Tainted. Do the money originate from a non-regulated exchange? Tainted. Suspicion that the transaction fee was to launder money? Tainted.

What the hell. Stop buying taint.
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November 27, 2023, 11:28:45 AM
#64
I heard a few cases like this which is a very costly mistake, I didn't know if this is a newbie or not.
AFAIK, wallets that don't support RBF are those custodial wallets and I found out that the transaction mistakenly put a huge fee doesn't support RBF.
You're right. I've experienced this first hand and it still hurts me till date. Mine was $20 at a time when I felt I had set it at something around $2. I can't be too sure if it was the app that reverted it to that high or me who didn't crosscheck properly. Yes, I used a closed wallet and there wasn't an option of RBF. So, I couldn't do anything once I noticed my error immediately I had triggered the transaction. It's crazy how we get to find out our mistake once we press the trigger. I just had to quietly rue my loss. Anyway, I hope the over 80btc transaction fee was also done in error and hopefully the antpool that processed it will be able to return the excess to the originating wallet.
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November 27, 2023, 10:53:36 AM
#63
-snip-

The transaction was first broadcasted with a fee of 70 bitcoins and then later was replaced with that of 83 bitcoin as fees.

-snip-

Wow! and that's what I call to be in a hurry Cheesy he even RBFed the transaction, just in case it wasn't getting into the next block.

Well, jokes apart, we are seeing many cases like this one in the recent past. I guess that, as more and more actors enter in play, chances for this kind of things to happen also increase. I hope that, if he spent such an awesome capital that easy (or addressed by hackers if that's what eventually happened) is because he has many more Bitcoins, because nobody deserves to be insta-ruined like that.
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November 27, 2023, 10:35:05 AM
#62
Someone claimed that the wallet which the transaction in question was made from had been hacked.
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Yes. Looks like this really was a hack job. 

Someone noticed another interesting detail - the transaction fee taken was precisely 60% of the total transferred.  So it seems some pre-programmed script was just waiting for any incoming deposits to automatically siphon off everything to another wallet.  Sure, the hacker made off with 55 BTC, but because of his stupidity he was left without a potentially much bigger loot.


https://twitter.com/mononautical/status/1729045556662792283
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November 27, 2023, 09:37:52 AM
#61
...And here is the message signed from the same address posted by the same twitter account. ..

We cannot determine exactly who signed the message. It could be both the owner of the wallet and a hacker who hacked the account and, accordingly, has access to this wallet to sign the message. But of course, it is more likely that the wallet was hacked and a high commission was paid in order for the stolen bitcoins to be instantly transferred to the fraudster's wallet.
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November 27, 2023, 09:24:31 AM
#60
Someone claimed that the wallet which the transaction in question was made from had been hacked.


https://twitter.com/83_5BTC/status/1727996658758058120


And here is the message signed from the same address posted by the same twitter account.


https://twitter.com/83_5BTC/status/1728873072349069352
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November 26, 2023, 11:57:25 PM
#59
And here I am trying my bitcoin transfer next day to save 10 cents fee.
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November 26, 2023, 03:52:45 PM
#58
Not the same. Since it was a transaction fee, it is difficult to prove whether there was intent or an accidental error.
Why does that matter? Whether you intentionally or "accidentally" sent a transaction, it is very much considered a payment from a taxman perspective.

Yes, from the taxman's perspective, nothing much changes. But from an AML/CFT perspective, you are basically turning "dirty" money into a seemingly legitimate and clean financial transaction (revenue generated from a business activity).  Of course, its pure speculation that there is indeed some form of money laundering occurring here. It doesnt have to be the case at all.
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November 26, 2023, 03:25:02 PM
#57
As we all know the transaction fee continues to get high as the mempool remains congested for almost a month now due to reoccurring ORDI tokens on the bitcoin blockchain. This has left some people a bit furious and some newbies making costly mistakes of setting high transaction fees.

A transaction that was in block 818087 had actually paid a whopping sum of 83 bitcoins as the transaction fee. I would say this is a costly mistake but for someone having that huge amount of bitcoin in their possession I don’t get it. The transaction was first broadcasted with a fee of 70 bitcoins and then later was replaced with that of 83 bitcoin as fees.

My guess is the sender was probably trying to set is fee as 70 and 83Sats/vbyte and then mistakenly set out that high fee. The block was mined by Antpool, hopefully they would treat it as mistake and return the funds.

1. TXID for the 83 bitcoin fee: b5a2af5845a8d3796308ff9840e567b14cf6bb158ff26c999e6f9a1f5448f9aa

2. The replaced transaction ID: 0c35f3c8a0c38f45629940ee9ab2b1c93d408be113845a735043261ad20f3351

Advice to newbies check properly the amount your setting as fee and make sure you are looking at the right fees estimator, use wallets that allows bumping of fees in case you set a very low one

This is a really huge sum if converted to Naira here in Nigeria trust me and at this current hard time in the country 😭😭 people still have such money to spend on a transaction menhn am weak. Like ehh this one really weak me 83BTC. Ahh it is well ❤️‍🩹❤️‍🩹
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November 26, 2023, 12:04:04 PM
#56
As we all know the transaction fee continues to get high as the mempool remains congested for almost a month now due to reoccurring ORDI tokens on the bitcoin blockchain. This has left some people a bit furious and some newbies making costly mistakes of setting high transaction fees.
What can you do, this is how bitcoin and its network are designed. This must be taken into account when sending transactions.

A transaction that was in block 818087 had actually paid a whopping sum of 83 bitcoins as the transaction fee. I would say this is a costly mistake but for someone having that huge amount of bitcoin in their possession I don’t get it. The transaction was first broadcasted with a fee of 70 bitcoins and then later was replaced with that of 83 bitcoin as fees.
Personally, I don't believe it was a mistake. Now is not the time when you could make a mistake of 83 bitcoins this way. I wouldn’t believe it if this commission was even 8 bitcoins or 0.8 bitcoins.

Unless this person has hundreds of thousands of bitcoins on his balance sheet and for him it’s mere pennies.

My guess is the sender was probably trying to set is fee as 70 and 83Sats/vbyte and then mistakenly set out that high fee. The block was mined by Antpool, hopefully they would treat it as mistake and return the funds.
In this case, the sender had to be blind or make the transaction on the roof of a high-speed train, which is why he was in a hurry.

Antpool has the right not to return anything. A deal is a deal.

Advice to newbies check properly the amount your setting as fee and make sure you are looking at the right fees estimator, use wallets that allows bumping of fees in case you set a very low one
This advice applies to all bitcoin (crypto) users.
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November 26, 2023, 11:39:46 AM
#55
Not the same. Since it was a transaction fee, it is difficult to prove whether there was intent or an accidental error.
Why does that matter? Whether you intentionally or "accidentally" sent a transaction, it is very much considered a payment from a taxman perspective.

What was the chance that ANTpool would be the one to mine the block? Isn't it possible that someone else would mine the block and thus, they would lose this huge sum of money?
Not if that was really intentional as they say. That person could communicate with Antpool and give them their transaction in private, so the rest of the pools couldn't be aware of it. (Even though one can confirm whether that happened or not if they're logging which transactions they enter their mempool)
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November 26, 2023, 11:13:06 AM
#54
It could be money laundering
What was the chance that ANTpool would be the one to mine the block? Isn't it possible that someone else would mine the block and thus, they would lose this huge sum of money?
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November 26, 2023, 10:02:17 AM
#53
It could be money laundering, though I doubt that because on-chain transactions are all public. There are no names attached to Bitcoin addresses, but you can always follow the flow of coins.

If this was deliberate then this obfuscates the history of the coins that turned into transaction fee. Doesn't really sound reasonable to me, too.

To me this looks more like a mistake of someone acting in a rush for whatever reasons because the transaction lacks a change output. And if you either don't understand that transaction inputs are always consumed completely and you don't want to send all of your inputs (minus a reasonable transaction fee) to your output(s), then you always need a change output that returns the excess of your inputs back into your wallet.

This transaction was also the final one of a small chain of CPFP transactions where the two ancestors had a bit too low transaction fee rate (64 and 119 sat/vB where the lowest fee rate of transactions in block 818087 appears to be 129 sat/vB; previous block 818086 had a fee span starting at 112 sat/vB, so 64 sat/vB is clearly way too low to start with if you want a timely confirmation). Someone got nervous or lost his mind while block 818087 took roughly 30 minutes to be mined.

Following transactions of the 55.76998378BTC combine some small amounts and peel of a bunch of 6BTC outputs which are further involved in some transactions, all with mostly optimal transaction fees.

firstly i have to agree with you that money laundering will be absurd because with this high fee it will raise suspicion that will require looking into any associated addresses if it was it the sender will have maybe used even a mixer/tumbler.

now concerning that fee i am suprise now because the 83 bitcoin as fee wasn't the first transaction but the new transaction, the first one actually had a fee of 70 bitcoin which i showed in the thread which was why many people thought it wasn't a mistake. at first the replaced transaction id was displaying on the block explorer but now it is not showing probably because every node has dropped it.
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