Topic: Someone just told me this today... WTF (Read 1818 times)

I don't think karma applies to this situation.. if he were the one who carded the gear and then he got scammed by someone buying it then ya karma yada yada.

He was gullible and fell for a scam... sounds like bitcointalk member but in any case he should have used escrow lol.

too bad he wasn't legit or I would be asking you to hook it up 

leaving pirate and bitcoinmax in the past where they belong

focusing on the future

last bump on the subject

damn he got a hell of a deal

There is no point in claiming "these" numbers are out of thin air. You know where quite a few of them come from. The site itself spread some data and there is plain accounting on two block chain addresses that happens to perfectly match a deposit-withdraw-interest pattern. How exactly is this thin air? You call my reasoning "ridiculous". How so?

State the correct numbers instead of making fuzzy statements on the correctness of mine. Which are wrong, and why? How about publishing some Bitcoinmax accounting data?

Also, "Opposing side" is an interesting choice of words these days. By the way, I know of exactly one (!) person of "the not opposing side" that has apologized. Many of the rest either went silent, got scammer tags, or even banned, though none were punished directly for he case at hand. It seems nobody feels they did anything wrong and people like Hazek, Maged and Vladimir, who tried to prevent this catastrophe, don't even deserve a comment after the fact. They surely got into an unnerving flamewar for months only because it was so much fun.

Let's say it is true and through a sudden change of heart a net 5k personal coins were lost in the end. Not that I have any reason to believe it. So I also shouldn't use the block chain evil thin air numbers. How much was it then that your customers burnt via Bitcoinmax? How much was withdrawn overall by Bitcoinmax? What was the final paper balance? And, again, which of my above statements are wrong, by how much and why should we have ended up with wrong numbers?

just for the sake of replying to ridiculous accusations: in total i lost over 5000 personal coins to pirate. believe whatever you want though, the opposing side does a good job of pulling figures out of thin air.

also anyone that thinks [some event X] is either inherently bad or good has a seriously one-sided view of the world.

ultimately all events are neutral until someone (without all the facts, mind you) decides to make a judgement call, putting their own personal stamp of approval/disapproval on said event.

doesn't change the fact that an event may be good and bad at the same time, or neither.

Thieves always have a reason why they are not the bad guy.   

::votekick BS

Criminals. What can 'ya say.



That said, a certain stance in this thread... is screaming for a comment.

"E&G", also known as payb.tc, operated Bitcoinmax, the largest feeder fund to Pirateat40's BS&T Ponzi scheme. His final block chain balance with the Ponzi appears to be above 83000 BTC at over 159000 deposited and over 75000 withdrawn. His paper account balance on shutdown should have been above 140000 BTC. When BS&T was attacked with serious Ponzi allegations, the user was extremely uncooperative in providing or even confirming data. His posts were deceptive and happy to undermine the credibility of critics like myself. Block chain data appears to show his account being early to withdraw back out of the Ponzi -- before he even started the feeder fund. Later he was able to claim an undisclosed 0.7% additional weekly paper profit on the entire paper balance, again only public through block chain analysis, though the withdrawn amount is unknown.

His real balance appeared to be negative with more than 3800 BTC withdrawn pure profit BEFORE the feeder fund even took off. The lack of data on the feeder fund leaves a window for personal profit far in the five-digits. He is probably the second-most important person to organizing the largest Bitcoin scam in history, and likely to rank the same as profits are concerned.

I would take this person's moral stance with a grain of salt. (This is a euphemism. He is blacklisted to me and anyone who takes my advice.)



And now: posts telling the world how being scammed can be good for your life.


inb4 absurd comparisons to the bet I negotiated.

Prince Wabubi strikes again.

I think people do stuff like this without feeling guilt because of how much the credit card companies and banks rip people off. In the end, they're the ones who will pay for it.

That might just be me though. Still a sad thing to see someone do something like this :/

Hah, this is funny.  The guy that he bought the alienware from scammed him, so now he's out $250.

Karma.  It's a bitch.

And I tried to "educate" him, but sadly he didn't really care.  All he could see is that he was getting a great deal on a laptop.  He didn't understand that someone paid for that.

I'll take it. 

I live in Italy and and I was offered a 2012 MacBook Air for 300€ yesterday. I admit that I really wanted it but I refused.

I agree.  It's very sad to see people with such fuzzy morals that they cannot see how something like this is wrong.

Someone should bring out a credit card where instead of the 3 secret numbers you can instead use a code generated by a yubikey or google auth etc. I think this would be a great invention 

Dude, just keep reading.

are you being off-topic intentionally?

or are you accidentally confusing the law (not mentioned in the OP) with morality (mentioned in the OP)?

nm, read your above post.

I intended "crime" in the malum in se sense.  That it's always wrong to knowingly buy stolen property, and it's illegal (or should be) as a reflection of that fact.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Malum+in+se

Just because they write it off, does not mean it's not a criminal activity.  This is exactly the reason why businesses that accept CC's have to increase their prices buy about 3%, in order to cover the chargeback theft & fraud.  It's just like how shoplifting increases the costs that everyone else pays.

Granted, that's one more reason for Bitcoin uptake, but it's still wrong no matter how you spin it.

also, whether something is a crime or not ALSO has nothing to do with the buyer's morals or lack thereof.

Whether or not the victim is actually better off in the long run or not has nothing to do with the buyer's lack of moral convictions.

Of course, we are talking about a teenager in high school.  My own mores were not very solid at that age either.  But knowingly buying stolen property is still a crime.  Perhaps you should educate your schoolmate, if possible?

As for all this ;;voteban crap.  This is not a democracy.  No one gets kicked because they express an opinion, even if it's obviously bullsh*t.