Topic: Someone posted here about our Project then sabotage us to give him money (Read 494 times)

Let's focus on this part for a start. Why did you create their announcement thread? And why did you later delete it?

There were some screenshots posted of the conversation. I believe you have a copy of the same conversation. Why don't you start with that first. Let us see when part of the conversation is missing. So far it looked liked you were trying to take the advantage and extorting them.

You can try to fool the people in this forum, but not me. I have verification from a couple of sources, including people that know you personally.
You also made the mistake to start with profiles which are connected to you via previous posts with location (maybe next time hide your other posts and reviews which are from the country you live in). Just give up already with this kindergarten. You are losing your own precious time as also ours, which can be used for more productive things. You are not blocked by me, and you know very good I banned you from the communities after you started spreading lies which have nothing to do with the project. If those reviews weren't made by you, they wouldn't repeat the same made up misleading information that you started repeating in our communities when you didn't get paid. I don't know how you have the time and energy to do this, but I recommend you to give up. If you think you deserve payment for whatever reason, share the amount publicly, and it will be sent to you, but be realistic. Also, a friendly reminder: I see you deleted half of your messages in our private chat, but I have screenshots of them, in case you try to make up a new story. Your last messages in our community are literally still there saying "Trust Pilot is the first place to share thoughts about the project right " and "it would be a shame to get bad reviews on Google".

Hello all,
These reports has nothing to do with my profile. I never blackmailed anyone or scammed as it is super transparent from my posts on btctalk.
This person is trying to blame me for posts made by other people. I made the Ann then deleted it that's all, none of the reviews is made by me.
He shared parts of our conversation on discord and blocked me. Blamed me afterwards. He was using my absence here to spread rumors.
I repeat I never blackmailed anyone which you can see from all my posts.

Everything is transparent on our side. Anyone from our community can prove the things he is saying are lies. I even want him to show up and say something new and explain what exactly is his goal, but instead he continues his old plan. Tonight he wrote a misleading bad review on Google and the same moment joined our telegram chat from a fake account to share some fake conversation which doesn't even make sense. The other side is cropped and is simply confusing. A member of our team have no reason to ask for a wallet address. This user is totally new and have no NFT's to sell, so his question is invalid. About the review saying you have to deposit $2000 to earn, I have no comment. This has nothing to do with our mechanics. Our NFT's start mining the utility token from the day they are minted.

https://ibb.co/S6wfdkB

https://ibb.co/SRPmSKq

I yet to read from gondel but it seems there is no forth defence coming from the user or maybe the user is yet to know about the thread. I want to be conservative with my opinion until his side of the story surfaces maybe he has some other information we might not have seen in his own end. But if he fails to show up then it is assumed the user is a troll and manipulative been who go about blackmailing companies and vanishing their reputations. I wait before dropping my opinion.

This is a case of blackmail if not how can someone write against an entity and after a while tell the people you wrote against topsy you a certain amount of money or forcefully placing a demand from them just to stop blackmailing or writing against them. That is abrupt wickedness. I think he should come up with a real talk of what is his difference with your casino for it to be resolved peacefully and amicably instead of going about making articles and post just to sabotage your reputation on this platform and all other places as you have said. I think he is doing this out of frustration from his own end as maybe what he envisaged for did not come out as planned by him hence the blackmail and extortion from your casino.
He just needs to be called to other with disciplinary measures taken against his dubious act.

Thanks for mentioning that, I was about to specify it, but didn't have the time. There is some misunderstanding over my comment.
I meant the whole crypto space in general and how good projects are overlooked, but scam projects are being hyped everywhere.
Not only that, but there are also a bunch of individual scammers in this space. You can barely trust anyone you talk to, doesn't matter if you are a developer or just a user.

How are we going to make the mainstream stop calling crypto as a whole a scam if it's full of scams ?


Also, quick update: The guy keeps writing bad reviews full of lies in different platforms.

https://ibb.co/NZdQtwK

The amount you deposit into our Pigletz NFT's is up to the owner and is not even required, just can activate additional boosters to mine more of our utility Token. Everyone can break the NFT at any point and get what is inside, including the mined tokens. We are not keeping any of it and the project is fully decentralized. Every NFT has its own smart contract and wallet address, to which we have no access. It's just super annoying how he keeps making up stuff we have to explain afterwards. He is obviously mad that a bunch of people won them for free (including his own friend) and he didn't. Our community keeps asking for the next public sale and secondary market is going pretty good. It's just ridiculous how he keeps writing about something he never owned.

What is clear is that this kind of behavior isn't the result of someone learning from this forum about how to make money.

I don't see him being very active here, just leave a trail to this thread wherever this guy sings about your project as an opposition effort and hopefully he'll realize he's being talked about.

If he did spread false accusations on this forum and did direct blackmail, he would probably  up with negative feedback. But since he did it on the external sites (and its not easy to be 100% sure he is behind it), neutral is just fine, and that's exactly what he received from a couple of members (Including me).



Maybe I am wrong, but I think that OP meant crypto space in general and not this forum specifically. He is right though, this space is extremely toxic.

The user action is already closed to extortion since he start posting negative comments and false accusation about the project after he didn’t get the payment that he ask for a volunteer work. This is merely a subjective case because he made the attack on the project after the OP denied the payment for the work that he volunteered without any payment notification for the project.

A neutral feedback from @Bitcoingirl.club and his reason is right. He might done this on many project before.

How do we know the person saying the truth here without any tangible evidence to proof all you're claiming, sometimes you need to clear the air when dealing with someone especially on anything that has to do with project or contract, what terms have you both signed before engaging it, of course he may try to sabotage you when he discovered your business he's helping you advertise has boomed up, but this will also be a lesson to you to always have a statement of contract signed by you both before you entrust him for the advertisement of your services.


Don't conclude your judge on the experience you had with a member, you could have been in thw same shoe if you're a newbie or legendary rank doesn't mean youve got everything it takes with good reputation, and i say it again that you should report him provided that you have life evidence to proof your claim to ascertain it with reference pointing to the whole scenario, if not your tag on such member may be invalid without a reference.

I have a question though- what could be the appropriate sanctions for a person intentionally spreading libelous and unfounded claims against a project? Clearly, there has some sort of damage that OP incurred due to the spread of malicious words/statements that affected the general feedback of his project.

Is there some sort of remedy that OP could have exercised and gained from this experience? Is negatively-tagging the person the only solution that can pacify this situation? I am really curious since I hate for this to happen to anyone who genuinely shares an interesting idea, only to get destroyed by a single person spreading lies about it.

Looks like blackmail to me. The actions that Gondel took were clearly inappropriate, but this may be just how he operates in general. 
We can only hope that he will come over here and explain what occurred from his point of view.

But because you had a negative interaction with one so-called legendary member on this forum, you cannot generalize that the entire community is poisonous. There are hundreds of helping members who can help you without charging anything from you.

You can't say that the whole space is toxic because you had bad experience with one member from bitcointalk forum.
There are a lot of people who are trying to scam people, or they are just trying to earn few sats in any way possible, and when they can get very angry if they don't get what they want.
My suggestion is to always check post history of any member in forum and think well before making some deal with anyone, no matter what his rank is.
I am going to tag member gondel and I hope to see his explanation here.

I've seen this a number of times. It's a type of indirect blackmail where someone is extremely annoying to a business attacking them on forums, leaving negative reviews, acting like a scammed client and doing similar things. He doesn't ask you for money because that would compromise his attempts. He'll continue to be annoying until you offer him money, in which case he'll either threaten to post it as you trying to bribe him and demand more money, or take the offer and walk away.

Good luck with your project OP and don't scam anyone. At the moment, I think gondel is the bad guy here, but the future in your hands.

Quick update with email we just received from a website where he complained about us:

https://ibb.co/m5ZN2zg
https://ibb.co/prh2bJQ

If he finally reads this thread, I would ask him to tell me why he thought I'm from Kazakhstan, next time get your facts straight at least.
So many bold statements in his reviews that I'm pretty sure he is crossing some legal lines at this point.

I am sorry you had such bad experience with a so called Legendary member that at some point you even said the forum is toxic. The users like gondel are shame and huge obstacle for new business who are coming to the forum to build a business relationship with the forum members. There are many users who have good sense of justification and they will not judge you from a deleted ANN thread.

I left a neutral feedback for gondel so that in future he can not harass some other projects and they don't need to come to the community like you with another bad experience.

Yep, just confirms what you said before that he didn't ask for payment before he published the ANN.


I sent him a PM but somehow I doubt that he will come here to share his side of the story as everything is pretty much obvious here.


He is far from a reputable member and I don't think that any altcoin project would benefit from having him as ANN publisher.


In case someone offers you thread bumping (bunch of sock puppet accounts having fake conversations), just say no as on top of being totally ineffective and a waste of money, it can also affect your project reputation.

Thanks everyone that helped and expressed their opinion. I feel like the topic becomes repetitive at this point. If the guy doesn't come and explain why he is out there in all those platforms calling our project a scam and share anything that we don't know, I guess my questions were answered. I'm positively impressed from the helpful community here and will gladly continue following the Forum. I even received more offers for promotions, which are already way more professional and have stated clearly what they offer and how much they expect to be paid for the service. Most of them come with a package with other deals, so at least something good came out of the situtation.