Topic: Sorry Phinnaeus Gage, you are banned from using this forum! Trolling (Read 8605 times)
April 28, 2014, 08:12:20 PM
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April 28, 2014, 04:56:56 PM
This is going a bit off topic here. Now you're discussing what can/is offensive and what isn't. I think that it depends on each individual, and the way it was said. It can, but doesn't have to be offensive.
April 28, 2014, 04:46:13 PM
'Half-breed' is a term used for genetically impure / mongrel dogs (amongst other animals). It's a slur when you apply if to humans and so is 'mongrel'.
Quote from: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/half-breed
half′-breed`
n., adj.
usage: This term is usually used with disparaging intent and perceived as insulting, implying that a person of mixed race is somehow different or inferior. However, half-breed is also used as a neutral descriptive term.
— Usually Disparaging and Offensive. n.
1. (a term used to refer to the offspring of parents of different races, esp. the offspring of an American Indian and a white person of European descent.)
adj.
2. of or pertaining to such offspring.
n., adj.
usage: This term is usually used with disparaging intent and perceived as insulting, implying that a person of mixed race is somehow different or inferior. However, half-breed is also used as a neutral descriptive term.
— Usually Disparaging and Offensive. n.
1. (a term used to refer to the offspring of parents of different races, esp. the offspring of an American Indian and a white person of European descent.)
adj.
2. of or pertaining to such offspring.
Quote from: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/halfbreed
half-breed [haf-breed, hahf-] Often Disparaging and Offensive.
noun
1.
the offspring of parents of different racial origin, especially the offspring of an American Indian and a white person of European heritage.
adjective
2.
of or pertaining to such offspring.
Origin:
1750–60, Americanism
Dictionary.com Unabridged
World English Dictionary
half-breed
— n
1. offensive a person whose parents are of different races, esp the offspring of a White person and an American Indian
— adj
2. of, relating to, or designating offspring of people or animals of different races or breeds
Collins English Dictionary - Complete & Unabridged 10th Edition
noun
1.
the offspring of parents of different racial origin, especially the offspring of an American Indian and a white person of European heritage.
adjective
2.
of or pertaining to such offspring.
Origin:
1750–60, Americanism
Dictionary.com Unabridged
World English Dictionary
half-breed
— n
1. offensive a person whose parents are of different races, esp the offspring of a White person and an American Indian
— adj
2. of, relating to, or designating offspring of people or animals of different races or breeds
Collins English Dictionary - Complete & Unabridged 10th Edition
Quote from: http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/half-breed
half-breed
1 adj
(of animals) having only one purebred parent
2 n
an offensive term for an offspring of parents of different races (especially of Caucasian and American Indian ancestry)
1 adj
(of animals) having only one purebred parent
2 n
an offensive term for an offspring of parents of different races (especially of Caucasian and American Indian ancestry)
It seems neither one of us is entirely correct/incorrect.
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April 28, 2014, 04:02:16 PM
His comments about the "Half breed" baby is a clear example of hate. Breeds describe animals not humans.
I've referred to myself as a "half-breed" and often tell people that I was "born and bred" here in San Antonio; am I racist? (FYI, humans are animals.)
Racism isn't always about hate, as Mike Christ tried to intimate. My mother would never wish ill on anyone but she's a full blown racist, IMO. It sometimes seems like every conversation I have with her includes a comment that starts with, "Oh, you know how white/black/Mexican people are..." She's not white and doesn't consider other races inferior to hers, she will just instinctively put you in a preconceived box based solely on your skin color.
I've met Phinnaeus in person and worked with him on several projects. I believe he is understandably upset by the actions of his niece's boyfriend and wanted to convey the depth of his displeasure by using the most derogatory term he could find. He also tried to make it clear that he was only referring to this one individual, basing his scorn and derision on the personality, not the physical characteristics of the man.
Unfortunately for Phinnaeus, and the rest of us, a few loaded terms are still enough to draw attention away from the issue at hand and give fodder to those trying to convince us that some words and concepts are "bad" no matter how you use them.
Because you are an Adult, you can label or call yourself anything you like and you have done no damage to anyone.
While Labeling the Black man as a N****R was wrong what he said about the baby was even more disturbing. Just shows that anyone any age is fair game in his book.The term didn't sit well with me labeling an innocent baby as a half breed.
PG is the type of person I would save if he were drowning but i would NOT shake his hand Man to Man. Does that make any sense to you?
Thanks for the Viewpoint edd Appreciate it and keep up the good work in the 100 thread
I'm having some difficulty following your reasoning. You're admitting some words cause "damage" in certain contexts but not in others? You indicate that the term "half breed" disturbed you more than the word "nigger", a word you can't even allow yourself to type out in full. Have you ever heard or seen the term half-breed applied to anything other than a human? I don't think I have (unless you count aliens in science fiction movies).
I understand how some people still have a strong emotional response to the n word but I don't think anyone else would have mentioned "half breed". I could be wrong, maybe it's a localized thing and those of us born and bred in the South are the only ones who use the term without meaning to convey any negative connotations.
'Half-breed' is a term used for genetically impure / mongrel dogs (amongst other animals). It's a slur when you apply if to humans and so is 'mongrel'.
April 28, 2014, 03:54:04 PM
His comments about the "Half breed" baby is a clear example of hate. Breeds describe animals not humans.
I've referred to myself as a "half-breed" and often tell people that I was "born and bred" here in San Antonio; am I racist? (FYI, humans are animals.)
Racism isn't always about hate, as Mike Christ tried to intimate. My mother would never wish ill on anyone but she's a full blown racist, IMO. It sometimes seems like every conversation I have with her includes a comment that starts with, "Oh, you know how white/black/Mexican people are..." She's not white and doesn't consider other races inferior to hers, she will just instinctively put you in a preconceived box based solely on your skin color.
I've met Phinnaeus in person and worked with him on several projects. I believe he is understandably upset by the actions of his niece's boyfriend and wanted to convey the depth of his displeasure by using the most derogatory term he could find. He also tried to make it clear that he was only referring to this one individual, basing his scorn and derision on the personality, not the physical characteristics of the man.
Unfortunately for Phinnaeus, and the rest of us, a few loaded terms are still enough to draw attention away from the issue at hand and give fodder to those trying to convince us that some words and concepts are "bad" no matter how you use them.
Because you are an Adult, you can label or call yourself anything you like and you have done no damage to anyone.
While Labeling the Black man as a N****R was wrong what he said about the baby was even more disturbing. Just shows that anyone any age is fair game in his book.The term didn't sit well with me labeling an innocent baby as a half breed.
PG is the type of person I would save if he were drowning but i would NOT shake his hand Man to Man. Does that make any sense to you?
Thanks for the Viewpoint edd Appreciate it and keep up the good work in the 100 thread
I'm having some difficulty following your reasoning. You're admitting some words cause "damage" in certain contexts but not in others? You indicate that the term "half breed" disturbed you more than the word "nigger", a word you can't even allow yourself to type out in full. Have you ever heard or seen the term half-breed applied to anything other than a human? I don't think I have (unless you count aliens in science fiction movies).
I understand how some people still have a strong emotional response to the n word but I don't think anyone else would have mentioned "half breed". I could be wrong, maybe it's a localized thing and those of us born and bred in the South are the only ones who use the term without meaning to convey any negative connotations.
PG is the type of person I would save if he were drowning but i would NOT shake his hand Man to Man. Does that make any sense to you?
Unfortunately, yes, I understand. You're saying Phinnaeus hasn't fallen into the category of people whom you would allow to drown and you consider a handshake between two men to somehow be different than other types of handshakes.
April 28, 2014, 12:31:52 AM
There's an important distinction in that pg wouldn't even hang a black guy he despised. Real racists hang any black person for no reason.
This is critical because he may be offensive but he wouldn't hurt anyone. It's not the same, look at history and how they killed black people for no reason. In that time I'm sure pg would be helping people. He deserves that distinction otherwise he may as well join them if you group him with them.
People forget how bad real racists are. They kill for no reason, in that sense pg is not a racist.
This is critical because he may be offensive but he wouldn't hurt anyone. It's not the same, look at history and how they killed black people for no reason. In that time I'm sure pg would be helping people. He deserves that distinction otherwise he may as well join them if you group him with them.
People forget how bad real racists are. They kill for no reason, in that sense pg is not a racist.
WOW he wouldn't even hang a black guy he hates you say? He's a fucking saint! Seriously your logic gave me a brain tumor.
You know there is so much wrong here you just don't know where to start, not only are the comments from PG hate filled and prejudice but then the responses or justifications that seem to just reinforce that basic level ignorance is almost as bad and it really goes to the nature of how we divide humanity into unnecessary categories. There are a lot of bad people on this planet and skin tone has nothing to do with the propensity for evil. Sad but it seems we still live in a world where people think that races even exists and that somehow you can define or pigeonhole people into a specific 'culture' by the gradation of skin coloration of a specific segment of any given population. Very few cultures are distinct and homogeneous in our world today. Humanity no matter the culture have the same necessities, exhibit the same need for a moral code and although you may think we all live in a vacuum of individual rights we are a part of a greater whole that is humanity. You can't exist outside that reality and when you talk about humans in such a negative and hate filled way you say more about how you are outside the norms of humanity than being a member in good standing. Ethically that sort of speech and the defense of it is just wrong.
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April 28, 2014, 12:12:18 AM
There's an important distinction in that pg wouldn't even hang a black guy he despised. Real racists hang any black person for no reason.
This is critical because he may be offensive but he wouldn't hurt anyone. It's not the same, look at history and how they killed black people for no reason. In that time I'm sure pg would be helping people. He deserves that distinction otherwise he may as well join them if you group him with them.
People forget how bad real racists are. They kill for no reason, in that sense pg is not a racist.
This is critical because he may be offensive but he wouldn't hurt anyone. It's not the same, look at history and how they killed black people for no reason. In that time I'm sure pg would be helping people. He deserves that distinction otherwise he may as well join them if you group him with them.
People forget how bad real racists are. They kill for no reason, in that sense pg is not a racist.
WOW he wouldn't even hang a black guy he hates you say? He's a fucking saint! Seriously your logic gave me a brain tumor.
You know there is so much wrong here you just don't know where to start, not only are the comments from PG hate filled and prejudice but then the responses or justifications that seem to just reinforce that basic level ignorance is almost as bad and it really goes to the nature of how we divide humanity into unnecessary categories. There are a lot of bad people on this planet and skin tone has nothing to do with the propensity for evil. Sad but it seems we still live in a world where people think that races even exists and that somehow you can define or pigeonhole people into a specific 'culture' by the gradation of skin coloration of a specific segment of any given population. Very few cultures are distinct and homogeneous in our world today. Humanity no matter the culture has the same necessities, exhibits the same need for a moral code and although you may think we all live in a vacuum of individual rights we are a part of a greater whole that is humanity. You can't exist outside that reality and when you talk about humans in such a negative and hate filled way you say more about how you are outside the norms of humanity than being a member in good standing. Ethically that sort of speech and the defense of it is just wrong.
April 27, 2014, 10:13:02 PM
There's an important distinction in that pg wouldn't even hang a black guy he despised. Real racists hang any black person for no reason.
This is critical because he may be offensive but he wouldn't hurt anyone. It's not the same, look at history and how they killed black people for no reason. In that time I'm sure pg would be helping people. He deserves that distinction otherwise he may as well join them if you group him with them.
People forget how bad real racists are. They kill for no reason, in that sense pg is not a racist.
This is critical because he may be offensive but he wouldn't hurt anyone. It's not the same, look at history and how they killed black people for no reason. In that time I'm sure pg would be helping people. He deserves that distinction otherwise he may as well join them if you group him with them.
People forget how bad real racists are. They kill for no reason, in that sense pg is not a racist.
WOW he wouldn't even hang a black guy he hates you say? He's a fucking saint! Seriously your logic gave me a brain tumor.
April 27, 2014, 07:36:37 AM
... by using the most derogatory term he could find. ...
Let me refer you back to my comment ...https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6389656
April 26, 2014, 10:38:32 PM
His comments about the "Half breed" baby is a clear example of hate. Breeds describe animals not humans.
I've referred to myself as a "half-breed" and often tell people that I was "born and bred" here in San Antonio; am I racist? (FYI, humans are animals.)
Racism isn't always about hate, as Mike Christ tried to intimate. My mother would never wish ill on anyone but she's a full blown racist, IMO. It sometimes seems like every conversation I have with her includes a comment that starts with, "Oh, you know how white/black/Mexican people are..." She's not white and doesn't consider other races inferior to hers, she will just instinctively put you in a preconceived box based solely on your skin color.
I've met Phinnaeus in person and worked with him on several projects. I believe he is understandably upset by the actions of his niece's boyfriend and wanted to convey the depth of his displeasure by using the most derogatory term he could find. He also tried to make it clear that he was only referring to this one individual, basing his scorn and derision on the personality, not the physical characteristics of the man.
Unfortunately for Phinnaeus, and the rest of us, a few loaded terms are still enough to draw attention away from the issue at hand and give fodder to those trying to convince us that some words and concepts are "bad" no matter how you use them.
April 26, 2014, 06:04:12 PM
There's an important distinction in that pg wouldn't even hang a black guy he despised. Real racists hang any black person for no reason.
This is critical because he may be offensive but he wouldn't hurt anyone. It's not the same, look at history and how they killed black people for no reason. In that time I'm sure pg would be helping people. He deserves that distinction otherwise he may as well join them if you group him with them.
People forget how bad real racists are. They kill for no reason, in that sense pg is not a racist.
This is critical because he may be offensive but he wouldn't hurt anyone. It's not the same, look at history and how they killed black people for no reason. In that time I'm sure pg would be helping people. He deserves that distinction otherwise he may as well join them if you group him with them.
People forget how bad real racists are. They kill for no reason, in that sense pg is not a racist.
You don't have to want to kill people to be a racist!
Being a racist can be as simple as moving to another seat on the bus when a black person sits near you. Or even wishing they didn't sit near you.
That reminds me of Rosa Parks refusing to give up her seat when a bus driver asked her to due to racial segregation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Parks
April 26, 2014, 05:58:11 PM
You don't have to want to kill people to be a racist!
Being a racist can be as simple as moving to another seat on the bus when a black person sits near you. Or even wishing they didn't sit near you.
Being a racist can be as simple as moving to another seat on the bus when a black person sits near you. Or even wishing they didn't sit near you.
This.
April 26, 2014, 05:55:49 PM
April 26, 2014, 01:52:24 PM
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Racism Is for children IMO which is odd because children tend to not be racists unless they were brought up to be that way. People that use the tactics of reverse racism today to hinder the speech of others are also childish IMO. Your not going to like everything your hear or read and that does not mean you're going to be able to take away someone rights. You don't like what someone is saying then point out why they are wrong and ignore them.
Racism Is for children IMO which is odd because children tend to not be racists unless they were brought up to be that way. People that use the tactics of reverse racism today to hinder the speech of others are also childish IMO. Your not going to like everything your hear or read and that does not mean you're going to be able to take away someone rights. You don't like what someone is saying then point out why they are wrong and ignore them.
April 26, 2014, 12:23:23 PM
There's an important distinction in that pg wouldn't even hang a black guy he despised. Real racists hang any black person for no reason.
This is critical because he may be offensive but he wouldn't hurt anyone. It's not the same, look at history and how they killed black people for no reason. In that time I'm sure pg would be helping people. He deserves that distinction otherwise he may as well join them if you group him with them.
People forget how bad real racists are. They kill for no reason, in that sense pg is not a racist.
This is critical because he may be offensive but he wouldn't hurt anyone. It's not the same, look at history and how they killed black people for no reason. In that time I'm sure pg would be helping people. He deserves that distinction otherwise he may as well join them if you group him with them.
People forget how bad real racists are. They kill for no reason, in that sense pg is not a racist.
You don't have to want to kill people to be a racist!
Being a racist can be as simple as moving to another seat on the bus when a black person sits near you. Or even wishing they didn't sit near you.
Then what should we call these people http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching
Can't use the same word
Just saying there has to be a distinction, both can't be called racists, theyre radically different
April 26, 2014, 12:19:48 PM
There's an important distinction in that pg wouldn't even hang a black guy he despised. Real racists hang any black person for no reason.
This is critical because he may be offensive but he wouldn't hurt anyone. It's not the same, look at history and how they killed black people for no reason. In that time I'm sure pg would be helping people. He deserves that distinction otherwise he may as well join them if you group him with them.
People forget how bad real racists are. They kill for no reason, in that sense pg is not a racist.
This is critical because he may be offensive but he wouldn't hurt anyone. It's not the same, look at history and how they killed black people for no reason. In that time I'm sure pg would be helping people. He deserves that distinction otherwise he may as well join them if you group him with them.
People forget how bad real racists are. They kill for no reason, in that sense pg is not a racist.
You don't have to want to kill people to be a racist!
Being a racist can be as simple as moving to another seat on the bus when a black person sits near you. Or even wishing they didn't sit near you.
April 26, 2014, 12:13:05 PM
There's an important distinction in that pg wouldn't even hang a black guy he despised. Real racists hang any black person for no reason.
This is critical because he may be offensive but he wouldn't hurt anyone. It's not the same, look at history and how they killed black people for no reason. In that time I'm sure pg would be helping people. He deserves that distinction otherwise he may as well join them if you group him with them.
People forget how bad real racists are. They kill for no reason, in that sense pg is not a racist.
This is critical because he may be offensive but he wouldn't hurt anyone. It's not the same, look at history and how they killed black people for no reason. In that time I'm sure pg would be helping people. He deserves that distinction otherwise he may as well join them if you group him with them.
People forget how bad real racists are. They kill for no reason, in that sense pg is not a racist.
April 26, 2014, 11:59:17 AM
Wait how's your sister black?
My mother was married and had her before i was born and she married my father and had me.She is my half sister....And i love her Regardless what scum like PG think of blacks.
Wait your sister is black, right? Does she ever call other black people nigger? I know it's popular with black people to call each other nigger but white people can't do it. Are you the exception to that rule? Does she ever call you nigga, since you're related I mean? I have a black friend that calls me nigger all the time. I dismiss it because he's black but he may be trying to tell me something in his own way.
PG admitted he is used it and it is derogatory. He claims anyone can be a N****R but for real how many people use that word to describe poor character? And how do we Explain his Comment "Half Breed" baby? Really?? Half breed. are we describing an animal a dog? No a human being. then he goes on describing a jewish guy in another thread saying the JEW didn't pay. The guy clearly has issues with blacks and jewish people.
Would love to ask what makes him so Special he some kind of superhuman race with no flaws?
She's kind of a rare black person then. I don't think I've listened to a song by a black artist in the last 20 years that didn't have the word nigger in it.
You do realize Bruno is from an older generation, right. Most people use language based on education and life experience. He probably grew up using that word because everyone around him used it but it may have a different meaning for him than it did for the adults using it around him. I know it sounds odd but I had an old white friend years ago that used nigger to mean essentially slave worker. He would use it to describe Mexican field workers by calling them field niggers. To him nigger didn't mean black. Oh, I admit, he was racist as fuck but when he was being derogatory toward blacks he called them porch monkey or coon.
April 26, 2014, 09:26:16 AM
It's 7 days. I could care less who he calls a scammer but the off topic nonsense and trolling is excessive, has been for a while.
And calling something a scam doesn't make one immune to moderation. And davout had nothing to do with it.
And calling something a scam doesn't make one immune to moderation. And davout had nothing to do with it.
Is trolling the correct word or is it spamming? I'll admit to spamming AMT hard, if fact that was I was I doing prior to getting spam - posting heavily in their self-moderated thread, thus deserving my punishment.
Trolling is a pretty general term, you were trolling by spamming, so either is accurate. It's splitting hairs though.
April 26, 2014, 03:01:13 AM
Wait how's your sister black?
My mother was married and had her before i was born and she married my father and had me.She is my half sister....And i love her Regardless what scum like PG think of blacks.
Wait your sister is black, right? Does she ever call other black people nigger? I know it's popular with black people to call each other nigger but white people can't do it. Are you the exception to that rule? Does she ever call you nigga, since you're related I mean? I have a black friend that calls me nigger all the time. I dismiss it because he's black but he may be trying to tell me something in his own way.
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