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They would only have to declare bankruptcy if they are bankrupt. I'm still searching away for solid evidence this is the case if you have any help the whole community out and post it. Granted there is a metricshitton of circumstantial evidence saying so  Cry Still would be nice to know for sure.
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You guys are all assuming a purchaser will necessarily make all customers whole. That doesn't look realistic. The best Gox can hope for is to get bids/proposals, and go with the best they are offered.

Karpeles doesn't have a choice - he is a gaping liability to Gox and will get f*cked in any transaction. it won't be milk and honey for customers either. Maybe a quarter cup of milk, but certainly no honey ...

You can't buy a company without the liabilities. Mtgox has to declare bankruptcy, negotiate with the creditors and then get buyed by someone to get rid off the debt or a large portion of it.

At the moment it looks like a bailout buy.
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Right now this seems about the only hope I can find as a Goxxxed customer.




 Cry cant believe I just right clicked and added Goxxxed to my browsers dictionary FML  Cry
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You don't need to quote me if you're the first to reply.

You still haven't explained why new potential investors would take over gox..instead of starting a new initiative under a new name.
Right..that's why the current exchange rates are already at the level before gox went down?


Because they would get access to the servers and software running this exchange plus the customers and volume IF and only IF a new trusted CEO would lead it. Many old customers which left when the withdrawal delays appeared would return possibly if they trusted the new CEO.

If they go by your option, they would be just one out of many new exchanges out there, with little chance of ever getting to the volumes MtGox had.

MtGox is infamous now, mainly because Karpeles runs it and because of the lost funds. Both of those issues however would be fixed the way i proposed it.
So if those issues were to be fixed, then who would NOT want to hold a share of an exchange with high volumes and a bright future?


You think you can just start a new exchange and get all the volume? You won't, because you need volume in order to get new customers which you will never have as there are already other exchanges which offer that like bitstamp and btc-e.

With MtGox it is a completely other scenario. With the right steps, it's old volume can return and even surpass it when withdrawals work without delays.
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Uhm, what about the 550.000(?) verified accounts? That's worth something. Apart from the numbers it costs a shitload of time to check all the data and paperwork.

And I think how bad or worse Empty Gox was, they were still in the top 3 of the world.

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You don't need to quote me if you're the first to reply.

You still haven't explained why new potential investors would take over gox..instead of starting a new initiative under a new name.
Right..that's why the current exchange rates are already at the level before gox went down?
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Because they have caused enough damage to the bitcoin community. Their name just can't be somehow 'clean' again after a takeover by another party.

I think with good rebranding (gox.com) and the right team they could turn the clock.

And NOT fix things will damage the bitcoin community much more. Do you think people will invest/use Bitcoins in the nearby future if they said "too bad, bye bye" ?
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Because they have caused enough damage to the bitcoin community. Their name just can't be somehow 'clean' again after a takeover by another party.
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It's totally wrong that another company could get ahold of Gox and we would see it restart  Undecided

Why? With the right people it could turn everything... Furthermore it could be a once-in-a-lifetime business-opportunity for a big company (eg. bank, PSP) to step in...
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It's totally wrong that another company could get ahold of Gox and we would see it restart  Undecided
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That could be huge - Exchange driven and owned by the community.
I think many of us would be glad to pay for such shares, even it that would be worth only 0.001 % or so.
I hope this is possible, even considering all the obstacles and problems we should be able to vote for and choose new management, CEO etc.
We should put some pressure on MK to make this happen...
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Adding to the above i said. The new investors could be those having funds stuck in Gox.

They would have to get in contact with infamous Karpeles and get him to sign a contract to pass the ownership to those that have funds stuck on gox in the appropriate percentage relative to their funds in there.

Then they would have to vote on a new CEO, whoever they think would be viewed as the most trustworthy by the community as well as being willing to do the job.

In the long run, having a share in a big exchange that is run by a trusted member of the community they are very likely to even draw out profits of this currently miserable situation.

As i said, i am no lawyer, and my words should be taken with a pint of salt. I am just trying to add my 2 cents and state my view so some might potentially benefit of this.

edit: The exchange when opening up again, could trade shares on top of just BTC, so those who do not want to keep their share, could directly trade it for BTC and get out of it.
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I think you are wrong.

With a trusted new CEO, like gmaxwell or antonopoulos MtGox would be far more worth than just 300m.

It would be the easiest way for investors to get hold of a major exchange with high enough volume.

I agree. But I am more conservative, thinking there are only less than 30 people in the world who has the reputation to buy MtGox and keep it running.

My speculation: This personage should bid with $1, Mark is too greedy to agree, the deadlock goes on for a month, and this personage decide the brand's reputation is further damaged beyond redemption and give up bidding, Mark capitulate and agree to sell for $1, but it's too late, then he files bankruptcy.

Karpeles has no choice, there will be too much pressure on him from people having serious funds in Gox. They will soon see as well that this is a reasonable solution to possibly get their funds out.
Whatever business Karpeles touches from this day, will turn to dirt. He adds negative value to a business.

Maybe they will have to put some money in to get this parasite out once and for all, he doesn't deserve, but sometimes you have to dance with the devil to get to something better.

At the same time, there are many early BTC adopters which have immense amounts of bitcoins they were honorable enough to keep instead of flooding the market and crash the price.

They would love to invest their BTC in a business that would on top restore BTC's reputation and give their remaining coins more value in the process i would guess. Also with a very good chance of profiting from it in the next 5 years unless something more sinister happens in the BTC world.

They will also see very quickly that this can be done only with a new fully trusted CEO by the community which will be given full control of how the exchange runs without strings attached.
I named two candidates which would be perfect in my opinion, however i have no clue if they are even interested.

There are certainly more issues as in how feasible this is in terms of legal issues. I am no lawyer, and i do not have all the data related to gox.

This is just my take on what i would consider perfect both for the new investors and those having funds stuck in the exchange.

Personally i have nothing in MtGox and drew out all i had long ago when they started delaying withdrawals, but i won't hide that it is in my interest for BTC to thrive as i am holding a medium sized amount of BTC as well as me considering BTC a great way to escape the quantitative easing (money printing) of the FED and the likes.

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I think you are wrong.

With a trusted new CEO, like gmaxwell or antonopoulos MtGox would be far more worth than just 300m.

It would be the easiest way for investors to get hold of a major exchange with high enough volume.

I agree. But I am more conservative, thinking there are only less than 30 people in the world who has the reputation to buy MtGox and keep it running.

My speculation: This personage should bid with $1, Mark is too greedy to agree, the deadlock goes on for a month, and this personage decide the brand's reputation is further damaged beyond redemption and give up bidding, Mark capitulate and agree to sell for $1, but it's too late, then he files bankruptcy.
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You guys are all assuming a purchaser will necessarily make all customers whole. That doesn't look realistic. The best Gox can hope for is to get bids/proposals, and go with the best they are offered.

Karpeles doesn't have a choice - he is a gaping liability to Gox and will get f*cked in any transaction. it won't be milk and honey for customers either. Maybe a quarter cup of milk, but certainly no honey ...
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Still I guess anything is possible.  Some people have deep pockets and a phobia of just holding their coins.

You are mean.
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seriously there's no way in hell the actual transaction is worth three hundred million Earth dollars

it'll be some sort of mob deal, and it'll make sense at that level, and we'll never know
I think you are wrong.

With a trusted new CEO, like gmaxwell or antonopoulos MtGox would be far more worth than just 300m.

It would be the easiest way for investors to get hold of a major exchange with high enough volume.

With karpeles as CEO the value is exactly ZERO because noone except a few fools left over would use any service he runs again.


In my opinion it is all about who will be the CEO. If they choose someone noone knows or even worse, continue to use Karpeles, they are just wasting their money.

I strongly agree

think about whatsapp, $300M is really nothing...

Yes, I imagine some big company will buy it and integrate with their current payment system. Just make sure they had everything new. New brand, CEO, Management, Technology, Products, etc. and eventually new customer will come.

Any big company that see Bitcoin's future prospect certainly will buy. Mt Gox are always on top 3 exchange so far. I will even buy this company if they file an IPO.
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Some Government may also considering to ban Bitcoin Exchange. They try to protect their people.

Forgive me,
I had to smile at that one

cheers,
kev


Government can't ban Bitcoin. I know it.

But they can ban Bitcoin Company. I mean Bitcoin Company like Mt Gox, Bitstamp, BTC China, etc.
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This is not good for my Chi... Yifu
Cheaper to let MtGox die in bankruptcy and buy the customer list from the trustee.


Some Government may also considering to ban Bitcoin Exchange. They try to protect their people.


Forgive me,
I had to smile at that one

cheers,
kev
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