Topic: South Africa in trouble. (Read 723 times)

If anything happens to South Africa economy, it is not going to affect African economy because already Africans there are complaining of harsh relation from the citizens of South Africa and the foreigners are already leaving their country for them and traveling to Europe and other countries. For the past 10 years plus, South Africa have been known with xenophobic attacks on foreigners, people don't transact much with them anymore and I read they are now struggling with their economy because some of their facilities are deteriorating like electricity. If they are to face sanctions from US and NATO, it will not affect African economy.

The real problem in Africa is that some "dogs of the Kremlin" decided, at the behest of an international criminal, to launch "colorful coups" - Guinea, Mali, Niger, Sudan....
Since 2020, there have been coup attempts in eight countries in West Africa and the Sahel region. Of these, five have been successful, three have not.
Meanwhile, of the 17 coups d'états that have taken place in the world since 2017, 16 have occurred in Africa.

And this is a map. Does nothing seem strange to you ?



 PS About Russian flags at the "people's" I will not talk about

As we know that the South African state has an important role for Africa, if there is a problem with South Africa, for example, getting an economic embargo from the USA and Europe, it is certain to make the African continent affected directly, and we hope that this problem will soon end in peace .

If you remember that South Africa is a member of BRICS nation, then such news will not be a surprise to you. Part of the reasons for joining bodies like BRICS, NATO, AU, ECOWAS and what have you is primarily to support member states in terms of trade, information and material sharing and other areas. Therefore, it should not be strange if this news is true... maybe people will just become political about it because when NATO member states share resources, it does not cause much problems.

Anyone paying attention would have notice that the world is heading towards two dominant powers: "Army of the East and Army of the West". As a matter of fact, nations are already aligning to reflect this realities. All the proxy wars happening here and there is between both powers: from Syria to Ukraine, Sudan and Niger (in the pipeline).

I believe South African government already know a day like this will come and should be prepared for the consequences. Indeed, the future of humanity is looking bleak everyday and I wonder when the world will ever be peaceful again.

This mentality should be stopped else africa will continue to be the slave of western world. The inferiority is alarming. US is doing more than enough and no country attempt to question them. South Africa and Africa at large should not be interrupted with the threat of sanction. The earlier Africans stand for themselves and stop the mentality of being inferior, the better for them.

Tell me, what are FACTS for you?
Facts for me:
- An Iranian general with a smirk declares that the Russians sent a party of Shaheds.
- the intelligence services of many countries have stated that deliveries are made by aviation and the Caspian Sea.
- I have ONE OF MANY UAVs shot down at night 1.5 km from my apartment, which is 100% consistent with the Shahed XXX Model.
- when disassembling the remains of downed vehicles - inside I see assembly markings in Persian, structural elements with Iranian markings.
Are these not facts? Believe me, large sets of information (wreckage, photos, intercepts of conversations, documentation, etc.) have already been collected and transferred to investigators of international organizations ...

Regarding South Africa, they were unable to deliver and handed over ammunition to a terrorist comrade, they were "caught" along the way, "by the hand." And the investigation is ongoing, because. Russia is trying through all the "holes" to get at least some help ....

Arms race is gradually taking over the world and it's economy today and if caution is not applied soon enough I see a third World War rooting out soon and when this happens nations of the third world down to the First World will surely be affected greatly.
Nations  aiding a warring nation with arms Rather than talk peace as an advice to them is considered a "proxy war" And as such things may never go well between the third party and their Allies opponent in time to come because war and the trauma that comes with it is no something anyone can never  forget hurriedly.

American accusation on South Africa for me is merely same coin of different sides because they have always been the masterminds of arms race among warring nations over the  years  so I believe that their Economic  sanction On South Africa will not hinder Africa's economy rather it will grant her (Africa) an opportunity to make new economic friends.

Countries engaging in disruptive activities can indeed stir discord. Still, hurling allegations without thorough understanding and undeniable proof is dangerous. Reflect upon the Iran and South Africa scenario you referenced. Yes, if true, it's worrying. But remember, global politics can often veil truth behind diplomatic facades and strategic maneuvers.

In terms of the "peacekeeping mission," such actions often hide ulterior motives. However, branding them as 'advancing terrorist interests' may be a simplistic viewpoint. The impact of supporting a so-called 'international terrorist country' can indeed be dire. Yet, the path to resolving such complexities is strewn with obstacles.

The Iranian government has already been fairly well documented in that they have supplied and continue to supply drones to Russia. With the supply of weapons from South Africa, indeed, so far, as far as I know, there is no unambiguously confirmed information. Therefore, if they did not supply weapons and are not going to supply them to Russia, then they have nothing to fear.

In Russia, the defense industry is now really working at its full potential. But there are two problems here. First: Russia cannot produce high-precision weapons in the same quantities due to the sanctions, although it uses the opportunity to partially bypass them. And secondly, the Armed Forces of Ukraine destroy military equipment much faster than it is produced in Russia. So there is still a problem.

What doesn't seem logical to you? Russia has its "friends of terror", there are "hand dogs" and there are partners for whom "money doesn't smell".

As for Iran - everything is proven, there is a huge evidence base on the use of Iranian UAVs against peaceful cities of Ukraine. There is something not logical here?

South Africa is also "exposed" in hidden ammunition deliveries. An investigation is still on its way.
In addition, I would like to add that the President of South Africa came to us in Kiev not so long ago as part of the so-called "peacekeeping mission of African countries". Do you know what he thinks it looks like to stop Russia's terrorist war against Ukraine, which for some reason he calls "conflict" ? The main points:
- Drop the criminal case against Putin
- Lifting sanctions against Russia
- Accept the annexation of territories
- Agree to Russia's terms.
... and there will be peace.

It's called propping up terrorist interests. I understand that russia is "bursting at the seams" and they send all their "hand dogs" to beg for a pause, without which russia is guaranteed to slide into the abyss... But these are futile attempts.
And remember - those who are backing an international terrorist country, and consequently those who directly or indirectly support the attempted destruction of Ukraine, will "get what they deserve." For the international crime of the 21st century everyone - from the perpetrator to his assistants - will be responsible!  Therefore, I strongly recommend to the people of the countries where the pro-Kremlin "mutts" sit at the head to change this regime, because the population, unfortunately, will also share the responsibility for the actions of such rulers.

The people of South Africa are already beginning to feel this responsibility on themselves, a "good" example that is better not to be repeated

This entire argument doesn't sound logical for me. Initially they were accusing Iran of supplying drones to the Russian Armed Forces and now they are accusing South Africa. As far as I know, South Africa is a net importer of weapons. What is the need for Russia to import weapons from this country, when the manufacturing facilities within Russia are operating at full-strength? I guess these arguments are levelled against South Africa because they refused to join the Western bloc in enforcing sanctions against Russia. However, I really doubt whether such coercive actions would make any change in their stance. It can have the opposite effect.

First of all Zoom is already a great response, they still welcome him, but neither have a trouble, both South Africa keeps supporting Russia by giving him the screen time and letting him speak at BRICS meeting just as they wanted to, but also at the same time we are talking about him not setting foot in the nation and not forcing anyone to arrest him.

That is why this would make sense, with the whole Wagner situation recently, I am sure that there are more important things Putin tries to handle first, but at the end of the day as long as nations collaborate together against the western block, it is not going to be simple for west anymore, they won't be able to rule with iron fist however they want just like they did so far.

Yeah right, and one page from this topic we have this:
Power outages causes huge economic loss in south Africa.
Growth? What growth?
South African economy slumps in Q4



On what planet do you spend your morning newspaper reading time? Cause you need to come back to earth!
And btw, Canada produces twice as many diamonds as South Africa which barely has 5% of the global production!
The US is donating via USAID 10 times the value of all diamond imports for food security, who do you think will end up in trouble?

South Africa has not only a problem with the possible supply of weapons to Russia for use in the war against Ukraine.
South Africa invited Russian President Vladimir Putin to take part in the BRICS summit, which is scheduled for August 22-24. Putin is wanted by the International Criminal Court for the kidnapping of Ukrainian children, and as a member of the court, South Africa will be under an obligation to arrest him if he turns up.

South Africa has refused to support sanctions against Russia or condemn its aggression against Ukraine. However, the issuance of an arrest warrant for Putin by the International Criminal Court for the forced deportation of Ukrainian children from Russian-occupied territory has put South Africa's ruling party in an awkward position.

The South African authorities announced in April that they intended to withdraw from the Rome Statute, but then announced that the Republic of South Africa remains a member of the International Criminal Court and will continue to consistently apply international law. It was also reported that South Africa asked Vladimir Putin not to come to the BRICS summit, but to participate via Zoom. How will this problem be solved for South Africa,

Of course this is news that often makes headlines in many media, accusations that south Africa is supplying weapons to Russia of course need accurate evidence, and hopefully this is not proven so that south Africa can escape heavy sanctions, we know that currently south Africa is developing and be the hope for many countries in Africa.

With the allegations that there are certainly the United States government will not remain silent,
I hope it's not true and escape sanctions,
just imagine if South Africa is proven to be supplying weapons to Russia then big sanctions will await it and that will also have an impact on many things for South Africa.

The selfish and self-serving South Africa should know this before they do the ignoble and shameful act where thousands of people have been killed. I was moved with tears on Wednesday when I read that over 139 children have been killed in the war initiated by the tyrant Putin. These are innocent children whose lives were just cut short, and for South Africa to be indirectly supporting the war is heartless, they deserve to be sanctioned.

Mind you, businesses would move elsewhere within Africa if the sanction is unbearable for them, it's the Xenophobic country that will face the largest brunt.

Personally, I would have loved it if they also let Cyril Ramaphosa face the charge before ICC after his tenure, so that this will be a deterrent to other countries' leaders.

It's simple, they would turn to other countries if the sanction is so severe. Without South Africa, they will surely survive, it might only be tough at first. No country can't be independent of.

I'm afraid this accusation is true, the US will not open their mouth on such a big allegation if there is no proof for it. Only that it's not a direct shipment of arms and ammunition but supplies of the materials that could be made into weapons.

A very big shame to South Africa for this!

Another piece of news that will affect other countries on the African continent: the African countries that supported Putin will be deprived of European aid!
After Russia started its war in Ukraine, almost half of the African countries did not support the UN resolution condemning the invasion: 25 abstained or were absent, and Eritrea sided with Moscow.
"Some African countries have expressed their support for Russia. We will be watching them," he said, adding that overall the government plans to cut financial aid to developing countries by about one billion euros. The new cabinet will start work on June 20.
Finland, through international programs and organizations, annually allocates several billion euros in aid to developing countries.
Soon the whole EU will support the initiative.
Well, let's be honest - to support and finance those who support a country which leads economic terrorism against the EU and has unleashed a terrorist war in Europe is the height of idiocy!

It is hard to imagine that every wrong move by every country can bring disaster to everyone. If it is true or not or if there are such illegal activities in South Africa, they can give danger in their place. We know that just talking about arms gives fear to every country so we can't blame if the other country takes steps to strengthen their jurisdiction. Its better if South Africa would  be progressive for the better future of their country and its constituents.

First of all i am sure even if South Africa did supply arms to Russia, this thing will never completely get confirmed because even NATO would not want to give heat to the issue of war once again because if Sanctions are brought it'll slowly start becoming the World vs NATO. Some people labelling BRICS here, it has nothing to do with that, it's a non defensive union so no diplomacy around defense would be played there. But in general it would leave a bad impression for the NATO doing this. Secondly even if It's proved there is unlikely chance again to put sanctions on South Africa, US is already on brink of collapse with Russian sanctions, South Africa is diamond provider for world it'll create new issues in global supply chain again which obviously US won't be able to handle.

There is more to this, The US government is not happy with South Africa, and he's Brick's nation Alies Russia and China after Putin and the Chinese President's recent visit to South Africa, The US is becoming worried about how close the Russian Government led by Putin has become close allies with South Africa, and maybe looking for a way to victimize or indict and punish the South African government for that.

As far as I know, no strong links to arms supply to Russia have been found. However, South Africa is in a lot of trouble due to the issuance of Putin's arrest warrant from the political side. Again, looking at the economy, it can be seen that the economic structure has been filled with lor for a long time. Rising inflationary pressures and food shortages are noticeable. But I think the Ukraine Russia war has had a severe impact on the economy more or less all over the world

South Africa has been a loyal ally with the USA for a long time, now there are allegations of weapons supply to Russia, I hope this is not proven so that it makes South Africa safe from sanctions, if sanctions occur, of course it will create a lot of difficulties and a long economic recession for South Africa.

Unfortunately that is true for almost every single politician all around the world. I do not know any politician who became poorer than the time they enter by the time they quit. Every single politician that went into politics, retired richer than they started. That can't be done with just public servant wage, because it is not that a lot, it is good of course but not a ton.

I believe that it would be very difficult to do something regarding this project and I believe that South Africa is not that different in that regard. It is obvious that it will take some time before people could say that it is a smart decision for South Africa to change politicians, considering no matter who is elected into whichever position, the result could very well be the same.

Of course it is sad if these accusations are proven, heavy economic sanctions will be accepted and make the condition of the African economy even more difficult, I don't know if these accusations are true or not but I hope for the best because sanctions will only make things difficult, and international tensions can continue increase.

Sadly South Africa has been led by many successive and self enriching government ministers for decades now. It once made a very big name for itself as one of the most prosperous places in Africa, it has immense beauty and resources, but sadly it is being squandered. The country seems to step by step head into more lawless territory and there is defacto vast segregation between communities because of high levels of the most horrendous crime. It's crazy seeing the sort of fortifications that people have to come up with in order to live peacefully at home and almost unthinkable to step outside those walls into the general community sometimes. It feels like a long way from getting better.

The most of the economic growth of Africa is based on the economic activity of South Africa.Because the South Africa is the important one.When South Africa into Europe,people of full development need to wait till the completion was over.The issue should be short earlier to avoid huge fight betwee the African nation and their brothers.So South Africa economy will affect full Africa economy.

South Africa is really in a quandary right now, and not only because of the possible supply of weapons to Russia to wage war against Ukraine. The BRICS summit is approaching, and South Africa, as the host country, must decide how to deal with Putin's possible visit to this summit. An arrest warrant has been issued for him by the International Criminal Court, and South Africa is a member of this organization and should arrest Putin when visiting its territory.
Apparently, they wanted to resolve this issue by the arrival of a number of leaders of African states, including those from South Africa, to Ukraine, allegedly on a peacekeeping mission. Therefore, one of the group's first proposals was to suspend the ICC warrant for Putin's arrest. But this plan was not destined to come true. Therefore, South Africa continues to look for a way out.

as a citizen of Ukraine, and related to the situation in the country, I can say a few interesting facts.
1. "The Russian army is the second army in the world in terms of power and technology" - FAKE! Proven, on the territory of Ukraine.
2. After the defeat of the army of terrorists of the Russian Federation, in the Kharkiv region and in the south of Ukraine, Russia began to beg for ordinary weapons from all countries that did not support the sanctions, or did not fully support the sanctions. The range of such countries is small. Cambodia SOLD Russia, T34 tanks . Iran, the right hand of the international terrorist Russia, SOLD them UAVs, cartridges for small arms. North Korea SOLD "Great Russia" systems for MLRS, such as "Grad". For one thing, North Korea sold to Russia, the standard Chinese 82-caliber mines that we found in Ukraine, freeing the territories temporarily occupied by Russia. Yes, we assumed that these were Chinese supplies, but China, frightened, quickly provided all the documents that showed that these batches of mines were delivered to North Korea, and then "great Russia" begged for them

In the same way, there are facts of the supply of basic weapons from the "repositories" of South Africa. And they are confirmed by the facts of detection of weapons, with the marking of South Africa in Ukraine. Now the question is - are these "official deliveries of South Africa", or did someone take advantage of the situation and make illegal deliveries? If this was a concerted move by the South African government, it turns out by law that South Africa is an accomplice of international terrorists, and will legally receive sanctions! I don't see any problems!

https://www.reuters.com/article/ukraine-crisis-safrica-idAFKBN2X30KM

While it is understandable that you may perceive the United States as flexing its power in international affairs, it's important to note that countries often pursue their own interests and employ various strategies to protect and promote those interests. Sanctions can be one of the tools used by countries to express disapproval or to pressure other nations in response to perceived actions or policies.

Not everything is as clear as it seems at first glance. The South African authorities do not really want to spoil relations with the West because of Russia and its Putin dictatorship.

After a row with the US ambassador, who accused South Africa of supplying weapons to Russia, the South African currency, the rand, fell sharply against the US dollar. This is bad news for a country already struggling with a failing energy system, chronic unemployment and crumbling infrastructure.

  South Africa is now also facing another diplomatic headache as it tries to decide whether to uphold an invitation it extended to Vladimir Putin to visit Johaesburg in August for the BRICS summit scheduled for August 22-24.

On May 31, Undersecretary for SOEs Obed Bapela told the BBC that the country wants legislation to allow it to decide whether to arrest leaders wanted by the ICC. But a spokesman for the South African Justice Department, speaking on condition of anonymity, told Reuters that Parliament would not have time to pass the law before the summit. This is in addition to the fact that such a legal act would violate, in fact, the law on the ratification of the Rome Statute.

Because South Africa continues to look for ways to get out of a difficult situation. They are even considering the option of asking China to host the BRICS summit instead of South Africa.

The West need to realize that they can't just sanction everyone. Recently they threatened South Africa with sanctions, for refusing to side with them against Russia. Now South Africa has joined other BRICS nations, to work towards a common currency for the bloc. Details here:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-01/brics-nations-say-new-currency-may-offer-shield-from-sanctions

Having a common currency will help these countries to circumvent unjustified sanctions and threats from countries such as the United States and the United Kingdom. Meanwhile, BRICS is currently dealing with membership requests from more than 20 countries, including Saudi Arabia.

What's this? A little fuck you to US? That wouldn't sit well with the rest of the world!

That's basically what SA's asking for with this amazing maneuver. They wanted to help terrorism and the invasion of territories but do not want to suffer the consequences of their actions when shit hits the fan. Of course the South Africans who are once again got nothing to do with this situation are going to suffer the brunt of the work from various NATO colonies as per usual. Although I don't think an outfront attack will happen cause that's basically asking for war.

In any case, South Africa is definitely going to be in a massive problem once the dust settles, this basically outs them as someone who confides with the Putin and their crooked beliefs but whatever, let's just see how things pan out.

if it happens to south africa. it is so difficult when we see two camps fighting each other and our country has closeness between the two. the fear is for their civilians who should not interfere with wars but are indirectly affected by them. I think they should end this war soon.

Well anything can happen and when US politics takes on the nuances of accusation then one way or another we will eventually know which way opinion is going. What's more, South Africa is part of the BRICS whose economic condition is currently being watched by US allies. To that end, US geopolitics will continue to be hyped up as time goes on as the Presidential election draws closer. From the start, the US will look for the slightest fault in South Africa, it will continue to be used as a basis, remembering that targeting the BRICS alliance, the country's lowest choice in terms of the economy will be annihilated first.

If you would be curious to find out how apartheid ended you might have a shock to learn that a huge influence in this was caused by US and western companies boycotting everything from RSA and retreating from the country basically threatening the whole economy.

So, if you were an oppressed South African you would see the whole thing different.


What's the name of the fantasy world where this things you mention are true?
An economy the size of Romania, 90th place by GDP per capita in the world and so reliant on trade that the first thing will trigger a meltdown, strongest economy in Africa and an electricity crisis for 15  years are just not compatible.

Well, it looks like South Africa political neutrality are counting in their favor now, because the US are not in the position to talk with Russia about Peace in this war with the Ukrainians ...due to their hostile approach towards Russia.

South Africa on the other end, stayed neutral and they are talking to both countries to establish some grounds for peace talks. You can go in with all guns blazing like the Americans or you can simply extend your hand and get a political solution for the war, like the South Africans are doing. 

"I want to put my fingers in a socket, but I don't think it's fair to get electrocuted!"
This is exactly what the described problem sounds like.
Do not believe it, but the solution is extremely simple - do not mess with terrorist regimes, do not help them destroy the population of other countries, and do not become terrorists' assistants - and there will be no problems!
Yes, there is of course a nuance - the international criminal Putin, found "points" of influence on some countries / governments
  - tools - from blackmail and empty promises to a game on the theme of "rejection of the dollar" and promises of "a comfortable existence in the new world." But following the lead of a criminal is not the best way.

At the same time, we must not forget that BRICS is also not salvation. BRICS is a project for the yuanization of all members of the group, think about this too

If that's true it will not every country in Africa, African is a continent that has different countries in it, the way I seen African it's one of the large continent if their will be a problem or challenges facing some African countries it's few and not all the African continent, in your statement you are making your analysis as ever African is a country of one nation while it's comprises different nation's as Asia and European nations.

It's more than two weeks now, has the accusations been confirmed or not or this was just a false accusations on South Africa. I read the news some days ago and I saw that a politician in south Africa responsible for arms has replied stating that this news was false and no arms were sent to Russia. South Africa can't support Russia because they're enemies from back when Russia was in or called the Soviet union.

Assuming this news was to be true and South Africa did get sanctioned, South Africa shouldn't have been in trouble because they're or one of the strongest economy in Africa and they control Africa. They would have fought back and stop exportation from Africa to America.

We can only guess but history tells us that US has been bullying many countries and South Africa will not be an exemption. They were able to sell the story of weapons of mass destruction for invading Iraq and Afghanistan before so they think they can make other false allegations without any serious repercussions.

I doubt it's just a blunder of the ambassador. The US is probably testing the waters for now. I won't be surprised if they come up with another accusation and claim that it's "against US interest".

It is very possible. And it won't be surprising at all. On the contrary, South Africa secretly sending weapons and ammunitions to Russia is even quite expected. They're members of the same gang. And the country is obviously showing which side she is on. She's not hiding it. She's with China and Russia and the rest of the BRICS gang. Not only is the country a member of the group since 2010, it is the current chair and will host the BRICS summit this year. South Africa also abstained in the UN vote last year regarding Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

However, I doubt if the country is afraid of being sanctioned by the US. The country seems to feel confident, safe and secure with China and Russia's group.

yeah i think so too. that if sanctions were imposed on southern Africa, this would in fact make China and Russia perhaps more flexible and take the opportunity to be closer to Africa diplomatically. Or even by looking at the diplomacy between south Africa and BRICS members which is actually very closely intertwined then I think south Africa will even be fine. because at least fellow BRICS members, of course they will continue to help each other economically as long as they can mutually benefit one another. I still remember when Russia was sanctioned. and in fact Russia looks fine at the moment. and instead the US is currently heading into a recession and is still at war with inflation. I hope the world doesn't have many conflicts that can heat up the current atmosphere which is already very hot.

In my opinion, It would kind of makes sense South Africa sent those weapons to Russia, because they are both important members of the BRICS, arent they?
Perhaps the Kremlin offered something very tempting to the government of south África, like a very important role in the inclusion on the post-dollar economy they allegedly try to build together.

Anyways, If African countries start to suffer sanctions it would only mean more territory to be taken over by Chinese diplomacy, sadly.

Probably because South Africa is an allied of Russias as a member of BRICS, and this rumor created as US already saw this coming and the only way to attack a country is through economic sanctions. Well, South Africa have to prove their innocence though if the US government made this accusation, i think they already have the evidence for this and sooner or later, sanctions will start to be imposed. This can totally affect the African nations, let’s just wait for further news regarding this one before panicking.

Is it difficult for the Republic of South Africa not to support Russia during the war? Well, if they didn’t figure it out or deliberately support Russia, which attacked the neighboring state of Ukraine and wants to destroy it by military means and, in this way, help the aggressor to commit crimes against humanity and world security, then only the South African government is to blame. Moreover, it seems that Russia's weapons are supplied secretly, which means that South Africa is quite clearly aware of its illegal actions. South Africa will not be in trouble in the form of sanctions if this country stops providing assistance to a terrorist country. There is always a choice.

So because US is ordained and specially created by God, they have supreme power to rule the world the way they like, who is US? An entity cannot rule forever, if they brought Democracy to the world to follow, they should also know that and lead by example that another country will take from where they stop. Whatever Russia is doing today, they learned it from US and they graduated and upgraded their own and US now feel threaten, they better don't do anything silly or come close to Africa, the world is not like how it used to be, things have change, if they sanction South Africa, there are wide alternatives and the earth will remain the same.

What you said is true, maybe whatever decision African governments make is always in the interest of their constituent citizens. And I just hope that the news will not reach them that it will be ugly. You know that in the news there are added and subtracted stories.

      Simply reporting or spreading fud can really cause chaos and the number one affected are the people under the control of the African government. I hope they made the right decision.

Logically speaking I would say it's all false. South Africa might be a big nation in Africa and probably theost stable African country but how do they stand in the world in terms of economy? For now they don't have that weapon sophistication to be able to supply Russia weapons in this current Russia and Ukraine war.

I believe the reason why the rand is falling is because of the FUD this news has already created and the South African economy has taking the heat. 
I think the South African government should urgently try very much to debunk this if it's a rumors because the longer the rumors keeps flying the more the Rand may keep falling against the Us dollar.

I think the USA rarely make empty accusations, but an Ambassador may express something that doesn't reflect the official US position. South Africa is denying sending weapons, but they would deny it regardless of whether it's true or not, just as Iran is obviously sending a lot to Russia but officially denies its involvement. The South African situation will probably have a follow-up with either a clarification from the US government or perhaps we'll see some weapons on the battlefield in Ukraine that will prove their involvement. If they support Russia, they should suffer from sanction, but if they don't, I don't think sanctions will be imposed.

Whether it's true or not because Africa is much closer to Russia these days. Or indeed as a form of support to get out of the dollarization zone. Africa already knows the consequences and knows how America will act against them. Instead of America being concerned about the country's economic condition, Russia has come and given its open arms to rebuild the financial system. The goal is to beat back the crisis that America is experiencing. At present, as we all know, America is busy printing money on a large scale, which means that it does not have time to take care of foreign countries before they really restore public confidence in the resilience of the declining value of the dollar.

Tell me what is your priority:
- some dubious economic stability of South Africa,
- or the fact that South Africa helps, and in fact is a partner of the country of an international terrorist, and support world terrorism. As well as the real massacres of the civilian population, the total destruction of the peaceful cities of Ukraine, as well as the destruction of the industrial infrastructure and economy of the largest European country?
Let's compare the real impact of the two processes on the world economy, and for one and the moral side of both processes?

PS. As I understand it, you will oppose punishing a robber and a murderer who attacks you, because this can lead to a deterioration in the standard of living in his family? I understand correctly ?

Well, on the political environment we never know exactly who is telling the truth, or if any of them is telling the truth... I believe all you can do is to expect South African government is doing the right thing thinking on the welfare of their citizens and neighboor nations. That is, to hope the government isn't helping Russia with ammo and weapons on the backgrounds, imagining nobody is going to discover it.

That would be a big mistake from them, because once the west forces find out, there will be lots of negative consequences on the way... It really doesn't worth for South Africa the risk of helping Russia and being dragged to the hell with them side by side.

I hope that this news is not true, or else many Africans will be affected by that matter and it is not a joke. It's already a poor country, and it will sink even further into poverty if that happens to be true. And the number one hit there is the economy of African countries, that's for sure. So does that also mean that there is still no confirmation were the rumor is true? I really hope it's not true. Good luck in the African country.

The U.S. is in a proxy war with Russia and they don't plan on directly getting involved so sanctions are the next viable solution. Nevermind that sanctions have already weakened the U.S. dollar beyond repair, which would in turn strengthen Russian RUB. They simply see sanctions as a winning strategy and accept the collateral damage. BRICS is a danger to the U.S./NATO, so even if South Africa were not supplying arms to Russia, the U.S. doesn't want additional countries to form close alliances with adversaries.

They have been putting surveillance on other countries as well to know if they are taking any underground deal with Russia in other for them to give sanction, but i don't want to believe if this fact is yet established and confirmed that they have any engagement with Russia which in other hands shouldn't be a call for panic becsu they will receive a warning sign before imposing sanction on them.


This might be a coincidental experience since many countries have undergone this, it may be due to poor economy performance, inflation drop in the country's GDP and many other reasons.


South Africa will definitely face an ugly consequence if found to be involved, also i don't think South Africa has the tenacity and capacity to render arms this much to Russia because it's also not the best in possession of enough arms among other top countries.

If this allegation is true,it means that South Africa economy will be shattered apart,and this will bring big effect on the Africa economy at large. If SA really did the ammunition supply to Russia secretly,then they should be ready to face the consequences because US wouldn't tolerate such assist from SA to Russia. It will be like a challenge to the US government and NATO who is strongly supporting Ukraine. SA should have known this,that if they are caught it will bring sanction on them from doing business with the western world and should have made preparation for whatever the outcome will be,and if nothing has been put in place to face the consequences, I must say that SA made a wrong move that will affect the whole Africa due to their own selfish interest. If it is not true, then we don't need to worry ourselves about this accusation because the truth will be revealed with time and there will be no sanction on SA.

But now that the is allegation from the US ambassador have started affecting their economy who will take responsibility of it and what will the US do to revive SA rand and how will SA be compensated. The ambassador is a basket mouth.

You are absolutely correct because the latest news is that the US ambassador that made the allegations have apologized to South Africa for making such an allegation without concrete evidence. This is a serious allegation that can ruin the political, social, and economic sectors of a country. South Africa has insisted that they are committed to its political neutrality and Arms Control Act. This might be an intimidation strategy by the West to make South Africa reduce its commitment to the BRICS alliance or an administrative or diplomatic blunder by Reuben E. Brigety.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-65572154

Well, the US must just make sure that their accusations are correct, because the South African government already made a Press statement that the Russian boat in the South African harbor where downloading food and supplies for their Russian embassy in South Africa.

South Africa forms part of the BRICS countries, so it is clear where their loyalties are... but economically that is a gamble. Everyone know the USA are in trouble and some countries are trying to distance them from that trouble.... South Africa are one of those countries. 

Economic sanctions will certainly be a tough thing for any country. Not just south africa but if it's any other bigger country if it accepts economic sanctions then things will get worse. And if this is about South Africa then of course it will greatly affect other African countries there. but let's hope that the issue is not true and hopefully no economic sanctions will be imposed on South Africa.

With superpowers and nation having allied forces and putting economic sanctions for whoever will be seen supporting Russia is what US is trying to do.

That's why even those countries that are close to them except the known ones which is China and North Korea and other allies of it aren't showing that they've got an inch of support to them.

Maybe this is just another accusation that's trying to make some trigger for involve countries to do an issue for them to push something on the South African region.

If the allegations made by the US ambassador against South Africa are proved to be true, there could be major US sanctions against South Africa. And if the US sanctions come to their country, the economic condition of their country will be seriously affected. But if South Africa had supplied arms to Russia, South Africa would have spoken about it directly, so they would not have supplied arms in secret. Since several other African countries are dependent on South Africa's economy, this can be a threat to other countries including South Africa. But we hope that the United States should investigate the matter thoroughly and not impose such a large ban based on one person's complaint.

According to recent BBC news US ambassador Reuben Brigety said the weapons and ammunition were loaded onto a Russian ship. The report triggered fears that US would take action against South Africa.

Sanction on South Africa means sanction on the entire Africa, I am not saying what is happening that what is true or false, but this sanction by US ambassador to South Africa can ruin their economic stability.

South African President, Ramaphosa, said there would be an independent inquiry into the allegation. And yes it is very crucial to wait for more information and evidences before impose more allegation to South Africa by US.

I am not surprised by the S. African actions because they have stated where they stand since the war broke out, they stand with Russia, a lot of people don't know anything about the war in Ukraine they just based their knowledge on what they read on most of the MSM news outlet. This was is a proxy war for the USA and it is being used to launder a lot of money, I just feel sanctioning any country now because they send Ammunition to Russia won't work, just look at the effect of sanctions on Russia and on the world economy at large.

This has nothing to do with other African countries if South Africa decided to join the BRICS. This suppose not to be the problem of the United States and NATO. I knowndie to sentiment and the United States may want to sanction South Africa for this but that supposed not to be our problem. I still don't know why the United States likes flexing there power even though they are the world power here.

I think very countries has the choice to join any association or group that they want without any issue. If South Africa would be sanctioned for this because they join BRICS then we all going to know that this is based on sentiment.

South Africa is the country with the highest number of immigrants in Africa. It is estimated that they host about 2.9 million immigrants that reside and work in the country. There are no recent statistics on the number of Nigerians living in South Africa but according to a 2016
estimate about 30,314 stay there. And a Nigerian newspaper puts the population to about  800, 000. But you hardly find South Africans in Nigeria except for those that work in their multinational forms such as MTN and DSTV. We cannot also doubt that South Africa has better infrastructure than most African countries. Businesses have better chances of surviving in that country than most African economies.

If South African economy gets bad about 3 million immigrants will be affected. There will increase in xenophobic crimes. Many Africans might be forced to return to their homeland to add to the number of unemployed. We need peace and stability in South Africa.

The situation is concerning, if there are allegations or issues that are detrimental to a country it is deemed necessary to carry out an investigation to ensure the truth where the South African Government can investigate the allegations made by the US Ambassador and show evidence that can refute the accusations to maintain economic stability in Africa and mitigate the impact of potential economic sanctions. But I think it's important to wait for further information and developments before jumping to conclusions.

No mate, south Africa is no longer the economic hub of Africa, recent news from South Africa points to a more volatile state of things, as they have lost the will for peaceful co-existence, and also it important to take into account their relationship with another African country.

South Africa has a high record of violent attacks against foreigners most especially those from other African countries e.g. Nigeria, Ghana, and other English-speaking African countries name (Xenophobia).

South Africa being a member of the Five leading economies BRICS with an economy huge enough to influence the whole Africa doesn't mean Africans in different countries should fidget over their sanctions. Aside the presence or help of South Africa, countries like Seychelles, Nigeria, Libya, Egypt have large economies enough to sustain them in businesses. Like you mentioned the neighboring countries to Africa like Zimbabwe should be worried about this new development. Because it has been confirmed by the USA that South Africa gave out Arm to Russia to continue invading Ukraine. They're close allies and it'll be difficult for South Africa not to help Russia with weapons during war times despite their promise to remain neutral.



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The recent accusation by US Ambassador Reuben E. Brigety that South Africa sent arms to Russia is making investors sell off the South African rand and bonds. Investors are scared that the US and its allies will hit the country with severe economic sanctions. The rand has lost value since the news was published, the currency is now 19.3250 against the dollar, its weakest in three years.

If it is confirmed that South Africa sent weapons and ammunition to Russia, the country will suffer economic problems because of sanctions. It will also be a big blow to the African economy because South Africa is the economic powerhouse of Africa. Many South African countries like Zimbabwe, Botswana Mozambique, Namibia, Eswatini, etc, depend on South Africa economically. South Africa also employs a greater number of Africans because they have many striving multinational firms.

As an African, I pray this accusation is not true because a sanction on South Africa is a sanction on the entire Africa.