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Quote from: DarkDays on August 07, 2019, 10:25:50 AM

I think we really need to have a way to control the spam, maybe there should be a way to give anti-merits, and we can automatically hide posts by people with negative merit.

There is a way to control spam. It's called the Report to moderator button.
There is a way to hide posts by spammers. It's called the Report to moderator button.

Take TEN minutes to report some posts. With the right tools, you can erase hundreds of spam posts in that amount of time.

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Quote from: Natalim on July 31, 2019, 03:12:06 AM

Let's just be responsible and report posts when we see them spam.
Creating a thread every time we see a spam posters won't help much because if we try to look closely, we will see a lot of newbie spammers in the forum.

Ever since the implementation of the merit system, publicly reporting spam, scam, shady business has become a mainstay for the average user as a way to earn merits. So, no, your advice won't be heeded. The day won't be too far away when spam threads would spawn because they reported about some other spam thread. (They might even exist right now).

I think we really need to have a way to control the spam, maybe there should be a way to give anti-merits, and we can automatically hide posts by people with negative merit.

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Quote from: SuperTA on July 31, 2019, 09:47:42 AM

Theymos said that in this case, post must be long enough where the advertising seems insignificant, which in my opinion is not the case here. Maybe i should ask theymos. I'm new in reporting, i started reporting a couple of days ago when i saw a massive spam, maybe more than 100 accounts. So i'm sorry for my noob questions.

It's really about something like banner ads that promote stuff not related to the topic. E.g. if this post contained an ad for Amazon or something like that.

As actmyname said, don't worry too much about details and there's plenty of posts out there that are waiting to be reported for much more obvious spamming. I just opened a few threads in Altcoin ANNs (don't even remember why I went there) and ended up reporting ~100 posts for serial bumping. Spammers are getting smarter though. Not a lot of "good project" spam anymore but lots of contrived fake discussions that are clearly intended to circumvent the bumping rules.

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Ok, thank you for your time and answers.

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Quote from: SuperTA on July 31, 2019, 09:47:42 AM

Theymos said that in this case, post must be long enough where the advertising seems insignificant, which in my opinion is not the case here. Maybe i should ask theymos. I'm new in reporting, i started reporting a couple of days ago when i saw a massive spam, maybe more than 100 accounts. So i'm sorry for my noob questions.

Don't stress too much about it.

For rule 24, focus on users that are spamming random/irrelevant advertisements in threads that are not about the same service. The spam wave (maybe what you're talking about?) consisted of users posting advertisements across the forum on various threads. This is very different from one user that has a thread to announce a service, who is updating their thread every so and then.

However... most of the spam you will encounter will be from insubstantial posts. Lots of repeated information, vague posts, one-liners that are just "yes you are right bitcoin is very volatile", or posts that agree and paraphrase. Egregious forms of spam consist of plagiarism and cross-forum spam.

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Quote from: theymos on August 21, 2014, 04:08:07 AM

To be eligible for this, your post must be in a topic that you started, and your post must be substantial and long enough to make the ad seem entirely insignificant. If in doubt, ask me.

Theymos said that in this case, post must be long enough where the advertising seems insignificant, which in my opinion is not the case here. Maybe i should ask theymos. I'm new in reporting, i started reporting a couple of days ago when i saw a massive spam, maybe more than 100 accounts. So i'm sorry for my noob questions.

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Quote from: SuperTA on July 31, 2019, 09:36:12 AM

Ok, i'm sorry but then i don't understand this rule

"24. Advertisements (including signatures within the post area) in posts aren't allowed unless the post is in a thread you started and is really substantial and useful."

Maybe if you open your thread it's considered useful and you can advertise. I'm confused. Is there any case where user opened a thread and wasn't useful?

I believe rule 24 is in the context of threads that you have not started for the purpose of advertising a product.

Think of it like this: if you start a thread for a Gambling site, are you now disallowed from advertising the site in your subsequent posts? You would have to talk about something completely irrelevant (which is in conflict with spam rules) in order to correspond with rule 24.

At the crux of it, the most important rule to keep in mind is that rules are enforced at the moderator's discretion.

24 also relates to the opening posts of very substantial threads, for example pugman's thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/overview-of-bitcointalk-signature-anti-spam-campaign-managers-4412712

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Ok, i'm sorry but then i don't understand this rule

"24. Advertisements (including signatures within the post area) in posts aren't allowed unless the post is in a thread you started and is really substantial and useful."

Maybe if you open your thread it's considered useful and you can advertise. I'm confused. Is there any case where user opened a thread and wasn't useful?

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Quote from: SuperTA on July 31, 2019, 09:21:04 AM

Ok, i won't open new threads for 1 spamer only. I edited for 3 more users/spam. I wonder if the rule still applies? Advertising is not allowed except if the thread is useful. I don't see that it the first users case. I think it's not useful at all. It's obvious the thread is used just for advertising.

Well, yes... because the thread is for their product. I don't understand what you think the problem is here. It's their announcement thread: do you expect them to not update their thread with advertisements?

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Ok, i won't open new threads for 1 spamer only. I edited for 3 more users/spam. I wonder if the rule still applies? Advertising is not allowed except if the thread is useful. I don't see that it the first users case. I think it's not useful at all. It's obvious the thread is used just for advertising.

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Quote from: suchmoon on July 31, 2019, 08:06:07 AM

I guess it depends on how anal the mod is about whether the post serves a purpose or not. I know a few boards where even large images get resized by mods so yes, I can imagine such posts getting merged or deleted but I wouldn't report them.

It's really about the intent of the rule.

Yes, bumps that recycle the same content should be removed. However in this case 85% of the posts on the thread are from OP and the updates don't disrupt the conversation... OP responds and then updates.

If we really wanted to tackle the "bump crisis" then just look at the Russian Бapaxoлкa child board (e.g. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2688283.0;all)

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Quote from: marlboroza on July 31, 2019, 06:48:20 AM

Quote from: BadBear on March 06, 2014, 02:27:20 AM

4. Bumps are limited to once per day (24 hours), yes this includes "updates", that's what the edit button is for. Old bumps should be deleted as they serve no purpose, and only clutter up topics and make it more annoying to read.

Successive "updates" are moderated (removed or merged), PM for example.

I guess it depends on how anal the mod is about whether the post serves a purpose or not. I know a few boards where even large images get resized by mods so yes, I can imagine such posts getting merged or deleted but I wouldn't report them.

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Quote from: suchmoon on July 30, 2019, 06:00:10 PM

I think rule 21 makes sense only for posts like this:

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Bump

BadBear mentioned this:

Quote from: BadBear on March 06, 2014, 02:27:20 AM

4. Bumps are limited to once per day (24 hours), yes this includes "updates", that's what the edit button is for. Old bumps should be deleted as they serve no purpose, and only clutter up topics and make it more annoying to read.

Successive "updates" are moderated (removed or merged), PM for example.

Quote from: suchmoon on July 30, 2019, 06:00:10 PM

There are bigger fish to fry.

Of course, the way OP presented it, for a second I thought someone created new account and spammed 80 messages to advertise something, which is not the case here.

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Let's just be responsible and report posts when we see them spam.
Creating a thread every time we see a spam posters won't help much because if we try to look closely, we will see a lot of newbie spammers in the forum.

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Quote from: SuperTA on July 30, 2019, 08:23:31 PM

Can you report user instead of reporting all of his messages?

No, but you can report one of his posts and tell the mod to check his post history. If you need to provide more info, you can even link a thread with all the details about him.

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Can you report user instead of reporting all of his messages?

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Quote from: SuperTA on July 30, 2019, 07:58:53 PM

What about this user, spamming the same copy paste message 7x today on multiple topics.

That one is worth reporting. Spams sale threads of other users, not cool.

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Quote from: marlboroza on July 30, 2019, 05:12:36 PM

"bumping thread without removing last bump"

Even that is a huge stretch. Most of those are valid posts with content in them and arguably not subject to rule 21:

Quote from: mprep on July 21, 2014, 12:27:51 PM

13. Bumps, "updates" are limited to once per 24 hours.[2]

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21. Old bumps should be deleted. [2]

I think rule 21 makes sense only for posts like this:

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Bump

There are bigger fish to fry.

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Quote from: SuperTA on July 30, 2019, 04:42:56 PM

This user used at least 8 different threads to spamm this link!

It is one thread, they changed title above post.

Move it to meta, report posts and write in comments "bumping thread without removing last bump" or something, but to be honest I don't see how is bumping one thread less than 80 times during 2.5 years spam.

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