Speculation on newer bigger badder gpus. How far can we go?

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Quote from: zer0k on April 09, 2017, 11:01:00 AM

You can already get a TitanXP that beats even non-reference 1080ti's pretty easily Cheesy

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/nvidia-titan-xp-is-faster-as-custom-gtx-1080-ti.html

Titan Xp - 3840 cuda cores, 12GB GDDR5X, 547.7GH/s memory bandwidth
1080ti - 3584 cuda cores, 11GB GDDR5X, 484GH/s memory bandwidth

And lower clock rates than the 1080 ti, it's quite a bit more even on actual performance than you think.

For reference - the Titan X Pascal PREDATED the 1080 ti - the 1080 ti is basically a "one section disabled" version of the same GPU (partly to help with yield) that clocks ballpark 10% higher to get to the same total power usage.

The Zotac "mini" isn't actually all that short - it's almost identical length to my Sapphire RX 470 blower-style cards, works out to ballpark an inch shorter.
It does appear to be the smallest 1080 model at this time though.

The Gigabyte "ITX" single-fan GTX 1070, THAT is a short card. 7" long almost exactly COUNTING the "flange" on the mounting bracket.

I don't see any possibility of anyone making a low profile 1070, much less a low profile 1070 - but I AM supprised that nobody makes a 1060 3GB low profile, or that the ONLY RX series low-profile is the AMD WX-series workstation varient on the RX 460.

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Quote from: SaBit on April 10, 2017, 02:45:38 PM

Would that 1080ti work in that rig. 700 is cheap compared to building a dedicated rig

the smaller zotac with the blower would fit the aorus 1080 ti is a beast

https://www.amazon.com/ZOTAC-GeForce-Founders-Graphics-ZT-P10810A-10P/dp/B06XDN4TXK/ref=sr_1_1?

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Would that 1080ti work in that rig. 700 is cheap compared to building a dedicated rig

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Quote from: SaBit on April 10, 2017, 02:19:38 PM

Quote from: philipma1957 on April 10, 2017, 12:52:34 PM

Quote from: SaBit on April 10, 2017, 12:05:38 PM

Hi Phil,

What software do you use to mine? I'm keen to try my hand at mining alt coins.

Edit - question 1 answered I read your signature

Also, is it feasible/possible to slap one or two of those into a machine which currently acts as a home server and keep its current function and just use the Gpu to mine?

Okay amd is smOS

smOS is a dedicated linux you lose the pc for other stuff

nvidia is

EMBF_ in a windows 7 pro box . If you mine zec the pc can do other shit.

the better the cpu and 2 sticks of 8gb or more ram in the server you can run the nvidia in the background.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ewbfs-cuda-zcash-miner-1707546

If you want amd in the background mining you need a windows box or a linux not dedicated to smos

there are at least 4 dedicated linux setups

nvOC -- for nvidia
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/os-nvoc-easy-to-use-linux-nvidia-mining-1854250

smos -- for amd
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mining-os-simpleminingnet-manage-your-gpu-farm-the-easy-way-30-days-free-1541084

eliovp has one for the pandaminer
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/announcing-os-1757132

ethos https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ethos-ethereum-mining-platform-1341641

Thanks! I've got an oldish I7 with 16gb ram and a gazillion hard drives, a 1000w PSu Windows 10 and no Gpu, primarily use it for Plex - I am terrified of reloading an OS for fear of losing 20+tb of media in my clunky old raid setup

I'll try an Nvidia in there - just need to check that I have a pci slot that doesn't have a raid card and I could be in for just the price of the Gpu

yeah if this is the case you could try a cheap nvidia like a 1060 or 1070

but my nvidia knowledge is limited as to which 1070 or 1060 would be a good one

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Quote from: philipma1957 on April 10, 2017, 12:52:34 PM

Quote from: SaBit on April 10, 2017, 12:05:38 PM

Hi Phil,

What software do you use to mine? I'm keen to try my hand at mining alt coins.

Edit - question 1 answered I read your signature

Also, is it feasible/possible to slap one or two of those into a machine which currently acts as a home server and keep its current function and just use the Gpu to mine?

Okay amd is smOS

smOS is a dedicated linux you lose the pc for other stuff

nvidia is

EMBF_ in a windows 7 pro box . If you mine zec the pc can do other shit.

the better the cpu and 2 sticks of 8gb or more ram in the server you can run the nvidia in the background.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ewbfs-cuda-zcash-miner-1707546

If you want amd in the background mining you need a windows box or a linux not dedicated to smos

there are at least 4 dedicated linux setups

nvOC -- for nvidia
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/os-nvoc-easy-to-use-linux-nvidia-mining-1854250

smos -- for amd
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mining-os-simpleminingnet-manage-your-gpu-farm-the-easy-way-30-days-free-1541084

eliovp has one for the pandaminer
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/announcing-os-1757132

ethos https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ethos-ethereum-mining-platform-1341641

Thanks! I've got an oldish I7 with 16gb ram and a gazillion hard drives, a 1000w PSu Windows 10 and no Gpu, primarily use it for Plex - I am terrified of reloading an OS for fear of losing 20+tb of media in my clunky old raid setup

I'll try an Nvidia in there - just need to check that I have a pci slot that doesn't have a raid card and I could be in for just the price of the Gpu

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Quote from: SaBit on April 10, 2017, 12:05:38 PM

Hi Phil,

What software do you use to mine? I'm keen to try my hand at mining alt coins.

Edit - question 1 answered I read your signature

Also, is it feasible/possible to slap one or two of those into a machine which currently acts as a home server and keep its current function and just use the Gpu to mine?

Okay amd is smOS

smOS is a dedicated linux you lose the pc for other stuff

nvidia is

EMBF_ in a windows 7 pro box . If you mine zec the pc can do other shit.

the better the cpu and 2 sticks of 8gb or more ram in the server you can run the nvidia in the background.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ewbfs-cuda-zcash-miner-1707546

If you want amd in the background mining you need a windows box or a linux not dedicated to smos

there are at least 4 dedicated linux setups

nvOC -- for nvidia
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/os-nvoc-easy-to-use-linux-nvidia-mining-1854250

smos -- for amd
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mining-os-simpleminingnet-manage-your-gpu-farm-the-easy-way-30-days-free-1541084

eliovp has one for the pandaminer
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/announcing-os-1757132

ethos https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ethos-ethereum-mining-platform-1341641

SaBit

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Hi Phil,

What software do you use to mine? I'm keen to try my hand at mining alt coins.

Edit - question 1 answered I read your signature

Also, is it feasible/possible to slap one or two of those into a machine which currently acts as a home server and keep its current function and just use the Gpu to mine?

philipma1957

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Quote from: adaseb on April 10, 2017, 02:42:17 AM

Even though your 1080 Ti does 700h/s, it costs $700. A pair of old 7970's costing <$200 does the same speed. They would use double the watts but with decent electrity rates it would still end up being more profitable in the long run.

My profit model includes:

1) sale of gear. I have customers waiting.
2) density I have limited space.
3) cost of power my winter rates adjusted for using the heat are 9 cents my summer rates adjusted for extra cooling are 20 cents.

I am pretty happy with the price as I can do 700h for 210-220 watts 1400h for 420-430 watts

So during winter rates which end June 1 the pair of cards cost me 31 dollars a month about 1 dollar a day

during the summer the pair of cards cost me 62 dollars maybe 65 dollars a month say 2.05 a day.

1400 h is about 9 usd a day in earnings.

so I make 8 bucks a day in the winter and 7 bucks a day in the summer

By the time it is Oct 1 and back to winter rates I should be at 840 + 400 = 1240 cash back on the 2 cards. I paid 1484 for them so on OCT 1 they will be at 264 net

I will be selling them and should be able to find buyers for them at 400-500 each so 900 - 264 = 636 profit on 1484 invested in under 6 months.

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Even though your 1080 Ti does 700h/s, it costs $700. A pair of old 7970's costing <$200 does the same speed. They would use double the watts but with decent electrity rates it would still end up being more profitable in the long run.

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Quote from: sirslayer on April 09, 2017, 07:27:19 PM

Nice, Zotac mini is half length for sure !!! if its half height and takes a single slot space then it would be perfect!! maybe by year 2018 it can happen!!

Single slot high end cards are not that popular , gamer chillings lots of money need some big bad ass cooler with lots of flashy colours.

Here is single slot 1070 GTX , same can be done for 1080 but no body will buy it .

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/single-slot-galax-geforce-gtx-1070-gets-tested.html

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nice!! I have the amd 360 version of that . is there a Nvidia that can match that?? for small form factor or even from AMD in half height?? I really think that is the future , half height half length cards!!!

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this card is small and mines about 11mh for eth

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150788

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just for kicks, i found this and i think its the smallest and some what powerful videocard for Nvidia .. its a joke compared to today video cards but it a start..

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=1142665&gclid=Cj0KEQjwt6fHBRDtm9O8xPPHq4gBEiQAdxotvCEwnfMJY0x7UBd_Fd_UCj97UQLVLIX0Z1jgYmgSQ6gaAqjg8P8HAQ&Q=&ap=y&c3api=1876%2C%7Bcreative%7D%2C%7Bkeyword%7D&is=REG&A=details

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Nice, Zotac mini is half length for sure !!! if its half height and takes a single slot space then it would be perfect!! maybe by year 2018 it can happen!!

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Quote from: sirslayer on April 09, 2017, 07:10:55 PM

it would be neat to see a powerhouse like a nvidia 1080 shrink down to a half height half length profile.

the zotac mini is fairly small https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500414&cm_re=zotac_1080_mini-_-14-500-414-_-Product

Form Factor & Dimensions
Max GPU Length
211 mm
Card Dimensions (L x H)
8.31" x 4.92"
Slot Width
Dual Slot

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it would be neat to see a powerhouse like a nvidia 1080 shrink down to a half height half length profile.

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Quote from: Tmdz on April 09, 2017, 05:09:34 PM

In 2-4 years...

HBM low cost version will be out for mid-range

HBM3 will be out for high end

HBM chips are "stacked" and installed on the logic board next to the cpu, which makes compact cards possible (such as with r9 nano). As well for better speeds.

Currently hbm/hbm2 stacks are expensive to manufacturer but "hbm3" and "hbm low cost" will be much cheaper to produce.

You will see high end hbm3 cards with as much as 64gb on board ram and speeds in terabyte range. One of the advantages of hbm3 is double density dies for greater memory capacity.

They will also have lower energy consumption.

I think this will probably be the future and Samsung is sinking a lot of money into this technology.

Thanks I was looking for info like this....

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In 2-4 years...

HBM low cost version will be out for mid-range

HBM3 will be out for high end

HBM chips are "stacked" and installed on the logic board next to the cpu, which makes compact cards possible (such as with r9 nano). As well for better speeds.

Currently hbm/hbm2 stacks are expensive to manufacturer but "hbm3" and "hbm low cost" will be much cheaper to produce.

You will see high end hbm3 cards with as much as 64gb on board ram and speeds in terabyte range. One of the advantages of hbm3 is double density dies for greater memory capacity.

They will also have lower energy consumption.

I think this will probably be the future and Samsung is sinking a lot of money into this technology.

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Quote from: Za1n on April 09, 2017, 12:43:19 PM

Quote from: philipma1957 on April 09, 2017, 08:48:37 AM

Okay I just got what is one of the fastest ZEC mining gpus in the world a Nvidia AORUS 1080 ti

It does over 700 h easy with good power numbers.

If you don't mind, could you expand upon the good power numbers portion?

I was thinking about picking one of these up for my gaming rig thinking I could mine ZEC during off-hours (when I am not gaming). However, I would like a little more information on the cost of operation. Since I wouldn't have the benefit of multiple GPU's to offset the system (mobo, cpu, etc.) wattage overhead, I need to work the numbers a bit to see if it would be a viable choice.

1 card with an i5 6400 t cpu on a biostar z170 board and an evga 750 p2 psu can do 700h using 220 watts at the k-a-watt meter.

I am more of a rookie with nvidia so the 3.182 h a watt at the wall can be tweaked better 700 h is about 130 usd a month 24/7 doing zec

10 cent power would cost about 18 bucks a month

so 1 card will profit you close to 110 a month mining 24/7

settings
70% power
+125 core
+300 memory
fan at 75%

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Quote from: philipma1957 on April 09, 2017, 08:48:37 AM

Okay I just got what is one of the fastest ZEC mining gpus in the world a Nvidia AORUS 1080 ti

It does over 700 h easy with good power numbers.

If you don't mind, could you expand upon the good power numbers portion?

I was thinking about picking one of these up for my gaming rig thinking I could mine ZEC during off-hours (when I am not gaming). However, I would like a little more information on the cost of operation. Since I wouldn't have the benefit of multiple GPU's to offset the system (mobo, cpu, etc.) wattage overhead, I need to work the numbers a bit to see if it would be a viable choice.

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