Stake scammed me $40,000 AVOID AT ALL COST - page 2.

homelesskid

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Quote from: robelneo on March 20, 2022, 03:50:06 AM

Quote from: homelesskid on March 19, 2022, 09:38:33 PM

Quote from: JeromeTash on March 19, 2022, 04:46:15 PM

Quote from: homelesskid on March 18, 2022, 06:30:15 PM

sorry im not sure why images are so blurry but I uploaded higher quality with a new URL just now

It's still the same URL in the OP.

Anyway, reading from your last screenshot shared in this thread. The support said: "You must know that this is not obligatory, and you can refuse this action, but restriction will stay active"

It's pretty clear what he said.

In other words;

It's not a must that you should verify.
You have two choices;

1. Choose to verify and get your account unlocked.
2. Choose not to verify and keep the account restricted.

try now, ill put the link here as well just in case

https://imgur.com/a/GftdX4K

This is the kind of situation that I don't want to be in, but I like to ask OP how do you want to see this end because everything is pointing for you to do KYC so things will be settled is it a no or a yes only you can answer this, even if a player doesn't have this amount, or any violation committed Stake can request KYC if they think there is an irregularity on your account, if I am in your shoes if I think I have no violation committed I'll just proceed with the KYC to prove that I'm clean, but if I'm hiding something I'll have second thought going for it.

id want at least my initial deposit back, crypto is suppose to be anonymous but i am being forced. If in the end they hold even my initial id have no choice but to go back to my country where it is legal and get the necessary documents since I am currently working at another country. I'd prefer not to kyc just the fact that I was a victim of a data leak and am afraid that it can happen again. It would also be a hassle to ditch my work ethics just to go back to my country where it will also take time to get the necessary documents needed

Pmalek

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Quote from: Saisher on March 20, 2022, 08:28:13 AM

Based on the TOS it will be confiscated
...
it's clearly stated that it will be confiscated...

Can you point me to the part in their TOS where that is written. I took a quick look and found only this:

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Without prejudice to any other rights, if a User breaches in whole or in part any provision contained herein, Stake reserves the right to take such action as it sees fit, including terminating this Agreement or any other agreement in place with the User and/or taking legal action against such User.

https://stake.com/policies/terms

At least based on this information it's not clear that money can be confiscated. However, by saying they can take any action they see fit, the confiscation of funds is also one possibility.
Did you find something else in their TOS?

Saisher

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Quote from: Pmalek on March 20, 2022, 06:28:08 AM

The only question that needs to be answered is does Stake have the right to claim a player's entire deposit in case of a breech of the TOS? And if the player undergoes KYC and it is proven that he resides in a restricted country, can he still get his deposit back or not?

Based on the TOS it will be confiscated, if they allow getting back the deposit there's a possibility of abuse, it's clearly stated that it will be confiscated, maybe he can strike a deal or ask for forgiveness, there's nothing on OP's post that he will agree to undergo a KYC but he can try what I'm suggesting.

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Quote from: robelneo on March 20, 2022, 03:50:06 AM

This is the kind of situation that I don't want to be in, but I like to ask OP how do you want to see this end because everything is pointing for you to do KYC so things will be settled is it a no or a yes only you can answer this...

There is no need for KYC because OP has already admitted gambling from a restricted location. Therefore, he shouldn't be on Stake in the first place. He knows that fully well, that's why he used a VPN to bypass the restrictions.

His attempt of a defense is childish. Saying that other people do it as well is like complaining to the police why they arrested you for beating up and robbing your neighbor when people all around the world do it and get away with it. That doesn't mean it's legal. It just means they weren't caught, but you were.

The only question that needs to be answered is does Stake have the right to claim a player's entire deposit in case of a breech of the TOS? And if the player undergoes KYC and it is proven that he resides in a restricted country, can he still get his deposit back or not?

robelneo

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Quote from: homelesskid on March 19, 2022, 09:38:33 PM

Quote from: JeromeTash on March 19, 2022, 04:46:15 PM

Quote from: homelesskid on March 18, 2022, 06:30:15 PM

sorry im not sure why images are so blurry but I uploaded higher quality with a new URL just now

It's still the same URL in the OP.

Anyway, reading from your last screenshot shared in this thread. The support said: "You must know that this is not obligatory, and you can refuse this action, but restriction will stay active"

It's pretty clear what he said.

In other words;

It's not a must that you should verify.
You have two choices;

1. Choose to verify and get your account unlocked.
2. Choose not to verify and keep the account restricted.

try now, ill put the link here as well just in case

https://imgur.com/a/GftdX4K

This is the kind of situation that I don't want to be in, but I like to ask OP how do you want to see this end because everything is pointing for you to do KYC so things will be settled is it a no or a yes only you can answer this, even if a player doesn't have this amount, or any violation committed Stake can request KYC if they think there is an irregularity on your account, if I am in your shoes if I think I have no violation committed I'll just proceed with the KYC to prove that I'm clean, but if I'm hiding something I'll have second thought going for it.

homelesskid

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Quote from: JeromeTash on March 19, 2022, 04:46:15 PM

Quote from: homelesskid on March 18, 2022, 06:30:15 PM

sorry im not sure why images are so blurry but I uploaded higher quality with a new URL just now

It's still the same URL in the OP.

Anyway, reading from your last screenshot shared in this thread. The support said: "You must know that this is not obligatory, and you can refuse this action, but restriction will stay active"

It's pretty clear what he said.

In other words;

It's not a must that you should verify.
You have two choices;

1. Choose to verify and get your account unlocked.
2. Choose not to verify and keep the account restricted.

try now, ill put the link here as well just in case

https://imgur.com/a/GftdX4K

Saisher

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After reading comments here it's unfair to Stake to have a thread like this big caps and accusing them of stealing when the fact is it's OP's deed that leads to why he cannot withdraw his earnings, there are people who will disregard the rules and threaten to spread that they are scammers, I still believe in Stake reputation and I guess all the others here share my opinion, Stake did not have to answer the accusation, based on what he posted he is at fault here.

coin-investor

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Quote from: JeromeTash on March 19, 2022, 04:46:15 PM

Quote from: homelesskid on March 18, 2022, 06:30:15 PM

sorry im not sure why images are so blurry but I uploaded higher quality with a new URL just now

It's still the same URL in the OP.

Anyway, reading from your last screenshot shared in this thread. The support said: "You must know that this is not obligatory, and you can refuse this action, but restriction will stay active"

It's pretty clear what he said.

In other words;

It's not a must that you should verify.
You have two choices;

1. Choose to verify and get your account unlocked.
2. Choose not to verify and keep the account restricted.

The first one is the only option if you want to have a chance to recover your winning very little chance but you have no other option the other option means you surrender your claim to that huge amount of money it's risky because they can establish that you are breaking the TOS
they can confiscate your winnings and disable your account unless you can attach a request or pleading and hope that luck is on your side.
the situation is very hard this is something that you don't want to be, you've won a very huge amount but you have broken the rules and cannot withdraw that amount, this is one situation that any gamblers don't want to be.

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Quote from: homelesskid on March 18, 2022, 06:30:15 PM

sorry im not sure why images are so blurry but I uploaded higher quality with a new URL just now

It's still the same URL in the OP.

Anyway, reading from your last screenshot shared in this thread. The support said: "You must know that this is not obligatory, and you can refuse this action, but restriction will stay active"

It's pretty clear what he said.

In other words;

It's not a must that you should verify.
You have two choices;

1. Choose to verify and get your account unlocked.
2. Choose not to verify and keep the account restricted.

NotATether

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OP's predicament aside, it would be nice if casinos sent you an email stating that they have blocked your account for , at the time the offence is discovered by the casino. So that the players do not deposit and play with more money after that.

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Quote from: judeafante on March 19, 2022, 07:14:09 AM

Quote from: Mahdirakib on March 19, 2022, 04:09:14 AM

Quote from: homelesskid on March 18, 2022, 06:45:24 PM

the screenshot I uploaded even the support said themselves I am not obligated to KYC

Have you read the full message of their support? It is true that you aren't obligated to complete the KYC verification. But they have also mentioned that the restrictions will stay active on your account and you won't be able to withdraw your funds if you don't go through the verification process.

No way to go but do a KYC you cannot hire someone to do a KYC for you because your issue has been exposed it's now settled that they are not trying to scam you but it's your action that caused you to lose your $40k you have to request the support to just refund you, you are now on their mercy if they will grant your request.
We have so many posts, discussions, and advice here of violating the rules and not taking into consideration the TOS and this is one costly mistake for not reading and understanding the rules.

That's a huge money and I'll do everything to recover it, I'm still wondering why they are still afraid to fill up KYC form considering that there's a huge money involve and many gamblers area really fine with the KYC as long as they are safe. Not reading the TOS can cost you a lot, to avoid this kind of problem better to ask first if KYC will be asked later on and if you are not ok with that, avoid depositing big money because restrictions will impose against you if ever.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on March 19, 2022, 04:09:14 AM

Quote from: homelesskid on March 18, 2022, 06:45:24 PM

the screenshot I uploaded even the support said themselves I am not obligated to KYC

Have you read the full message of their support? It is true that you aren't obligated to complete the KYC verification. But they have also mentioned that the restrictions will stay active on your account and you won't be able to withdraw your funds if you don't go through the verification process.

No way to go but do a KYC you cannot hire someone to do a KYC for you because your issue has been exposed it's now settled that they are not trying to scam you but it's your action that caused you to lose your $40k you have to request the support to just refund you, you are now on their mercy if they will grant your request.
We have so many posts, discussions, and advice here of violating the rules and not taking into consideration the TOS and this is one costly mistake for not reading and understanding the rules.

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Quote from: homelesskid on March 18, 2022, 06:45:24 PM

the screenshot I uploaded even the support said themselves I am not obligated to KYC

Have you read the full message of their support? It is true that you aren't obligated to complete the KYC verification. But they have also mentioned that the restrictions will stay active on your account and you won't be able to withdraw your funds if you don't go through the verification process.

coin-investor

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Quote from: homelesskid on March 18, 2022, 06:45:24 PM

the screenshot I uploaded even the support said themselves I am not obligated to KYC

Between the two it's what the TOS that will be followed you are not obligated but Stakes reserves the right at any time to ask for KYC, the support can change their stance based on their interpretation, but there's nothing on the TOS that you are not obligated to do KYC and can withdraw your earnings, you may proceed and take the risk but it will come down on your decision now, you can suggest a deal or ask them to render a deal and hope that it's a deal that you can accept.

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Stake reserves the right, at any time, to ask for any KYC documentation it deems necessary to determine the identity and location of a User. Stake reserves the right to restrict the Service, payment or withdrawal until identity is sufficiently determined,

homelesskid

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on March 18, 2022, 04:22:02 AM

Quote from: homelesskid on March 17, 2022, 11:33:09 PM

According to their terms of service you are not OBLIGATED to KYC but I am forced and not offer an alternative like to most people I've seen for withdrawal mode if unable to verify KYC. Unfortunately yes I am unable to KYC.

Where you found those terms? According to the terms of Stake

Quote from: homelesskid on March 18, 2022, 12:46:15 AM

Stake is supposed to be VPN friendly most of their workers as well as owner is from restricted country and so am I.

Have you ever read the terms of Stake? Seems like you were fully aware that you are living in a restricted location. Don't try to take the situation on your favour by saying that the workers and streamers are from restricted places. They aren't telling anyone to play at Stake from the restricted places. So, it doesn't matter from where they are. Stake terms about the usage of VPN

Quote from: yahoo62278 on March 18, 2022, 12:54:00 AM

Normally I would say stake should refund your initial deposit, but I think those days are long gone. People need to be taught a hard lesson otherwise more and more users will keep trying to break the rules.

Indeed, OP is trying to break the terms by giving some useless reference. He will create new account again at Stake if they allow him to withdraw his money without taking any action. Eventually, he will continue the same process by addressing this as reference.

the screenshot I uploaded even the support said themselves I am not obligated to KYC

homelesskid

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Quote from: JeromeTash on March 18, 2022, 04:58:18 PM

Quote from: homelesskid on March 17, 2022, 11:33:09 PM

https://imgur.com/a/qIK595r

The images you just shared are so small. The text is so almost impossible to read.

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LINK to the chat history I had with 2 separate supports in one chat. They accused me of having multiple accounts at first but when I question who was I linked to they have no comment because I did not have multiple accounts and why would I?

Probably it's because you could have used A VPN. Remember VPNs can be used by so many people. The only way of proving to them your innocence is by going through KYC verification, which you don't want to do.

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BUT I can still keep on betting??

Why do you continue betting if your account is blocked? Roll Eyes

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they have me KYC with no warning and did not offer me withdrawal mode until I verify.

The KYC warning is already in the ToS, did you read them before signing up?

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Unfortunately yes I am unable to KYC.

Why?

sorry im not sure why images are so blurry but I uploaded higher quality with a new URL just now

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Sometime ago stake froze my account which had about 100 thousand dollars when I reached out to them I was told o had exceeded my bet limit I was able to place bets but not withdraw my assets I reached to a US company at adminctrackltd(at) protonmail(dot) com that specializes in crypto assets recovery,they recoverd my frozen funds on stake.

Funny

Here comes another shameless scammer. Create a brand-new account, login, and then boom. This is the first post they see and claim how they were once a victim too but were helped by some random crypto recovery company.

Thanks for wasting your time here, we don't fall for such bullshit.

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Quote from: coin-investor on March 18, 2022, 05:31:25 PM

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Sometime ago stake froze my account which had about 100 thousand dollars when I reached out to them I was told o had exceeded my bet limit I was able to place bets but not withdraw my assets I reached to a US company at adminctrackltd(at) protonmail(dot) com that specializes in crypto assets recovery,they recoverd my frozen funds on stake.

Oh really if this is really true why not post the company name, if you broke the TOS and already made a decision based on what's fair no company can reverse it, this is the kind of offer I received from anonymous people in telegram about company services which can help you recover your lost money from trading and casino, better careful on what this guy is offering unless he can show us proof of what's he is offering.

Scammers can use different faces and I do agree with you, better be careful with unsolicited services because they will further dupe you into worse situation. And serious services like this should have their own domain name. If they see that the amount involve is large, they will try to get on board hoping that they will further exhaust money from you by offering bogus services. So be cautious!

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This is the cost of avoiding the ToS and not reading it at all. They have the right to freeze your account the moment you violate the ToS.
If you can provide KYC and didn't violate any rules and regulations, then it is still possible to recover but in your case I doubt on this.

The site will never inform you if they are going to freeze your account to avoid immediate withdrawal. So learn from this lesson and never violate their ToS. Using VPN is quiet risky as well.

Quote from: ?? on ??

Sometime ago stake froze my account which had about 100 thousand dollars when I reached out to them I was told o had exceeded my bet limit I was able to place bets but not withdraw my assets I reached to a US company at adminctrackltd(at) protonmail(dot) com that specializes in crypto assets recovery,they recoverd my frozen funds on stake.

I'm just wondering why many are attacking Stake nowadays? Any proof on this?

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Sometime ago stake froze my account which had about 100 thousand dollars when I reached out to them I was told o had exceeded my bet limit I was able to place bets but not withdraw my assets I reached to a US company at adminctrackltd(at) protonmail(dot) com that specializes in crypto assets recovery,they recoverd my frozen funds on stake.

Oh really if this is really true why not post the company name, if you broke the TOS and already made a decision based on what's fair no company can reverse it, this is the kind of offer I received from anonymous people in telegram about company services which can help you recover your lost money from trading and casino, better careful on what this guy is offering unless he can show us proof of what's he is offering.

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