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legendary
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July 15, 2023, 04:29:35 PM
#39

puppets just go to the link


https://youtu.be/ObDAXqg9O3U

https://www.sportskeeda.com/esports/news-who-ed-craven-everything-need-know-kick-s-co-founder


we are literally putting money in a scamsters pocket.

anyways goodluck being someone who is pretending to be. watch this video your eyes would be open


I have seen the video and believe me anyone can produce such a hateful video. I do not say that everything would be good at gambling sites but still, there are things that are not the reality.

If you think that stake is a scam, then you better avoid playing there and rather I would say you should quit gambling for once. The gambling houses will always have the edge and you need to understand this fact. There are other sites worse than Stake that may scam you, which are not transparent, which are new and not to be trusted.

Finally, a food for thought for you is how much Stake.com has grown over the years, a SCAM family / non-family BUSINESS can't reach that heights or can they?
hero member
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I haven't bet on this website or even have an account with them, but from my investigation here in this forum I understand that stake.com is reliable site that has gained popularity over the forum for years and now and has little or less scam accusations. From my point of view I wouldn't mind to say that you are at the fault because I know too well that if you didn't violate the rules there isn't any way you could get issues from the site and I believe that stake can't in any way scam you without any cogent reason partaining their actions.
newbie
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1.motion sensors are just a part where they take your patterns, but they have to give you a loosing result as well. the hash are manipulated and highly biased. do you agree on that ??
2.tell me what authority curcao have for a billion dollar company to be registered. , also et us know do you work for stake or stake pays you .
3.hash manipulation is the only way with motion sensor to give you losses, there is nothing about luck only manipulation .
4. if you have questions mail me to [email protected] , i would be travelling for week .


1. Like... they use accelerometer [that detect movement, tilt, and the orientation of the device], gyrometer [that detect device's angle and rotation] and, probably at the most stretched one, proximity sensor [that detect device's surrounding against object, mostly to help them turn the screen on and off] to detect our gambling pattern? How? How does these sensors being used to read our pattern? Like it read our PC's screen position? Or how close our face to the screen that could indicate the seriousness and intensity of our concentration against a bet?

2. Last I check, no, Stake didn't pay me and certainly I did not work for them. I barely even have any contact with any of their representative. Thank you for asking, though.

3. For hash manipulation, you have Stunna's answer for that already, for the part of motion sensor, well, that's where you explain to us how, like the entire point being presented/asked by me on number 1.

4. Just the motion sensors being utilized to cheat you by reading your betting pattern for now. And thank you, but I prefer a public discussion where everybody can read and access the information, so let's stay here instead of moving somewhere more private. After all, your whole point is to expose Stake, is it not? Why move to a private email if the forum provide you with a better means? Please bear in mind of what Stunna said as his first response on this thread, this section operates on proof, not FUD. So if you can provide adequate evidences, I'd really appreciate it and the community will be very much grateful.




1. I just come to an observation , whenever stunna contradicts any post related to stake.com , you come as a  saviour of stake.com , if you have balls come from a real id man .
2. i have explained you above how they manipulate bets. in theory , however i will be happy  to show you calculation at the correct time
3. why do they have sensors on website ,  i would like you to run a light house report. it is not to detect , do they have to record the pixel position and storke entry on their website as well.
4. if you would run a light house report kn brave then you would come to know.
5. Its not FUD , its reality.
6. stunna says all the results are predetermined , and stake support says everything is dependent on luck. seeds are dependent upon luck , but results are calculated and thus manipulated using recursive length extension attacks , and use of sponge functions.
7. if you check my another post i have showed, betids coming as ... as the sponge function requires time to calculate the result dependent kn the corresponding hash. and betid assigned to the system is printed after that. Thats the reason the betid and livestats and bets are not showing , they fucking call it slow mode. but in reality the sponge functions calculates ti gives you a loss on the same nonce.
https://youtu.be/h1xy7S5FI3w
8. you didnt answered 2. my question about registeration of company in Curcao, while the owners are in serbia australia or wherever. You dont know anything about funnelling the money. thru Meebit sweepstakes and bs companies.
9. Also i want you to comment on Eddies ties to his father who ran stock exchange scam in 90s.like father likewise son.

Ok, so, first we went into normal and the conventional paragraphed posts, and then you talk on points of which I replied in exact correspondence for each point you proposed, and then from the 4 points, there are 9 now, of which I can't surely tell what point is related to what, so I'll make it easy and resort to just replying you in general.

About Stake, well, now you know that I am not related to Stake. You misunderstand inquiry for details backed by proofs and being a saviour. And for the nth times, I am not interested on knowing how they cheated bets with hash etc. in theory or in calculation. I came from your thread about the claim where they use motion sensors to manipulate bets, and for this time being, I am strictly interested to get to the bottom of that, I appreciate if you can answer in details the basis of your accusation while its been explained on the other thread that the motion sensors are probably meant for the mobile users and/or used to determine if the visitor is a bot or human.

[...]
[...]
As it turns out, one person has dug down to the very bottom of this mystery; that person is Grant Winny, a developer from Ohio. Grant followed the code trail after noticing the motion sensor alert on several sites, including the same site we visited, Pizza Hut:

It turns out that this is a function that Akamai is behind. Akamai is a massive online content and content delivery system. Grant Winny concluded that this is a script developed by Akamai to determine whether a visitor to a website (i.e. the visitor’s web browser) is a bot, saying that it is “using sensor data like accelerometer capabilities to determine whether a requestor is a bot or not.” (You can read his very in-depth analysis of the whats, wheres, and whys here.) [...]
[...]

I didn't check your youtube video as I am strongly believe it's about those hash etc. again, while I've made clear which part I am being curios about. Clarify that situation and I might ventured into other aspect you proposed. As for why I am not replying the part about curacao because I am not sure if I misunderstood your question or you're not familiar with Curacao licensing system and would prefer to see it as a gibberish until you provide more context. Of which you did, although still vaguely.

If I may assume you're asking why they, a billion dollars worth company, choose to have curacao gambling license instead of having on their own, well I am not their shareholders and decision maker [I am sure that point is well established at this point?] so I can't be certain why they did that, but if I may give my honest opinion, it's the same reason why other companies also have their license in Curacao. It's easy, govt. didn't make it too complicated, and yet it's quite reliable and trusted by many.

If you pull an assumption that just because they're a Serbian-owned or Australian-owned or Russian-owned or whereverelse-owned and they choose to have a curacao license instead of their own country translates into a shady and a scam practice, then by all means, please make a scam accusations against hundreds of platforms existed. I believe more than half of the platforms on this forum do the same thing. I am honestly interested to see you try to do that and will likely try to allocate my time to read each of your thread from the hundred of it.

Last, Eddie's father... my first reaction when reading it was, "excuse me, what?" you're seriously asking me to judge someone I barely know solely based from his father's reputation, of whom I also barely know? I think I'll decline, I am not that judgmental. One's reputation are not solely and entirely based on their parents' trait. What I can comment on this matter though, is that if we take a look at your thread title, "Family [...] Business" may I suggest you to take a short course, while you're travelling, about "family business". I am not sure about their company's structure, or if that's even a family business at all, but if I take your word for it, I'd suggest you to take a deeper understanding about family business as it has so many branches.

Being labelled as a family business --and I assume you wrote this label based on a concrete proof and undestanding and perhaps legal back up instead of a pure speculation and hate-biased speech?-- does not necessarily means it is run by the family and strictly followed the family's rule and decision, especially on huge corporation. I'll suggest you to focus on the "family-owned business", in the sub-branches that it has, and enrich it with a branch called "family-influenced business". They're all should be available and covered in details in various text books of bachelor-level degree of Business Management major.



puppets just go to the link


https://youtu.be/ObDAXqg9O3U

https://www.sportskeeda.com/esports/news-who-ed-craven-everything-need-know-kick-s-co-founder


we are literally putting money in a scamsters pocket.

anyways goodluck being someone who is pretending to be. watch this video your eyes would be open
legendary
Activity: 2632
Merit: 1462
Yes, I'm an asshole
1.motion sensors are just a part where they take your patterns, but they have to give you a loosing result as well. the hash are manipulated and highly biased. do you agree on that ??
2.tell me what authority curcao have for a billion dollar company to be registered. , also et us know do you work for stake or stake pays you .
3.hash manipulation is the only way with motion sensor to give you losses, there is nothing about luck only manipulation .
4. if you have questions mail me to [email protected] , i would be travelling for week .


1. Like... they use accelerometer [that detect movement, tilt, and the orientation of the device], gyrometer [that detect device's angle and rotation] and, probably at the most stretched one, proximity sensor [that detect device's surrounding against object, mostly to help them turn the screen on and off] to detect our gambling pattern? How? How does these sensors being used to read our pattern? Like it read our PC's screen position? Or how close our face to the screen that could indicate the seriousness and intensity of our concentration against a bet?

2. Last I check, no, Stake didn't pay me and certainly I did not work for them. I barely even have any contact with any of their representative. Thank you for asking, though.

3. For hash manipulation, you have Stunna's answer for that already, for the part of motion sensor, well, that's where you explain to us how, like the entire point being presented/asked by me on number 1.

4. Just the motion sensors being utilized to cheat you by reading your betting pattern for now. And thank you, but I prefer a public discussion where everybody can read and access the information, so let's stay here instead of moving somewhere more private. After all, your whole point is to expose Stake, is it not? Why move to a private email if the forum provide you with a better means? Please bear in mind of what Stunna said as his first response on this thread, this section operates on proof, not FUD. So if you can provide adequate evidences, I'd really appreciate it and the community will be very much grateful.




1. I just come to an observation , whenever stunna contradicts any post related to stake.com , you come as a  saviour of stake.com , if you have balls come from a real id man .
2. i have explained you above how they manipulate bets. in theory , however i will be happy  to show you calculation at the correct time
3. why do they have sensors on website ,  i would like you to run a light house report. it is not to detect , do they have to record the pixel position and storke entry on their website as well.
4. if you would run a light house report kn brave then you would come to know.
5. Its not FUD , its reality.
6. stunna says all the results are predetermined , and stake support says everything is dependent on luck. seeds are dependent upon luck , but results are calculated and thus manipulated using recursive length extension attacks , and use of sponge functions.
7. if you check my another post i have showed, betids coming as ... as the sponge function requires time to calculate the result dependent kn the corresponding hash. and betid assigned to the system is printed after that. Thats the reason the betid and livestats and bets are not showing , they fucking call it slow mode. but in reality the sponge functions calculates ti gives you a loss on the same nonce.
https://youtu.be/h1xy7S5FI3w
8. you didnt answered 2. my question about registeration of company in Curcao, while the owners are in serbia australia or wherever. You dont know anything about funnelling the money. thru Meebit sweepstakes and bs companies.
9. Also i want you to comment on Eddies ties to his father who ran stock exchange scam in 90s.like father likewise son.

Ok, so, first we went into normal and the conventional paragraphed posts, and then you talk on points of which I replied in exact correspondence for each point you proposed, and then from the 4 points, there are 9 now, of which I can't surely tell what point is related to what, so I'll make it easy and resort to just replying you in general.

About Stake, well, now you know that I am not related to Stake. You misunderstand inquiry for details backed by proofs and being a saviour. And for the nth times, I am not interested on knowing how they cheated bets with hash etc. in theory or in calculation. I came from your thread about the claim where they use motion sensors to manipulate bets, and for this time being, I am strictly interested to get to the bottom of that, I appreciate if you can answer in details the basis of your accusation while its been explained on the other thread that the motion sensors are probably meant for the mobile users and/or used to determine if the visitor is a bot or human.

[...]
[...]
As it turns out, one person has dug down to the very bottom of this mystery; that person is Grant Winny, a developer from Ohio. Grant followed the code trail after noticing the motion sensor alert on several sites, including the same site we visited, Pizza Hut:

It turns out that this is a function that Akamai is behind. Akamai is a massive online content and content delivery system. Grant Winny concluded that this is a script developed by Akamai to determine whether a visitor to a website (i.e. the visitor’s web browser) is a bot, saying that it is “using sensor data like accelerometer capabilities to determine whether a requestor is a bot or not.” (You can read his very in-depth analysis of the whats, wheres, and whys here.) [...]
[...]

I didn't check your youtube video as I am strongly believe it's about those hash etc. again, while I've made clear which part I am being curios about. Clarify that situation and I might ventured into other aspect you proposed. As for why I am not replying the part about curacao because I am not sure if I misunderstood your question or you're not familiar with Curacao licensing system and would prefer to see it as a gibberish until you provide more context. Of which you did, although still vaguely.

If I may assume you're asking why they, a billion dollars worth company, choose to have curacao gambling license instead of having on their own, well I am not their shareholders and decision maker [I am sure that point is well established at this point?] so I can't be certain why they did that, but if I may give my honest opinion, it's the same reason why other companies also have their license in Curacao. It's easy, govt. didn't make it too complicated, and yet it's quite reliable and trusted by many.

If you pull an assumption that just because they're a Serbian-owned or Australian-owned or Russian-owned or whereverelse-owned and they choose to have a curacao license instead of their own country translates into a shady and a scam practice, then by all means, please make a scam accusations against hundreds of platforms existed. I believe more than half of the platforms on this forum do the same thing. I am honestly interested to see you try to do that and will likely try to allocate my time to read each of your thread from the hundred of it.

Last, Eddie's father... my first reaction when reading it was, "excuse me, what?" you're seriously asking me to judge someone I barely know solely based from his father's reputation, of whom I also barely know? I think I'll decline, I am not that judgmental, thank you. One's reputation are not solely and entirely based on their parents' trait. What I can comment on this matter though, is that if we take a look at your thread title, "Family [...] Business", may I suggest you to take a short course, while you're travelling, about "family business". I am not sure about their company's structure, or if that's even a family business at all, but if I take your word for it, I'd suggest you to take a deeper understanding about family business as it has so many branches.

Being labelled as a family business --and I assume you wrote this label based on a concrete proof and undestanding and perhaps legal back up instead of a pure speculation and hate-biased speech?-- does not necessarily means it is run by the family and strictly followed the family's rule and decision, especially on huge corporation. I'll suggest you to focus on the "family-owned business", in the sub-branches that it has, and enrich it with a branch called "family-influenced business". They're all should be available and covered in details in various text books of bachelor-level degree of Business Management major.
newbie
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Ive not gone through all the comments, to ascertain whether or not op has supplied any evidence to back his claim, but based on the information shared in the op, I would say that this is just another only allegation, no proof accusation..

How can stake be scam and gamblers are playing in the hundreds of thousands, and the lucky ones winning in the hundreds of thousands as well?, if really stake manipulate their games to make the gambler lose, do they also manipulate sports betting? Which is also another big arm of stake's income generating games?

I will like to really see how this ends..


Good morning. The puppets.

https://youtu.be/ObDAXqg9O3U

here this is for you. it would guide you a bit.
legendary
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Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
Ive not gone through all the comments, to ascertain whether or not op has supplied any evidence to back his claim, but based on the information shared in the op, I would say that this is just another only allegation, no proof accusation..

How can stake be scam and gamblers are playing in the hundreds of thousands, and the lucky ones winning in the hundreds of thousands as well?, if really stake manipulate their games to make the gambler lose, do they also manipulate sports betting? Which is also another big arm of stake's income generating games?

I will like to really see how this ends..
newbie
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1.motion sensors are just a part where they take your patterns, but they have to give you a loosing result as well. the hash are manipulated and highly biased. do you agree on that ??
2.tell me what authority curcao have for a billion dollar company to be registered. , also et us know do you work for stake or stake pays you .
3.hash manipulation is the only way with motion sensor to give you losses, there is nothing about luck only manipulation .
4. if you have questions mail me to [email protected] , i would be travelling for week .


1. Like... they use accelerometer [that detect movement, tilt, and the orientation of the device], gyrometer [that detect device's angle and rotation] and, probably at the most stretched one, proximity sensor [that detect device's surrounding against object, mostly to help them turn the screen on and off] to detect our gambling pattern? How? How does these sensors being used to read our pattern? Like it read our PC's screen position? Or how close our face to the screen that could indicate the seriousness and intensity of our concentration against a bet?

2. Last I check, no, Stake didn't pay me and certainly I did not work for them. I barely even have any contact with any of their representative. Thank you for asking, though.

3. For hash manipulation, you have Stunna's answer for that already, for the part of motion sensor, well, that's where you explain to us how, like the entire point being presented/asked by me on number 1.

4. Just the motion sensors being utilized to cheat you by reading your betting pattern for now. And thank you, but I prefer a public discussion where everybody can read and access the information, so let's stay here instead of moving somewhere more private. After all, your whole point is to expose Stake, is it not? Why move to a private email if the forum provide you with a better means? Please bear in mind of what Stunna said as his first response on this thread, this section operates on proof, not FUD. So if you can provide adequate evidences, I'd really appreciate it and the community will be very much grateful.




1. I just come to an observation , whenever stunna contradicts any post related to stake.com , you come as a  saviour of stake.com , if you have balls come from a real id man .
2. i have explained you above how they manipulate bets. in theory , however i will be happy  to show you calculation at the correct time
3. why do they have sensors on website ,  i would like you to run a light house report. it is not to detect , do they have to record the pixel position and storke entry on their website as well.
4. if you would run a light house report kn brave then you would come to know.
5. Its not FUD , its reality.
6. stunna says all the results are predetermined , and stake support says everything is dependent on luck. seeds are dependent upon luck , but results are calculated and thus manipulated using recursive length extension attacks , and use of sponge functions.
7. if you check my another post i have showed, betids coming as ... as the sponge function requires time to calculate the result dependent kn the corresponding hash. and betid assigned to the system is printed after that. Thats the reason the betid and livestats and bets are not showing , they fucking call it slow mode. but in reality the sponge functions calculates ti gives you a loss on the same nonce.
https://youtu.be/h1xy7S5FI3w
8. you didnt answered 2. my question about registeration of company in Curcao, while the owners are in serbia australia or wherever. You dont know anything about funnelling the money. thru Meebit sweepstakes and bs companies.
9. Also i want you to comment on Eddies ties to his father who ran stock exchange scam in 90s.like father likewise son.


newbie
Activity: 130
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1.motion sensors are just a part where they take your patterns, but they have to give you a loosing result as well. the hash are manipulated and highly biased. do you agree on that ??
2.tell me what authority curcao have for a billion dollar company to be registered. , also et us know do you work for stake or stake pays you .
3.hash manipulation is the only way with motion sensor to give you losses, there is nothing about luck only manipulation .
4. if you have questions mail me to [email protected] , i would be travelling for week .


1. Like... they use accelerometer [that detect movement, tilt, and the orientation of the device], gyrometer [that detect device's angle and rotation] and, probably at the most stretched one, proximity sensor [that detect device's surrounding against object, mostly to help them turn the screen on and off] to detect our gambling pattern? How? How does these sensors being used to read our pattern? Like it read our PC's screen position? Or how close our face to the screen that could indicate the seriousness and intensity of our concentration against a bet?

2. Last I check, no, Stake didn't pay me and certainly I did not work for them. I barely even have any contact with any of their representative. Thank you for asking, though.

3. For hash manipulation, you have Stunna's answer for that already, for the part of motion sensor, well, that's where you explain to us how, like the entire point being presented/asked by me on number 1.

4. Just the motion sensors being utilized to cheat you by reading your betting pattern for now. And thank you, but I prefer a public discussion where everybody can read and access the information, so let's stay here instead of moving somewhere more private. After all, your whole point is to expose Stake, is it not? Why move to a private email if the forum provide you with a better means? Please bear in mind of what Stunna said as his first response on this thread, this section operates on proof, not FUD. So if you can provide adequate evidences, I'd really appreciate it and the community will be very much grateful.


yes i will surely do that so not this week as i am travelling
legendary
Activity: 2632
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Yes, I'm an asshole
1.motion sensors are just a part where they take your patterns, but they have to give you a loosing result as well. the hash are manipulated and highly biased. do you agree on that ??
2.tell me what authority curcao have for a billion dollar company to be registered. , also et us know do you work for stake or stake pays you .
3.hash manipulation is the only way with motion sensor to give you losses, there is nothing about luck only manipulation .
4. if you have questions mail me to [email protected] , i would be travelling for week .


1. Like... they use accelerometer [that detect movement, tilt, and the orientation of the device], gyrometer [that detect device's angle and rotation] and, probably at the most stretched one, proximity sensor [that detect device's surrounding against object, mostly to help them turn the screen on and off] to detect our gambling pattern? How? How does these sensors being used to read our pattern? Like it read our PC's screen position? Or how close our face to the screen that could indicate the seriousness and intensity of our concentration against a bet?

2. Last I check, no, Stake didn't pay me and certainly I did not work for them. I barely even have any contact with any of their representative. Thank you for asking, though.

3. For hash manipulation, you have Stunna's answer for that already, for the part of motion sensor, well, that's where you explain to us how, like the entire point being presented/asked by me on number 1.

4. Just the motion sensors being utilized to cheat you by reading your betting pattern for now. And thank you, but I prefer a public discussion where everybody can read and access the information, so let's stay here instead of moving somewhere more private. After all, your whole point is to expose Stake, is it not? Why move to a private email if the forum provide you with a better means? Please bear in mind of what Stunna said as his first response on this thread, this section operates on proof, not FUD. So if you can provide adequate evidences, I'd really appreciate it and the community will be very much grateful.
newbie
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they track data so that can manipulate the bets. why was api closed so that on real time you cannot export bets. see my explanation on hmac functions. how results are calculated on biased functions.

As intriguing this theory is, I have to ask you again, perhaps explain them in a way that non-techie guys could also understand while you're at it, how, in your theory, do they utilize motion sensor to cheat their members?

It's obviously not plausible to do this. Because every stake original is provably fair the location of each mine for example is pre-determined.


Are you dead ? still building base on kick.com coz stake.com is burnt , guess what i would be the first one to spread gasoline.
newbie
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they track data so that can manipulate the bets. why was api closed so that on real time you cannot export bets. see my explanation on hmac functions. how results are calculated on biased functions.

As intriguing this theory is, I have to ask you again, perhaps explain them in a way that non-techie guys could also understand while you're at it, how, in your theory, do they utilize motion sensor to cheat their members?


i will wxplain you the calulcation in a very simple way wait for Monday as i am out of station

I am somewhat sure you misunderstood what I asked. I am not asking about the hash and thing, I am asking about your claim that they utilize motion sensor to cheat their users, how do they do it? Far as I know, motion sensors are used to well, detect motion, as in enhancing UX by reading their mobile device's orientation, as pointed by Tabas and I on the other thread, as well as what's being explained by ChatGPT,

[...]
Quote from: ChatGPT
It is highly unlikely that a gambling site would use motion sensors to specifically cheat or manipulate the outcomes of your bets. Reputable and licensed gambling sites are subject to regulatory oversight and audits to ensure fairness and prevent fraudulent practices.

Motion sensors are not typically used as a means to influence gambling outcomes. Their primary purpose is for interactive experiences, gaming, or motion-based controls. The use of motion sensors in a gambling context would likely be unrelated to the fairness of the games or the outcomes of bets.

However, it's important to exercise caution and choose reputable gambling sites that are licensed and regulated by recognized authorities. Independent testing and auditing organizations ensure the fairness and integrity of the games provided by these sites.

If you have concerns about a specific gambling site, it is advisable to do thorough research, read reviews, and check for licensing and regulation information. This will help you make an informed decision and choose a trustworthy platform for your gambling activities.

Overall, while it is essential to be vigilant and choose reliable gambling platforms, it is highly unlikely that motion sensors would be used as a means to cheat or manipulate the outcomes of your bets.

1.motion sensors are just a part where they take your patterns, but they have to give you a loosing result as well. the hash are manipulated and highly biased. do you agree on that ??
2.tell me what authority curcao have for a billion dollar company to be registered. , also et us know do you work for stake or stake pays you .
3.hash manipulation is the only way with motion sensor to give you losses, there is nothing about luck only manipulation .
4. if you have questions mail me to [email protected] , i would be travelling for week .
newbie
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He bet id keeps on changing with the result on the transaction page . At first the bet id and live stats would stop working and then they start manipulating .


https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ceSFd9d91OM7k_RFH_-lsyam--qeHAuy/view?usp=drivesdk



slow mode my ass, its al manioulating nonce with the betid mode.
legendary
Activity: 2632
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Yes, I'm an asshole
they track data so that can manipulate the bets. why was api closed so that on real time you cannot export bets. see my explanation on hmac functions. how results are calculated on biased functions.

As intriguing this theory is, I have to ask you again, perhaps explain them in a way that non-techie guys could also understand while you're at it, how, in your theory, do they utilize motion sensor to cheat their members?


i will wxplain you the calulcation in a very simple way wait for Monday as i am out of station

I am somewhat sure you misunderstood what I asked. I am not asking about the hash and thing, I am asking about your claim that they utilize motion sensor to cheat their users, how do they do it? Far as I know, motion sensors are used to well, detect motion, as in enhancing UX by reading their mobile device's orientation, as pointed by Tabas and I on the other thread, as well as what's being explained by ChatGPT,

[...]
Quote from: ChatGPT
It is highly unlikely that a gambling site would use motion sensors to specifically cheat or manipulate the outcomes of your bets. Reputable and licensed gambling sites are subject to regulatory oversight and audits to ensure fairness and prevent fraudulent practices.

Motion sensors are not typically used as a means to influence gambling outcomes. Their primary purpose is for interactive experiences, gaming, or motion-based controls. The use of motion sensors in a gambling context would likely be unrelated to the fairness of the games or the outcomes of bets.

However, it's important to exercise caution and choose reputable gambling sites that are licensed and regulated by recognized authorities. Independent testing and auditing organizations ensure the fairness and integrity of the games provided by these sites.

If you have concerns about a specific gambling site, it is advisable to do thorough research, read reviews, and check for licensing and regulation information. This will help you make an informed decision and choose a trustworthy platform for your gambling activities.

Overall, while it is essential to be vigilant and choose reliable gambling platforms, it is highly unlikely that motion sensors would be used as a means to cheat or manipulate the outcomes of your bets.

newbie
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they track data so that can manipulate the bets. why was api closed so that on real time you cannot export bets. see my explanation on hmac functions. how results are calculated on biased functions.

As intriguing this theory is, I have to ask you again, perhaps explain them in a way that non-techie guys could also understand while you're at it, how, in your theory, do they utilize motion sensor to cheat their members?

It's obviously not plausible to do this. Because every stake original is provably fair the location of each mine for example is pre-determined.


Balls , you are just manioulating using soft hashes.
wtf is slow mode. do we deposit money to your casino in installements or what , so that you can out us in slow mode. all these scams are to generae the manipulative bets .
You say that in provably fair the each result is determined and then talk about luck, basically you are contradiciting two different things.
your casino is manipulated thats the reason you changed your privacy policy. you are correct , you dont give us power to litigate like wise we dont give you power to scam us.
i am downloading each and evry report on lighthouse , so that i can rub on your face.
Your primedice and stake games are over stunna. just count the days for a big things coming your way. feeding on peoples money thats what you do.

just wait for me , to explain the people how rigged is your casino and stake originals
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they track data so that can manipulate the bets. why was api closed so that on real time you cannot export bets. see my explanation on hmac functions. how results are calculated on biased functions.

As intriguing this theory is, I have to ask you again, perhaps explain them in a way that non-techie guys could also understand while you're at it, how, in your theory, do they utilize motion sensor to cheat their members?


i will wxplain you the calulcation in a very simple way wait for Monday as i am out of station
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Primedice.com, Stake.com
they track data so that can manipulate the bets. why was api closed so that on real time you cannot export bets. see my explanation on hmac functions. how results are calculated on biased functions.

As intriguing this theory is, I have to ask you again, perhaps explain them in a way that non-techie guys could also understand while you're at it, how, in your theory, do they utilize motion sensor to cheat their members?

It's obviously not plausible to do this. Because every stake original is provably fair the location of each mine for example is pre-determined.
legendary
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Yes, I'm an asshole
they track data so that can manipulate the bets. why was api closed so that on real time you cannot export bets. see my explanation on hmac functions. how results are calculated on biased functions.

As intriguing this theory is, I have to ask you again, perhaps explain them in a way that non-techie guys could also understand while you're at it, how, in your theory, do they utilize motion sensor to cheat their members?
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At certain nonces , the result can have same effect as sponge function , where it can have multiple result , without co'promising the original hash given to us. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sponge_function

i hvae updtaed here , this thing is known as duplex construction and override mode. the method of caluclation of the result itself is manipulated. do not deposit on this shit load of website.
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they track data so that can manipulate the bets. why was api closed so that on real time you cannot export bets. see my explanation on hmac functions. how results are calculated on biased functions.
legendary
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Yes, I'm an asshole
my bad here you go

https://drive.google[dot]com/file/d/1F-93C4GeREcQLyct0OjUlJ7ZEGg1HUUI/view?usp=drivesdk
https://drive.google[dot]com/file/d/1N4Kvk5fO42MjUpQX6MK56mc4y1hdeCYt/view?usp=drivesdk

As previously suggested, it'll be helpful for the forum members if you upload them to an image hosting platforms like talkimg [that's owned by reputable member of this forum] or like imgbb if you prefer, so they can see the image instantly without having to click a link. But, nonetheless, I'll do it for you. Deliberately taking this as a screenshot with visible address bar to prove that the images are as provided by the links above.

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They are the same image as you provide throughout your threads and posts. If I may ask again, can you please explain how Stake, in your educated opinion, use these sensors to cheat their users?

Hmm... If I may ask you, why keep tracking all this data if there's no use for that? If there's no real manipulation, why keep tracking players? Oh, so you can offer a deposit bonus for players? You can cheat using that, as you know the outcome of the games. They have access to the backend, and if they want to cheat, they will do and can use math to cover their tracks.

Whether there is tracking or not is no longer a dubious question (https://www.optimove.com/pdf/Optimove-Stake-Case-Study.pdf).

Quote: This document was never officially denied or confirmed by Stake. Draw your own conclusions.

As they themselves say: do your own research (https://stakecommunity.com/topic/37066-indepth-look-into-stake-rng-and-the-proofably-fair-system/?do=findComment&comment=767763).

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I assume correctly this account is owned by the same as thread poster, cryptogeniusdice? If you happen to be different people and you just here to pitch in your findings and curious about those sensor, I'd advise you read OP's other thread where some possible explanation has been laid out by couple of members.

Meanwhile, as for your own article, I took a quick read at it and it was about a partnership with a marketing company? May I know what you tried to propose here? I don't think cooperating with a marketing team is something illegal? Unless I am wrong and there's something fishy about Optimove? Please divulge more.
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