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Quote from: Saint-loup on September 11, 2022, 06:18:28 AM

I'm glad you are admitting having told fake news because you said the exact opposite above "That is why people really need to read the TOS and AML policy of every casino or platform before doing anything."

You sure have selective reading/hearing. Here's what i have said.
"Withdrawing after deposit without wagering is really an offense in most of casino who have AML policy, you should take note on that."

Then you asked.
"Where have you seen in their TOS it's forbidden to make a withdrawal without wagering please?"

Well, no one said it's on their TOS, again it's on their AML policy, please comprehend.

Quote from: Saint-loup on September 11, 2022, 06:18:28 AM

That's the most ridiculous scammy excuse I would have read, it's not their fault, they are seizing customer funds because the software they use told to do so....

That is what op had experienced if you understand what you read in this thread.

Quote from: Saint-loup on September 11, 2022, 06:18:28 AM

LOL you should read this section less frequently and use honest casinos more often IMO, because only scammy casinos are doing what you are saying. Professional and honest casinos don't do that. They ask KYC before locking funds of their customers if they don't like how they are using their platform. The only exception is when there is a blatant cheat with an obvious damage. Because they have no right to seize any funds without a court order, it would be a theft.

Well, i have to admit that you sure have selective reading. Check these threads^[1][2] before telling me what sections i should frequently read.

What you have all mentioned are those characteristics of a dream casino site a gambler wishes to use. But you need to know that they are not perfect and will only do is business, blocking accounts are included on that unless its reasonable and against their TOS or any policy they have.
Anyway, op's case seems like a solve one and admitting^[3] of using another account as against on every casino's TOS.

[1] Cloudbet - Asked for verification and blocked account
[2] Street Selfie? Why all these crazy requirements in the name of KYC verification?
[3] Stake.com got recked by me

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Quote from: PX-Z on September 11, 2022, 05:39:43 AM

Read it again, no one said it's on their TOS its on their AML policy. And it is not fake news. Only those who doesn't know will say it's a fake news.

I'm glad you are admitting having told fake news because you said the exact opposite above "That is why people really need to read the TOS and AML policy of every casino or platform before doing anything."

Quote from: PX-Z on September 11, 2022, 05:39:43 AM

Any KYC required and casino with AML monitoring software will do that the same. Since he mentioned that he deposit then just withdraw, then it's obvious a trigger to their software as alternative to mixer, and that's obvious fall on their anti-mixing measures.

That's the most ridiculous scammy excuse I would have read, it's not their fault, they are seizing customer funds because the software they use told to do so....
It's not customers business what the "software" they are using is telling, and how it is set up, they don't even know what is this software and how it is working. Customers have a contract with a company and their representatives, not with a software. Courts convict and send to jail people, not robots.

Quote from: PX-Z on September 11, 2022, 05:39:43 AM

Like many casino's doing?
Did casino tell its users that they will require KYC when their user is going to withdraw? No.
Did they tell its users that they will be required to send their selfie holding a newspaper, ID, etc. while on the street for the KYC ahead of time? No.
It's the same as that. Casinos won't tell you that don't do this and that coz you will be banned or something. You will only receive a message when you are banned because you did this and that.

LOL you should read this section less frequently and use honest casinos more often IMO, because only scammy casinos are doing what you are saying. Professional and honest casinos don't do that. They ask KYC and eventually ban customers if they don't like how they are using their platform but they don't lock their funds. The only exception is when there is a blatant cheat with an obvious damage. Because they have no right to seize any funds without a court order, it would be a theft. It's serious to be aware of this kind of scams and to defend them. You are a 1xbit advocate, right?

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Quote from: Saint-loup on September 11, 2022, 05:05:21 AM

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Obviously he hasn't received any mail from Stake which is not professional at all for this kind of thing and rather shady actually.

Apparently, there is more to this story than the OP admits. He now claims that he won the amount with his other account, and thus "recked" the casino and took their money. I'm not siding with the casino, but Stake obviously has valid reasons to block his account and these accusations are baseless.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on September 11, 2022, 04:16:24 AM

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Quote from: dhru9 on September 10, 2022, 05:28:21 PM

claiming someone does money laundering without proof is bad.
Is like saying you are a thief o you are a killer without proof..

There seems to be a misunderstanding between you and the casino. They don't accuse you of "money laundering" because they don't have the legal authority to do so, but they do have the right to enforce the rules that have been set. If you don't want to comply with the rules and conditions, you don't have a right to use the site.

Quote from: dhru9 on September 11, 2022, 03:52:29 AM

is making their brand look bad.

I really don't think it does. Stake.com is one of the most popular crypto gambling sites out there. No one is going to take your juvenile accusations seriously.

You don't understand how marketing works and how the brain store information. What I did cause them to lose more (I am a marketing expert) I know things.
Many people who view this section subconsciously will be afraid to invest in stake when they see these titles.
Stake could avoid the trouble by not fook with me but look at them now.

Every casino has scam accusations from players that did something shady and think they can use this forum to extort money from them. If you want to damage Stakes rep for being a scam, you have to back up your claims to convince others to leave them negative feedback. Just crying scam without being transparent about what happened is just a waste of your time. If you were using Stake to launder money, you're wasting your time. I don't think Stake would freeze your funds without a very good reason, and I don't think you're going to tell us the whole truth, but in case I'm wrong:

What does your deposit/withdraw request history look like? Post screen shots.

How many times did you deposit, and for how much, and how much did you wager?

And why did you deposit your money into a casino and then withdraw it without gambling?

extort my own money? read all you turd. never did money laundering maybe you guys want to get your tongue out of stake.

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Quote from: Saint-loup on September 11, 2022, 05:05:21 AM

Don't spam fake news in a scam accusation thread please. Where have you seen in their TOS it's forbidden to make a withdrawal without wagering please? Could you quote the exact sentence please?

Read it again, no one said it's on their TOS its on their AML policy. And it is not fake news. Only those who doesn't know will say it's a fake news.

Quote from: Saint-loup on September 11, 2022, 05:05:21 AM

If it was forbidden he would have just get a message saying he can't withdraw his funds before wagering them, or before a certain period of time, like many casinos are doing.

Like many casino's doing?
Did casino tell its users that they will require KYC when their user is going to withdraw? No.
Did they tell its users that they will be required to send their selfie holding a newspaper, ID, etc. while on the street for the KYC ahead of time? No.
It's the same as that. Casinos won't tell you that don't do this and that coz you will be banned or something. You will only receive a message when you are banned because you did this and that.

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Quote from: PX-Z on September 10, 2022, 06:36:32 PM

That is why people really need to read the TOS and AML policy of every casino or platform before doing anything. They will send an email if there is an update regarding the change.

Withdrawing after deposit without wagering is really an offense in most of casino who have AML policy, you should take note on that.

Don't spam fake news in a scam accusation thread please. Where have you seen in their TOS it's forbidden to make a withdrawal without wagering please? Could you quote the exact sentence please? If it was forbidden he would have just get a message saying he can't withdraw his funds before wagering them, or before a certain period of time, like many casinos are doing. Here they have locked his funds without warning and are now requiring a top level KYC to give him back his own funds since he hasn't made any winnings.
And what do you mean by "They will send an email if there is an update regarding the change." ? Obviously he hasn't received any mail from Stake which is not professional at all for this kind of thing and rather shady actually.

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I chat with Nicolas and ask what's up. He said you use stake for money laundering and ban me permanently without the ability to withdraw my funds.

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Quote from: dhru9 on September 11, 2022, 04:04:34 AM

Quote from: decodx on September 11, 2022, 03:59:10 AM

Quote from: dhru9 on September 10, 2022, 05:28:21 PM

claiming someone does money laundering without proof is bad.
Is like saying you are a thief o you are a killer without proof..

There seems to be a misunderstanding between you and the casino. They don't accuse you of "money laundering" because they don't have the legal authority to do so, but they do have the right to enforce the rules that have been set. If you don't want to comply with the rules and conditions, you don't have a right to use the site.

Quote from: dhru9 on September 11, 2022, 03:52:29 AM

is making their brand look bad.

I really don't think it does. Stake.com is one of the most popular crypto gambling sites out there. No one is going to take your juvenile accusations seriously.

You don't understand how marketing works and how the brain store information. What I did cause them to lose more (I am a marketing expert) I know things.
Many people who view this section subconsciously will be afraid to invest in stake when they see these titles.
Stake could avoid the trouble by not fook with me but look at them now.

Every casino has scam accusations from players that did something shady and think they can use this forum to extort money from them. If you want to damage Stakes rep for being a scam, you have to back up your claims to convince others to leave them negative feedback. Just crying scam without being transparent about what happened is just a waste of your time. If you were using Stake to launder money, you're wasting your time. I don't think Stake would freeze your funds without a very good reason, and I don't think you're going to tell us the whole truth, but in case I'm wrong:

What does your deposit/withdraw request history look like? Post screen shots.

How many times did you deposit, and for how much, and how much did you wager?

And why did you deposit your money into a casino and then withdraw it without gambling?

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Quote from: dhru9 on September 10, 2022, 05:28:21 PM

claiming someone does money laundering without proof is bad.
Is like saying you are a thief o you are a killer without proof..

There seems to be a misunderstanding between you and the casino. They don't accuse you of "money laundering" because they don't have the legal authority to do so, but they do have the right to enforce the rules that have been set. If you don't want to comply with the rules and conditions, you don't have a right to use the site.

Quote from: dhru9 on September 11, 2022, 03:52:29 AM

is making their brand look bad.

I really don't think it does. Stake.com is one of the most popular crypto gambling sites out there. No one is going to take your juvenile accusations seriously.

You don't understand how marketing works and how the brain store information. What I did cause them to lose more (I am a marketing expert) I know things.
Many people who view this section subconsciously will be afraid to invest in stake when they see these titles.
Stake could avoid the trouble by not fook with me but look at them now.

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Quote from: dhru9 on September 10, 2022, 05:28:21 PM

claiming someone does money laundering without proof is bad.
Is like saying you are a thief o you are a killer without proof..

There seems to be a misunderstanding between you and the casino. They don't accuse you of "money laundering" because they don't have the legal authority to do so, but they do have the right to enforce the rules that have been set. If you don't want to comply with the rules and conditions, you don't have a right to use the site.

Quote from: dhru9 on September 11, 2022, 03:52:29 AM

is making their brand look bad.

I really don't think it does. Stake.com is one of the most popular crypto gambling sites out there. No one is going to take your juvenile accusations seriously.

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Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on September 11, 2022, 02:14:37 AM

What a load of rubbish. You don't convince anyone that Stake.com is a scam because of this. It's widely known and it's in their TOS.

If you wanted to deposit and withdraw without wagering, there are still some casinos that let you do that, but most don't.

And to bump all the old threads you've found about stake isn't going to help your case, you just look chilidish.

is making their brand look bad.

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What a load of rubbish. You don't convince anyone that Stake.com is a scam because of this. It's widely known and it's in their TOS.

If you wanted to deposit and withdraw without wagering, there are still some casinos that let you do that, but most don't.

And to bump all the old threads you've found about stake isn't going to help your case, you just look chilidish.

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Quote from: dhru9 on September 10, 2022, 05:37:28 PM

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Quote from: dhru9 on September 10, 2022, 05:28:21 PM

I disagree money laundering is for black actvity ive nothing to hide and transperant about my source of income.
you can't say it's money laundering without proof (you say i mix funds) do you have proof of it? you just say things that not true and not relevant for me.
claiming someone for money laundering without proof if severe.

i gain nothing from mixing funds i never use these tools. And I don't launder any money read the definition before you accuse someone.

Looks like you are not getting the point.

What is termed as "mixing or money laundering" by casinos is when you deposit your money in them and then withdraw it without wagering at all. Basically, you are using a casino as your mixing tool to hide your transaction trail, and they don't like this behavior.

This is exactly what you did with stake.com, and that's why they blocked your account.

I have wagered on their casino more than 1 BTC. I don't come for mixing I come for play.
If they block my account let me take my money and then block.

You should know better, you already wagered 1 Bitcoin in Stake and part of their TOS and all casinos, that when you deposit you are supposed to play, and you must play, you can play your deposit the next day next week but you need to play, changing your mind is not acceptable, and will mark your account as trying to use the casino for mixing, casinos have a hard penalty on money laundering, it seems you are not familiar on money laundering policy of all casinos for you to think that you can get away with it, so sorry but rules are rules but still take your chance, but accept the consequence of your action.

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That is why people really need to read the TOS and AML policy of every casino or platform before doing anything. They will send an email if there is an update regarding the change.

Withdrawing after deposit without wagering is really an offense in most of casino who have AML policy, you should take note on that.

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Quote from: dhru9 on September 10, 2022, 05:37:28 PM

Quote from: logfiles on September 10, 2022, 05:35:51 PM

Quote from: dhru9 on September 10, 2022, 05:28:21 PM

I disagree money laundering is for black actvity ive nothing to hide and transperant about my source of income.
you can't say it's money laundering without proof (you say i mix funds) do you have proof of it? you just say things that not true and not relevant for me.
claiming someone for money laundering without proof if severe.

i gain nothing from mixing funds i never use these tools. And I don't launder any money read the definition before you accuse someone.

Looks like you are not getting the point.

What is termed as "mixing or money laundering" by casinos is when you deposit your money in them and then withdraw it without wagering at all. Basically, you are using a casino as your mixing tool to hide your transaction trail, and they don't like this behavior.

This is exactly what you did with stake.com, and that's why they blocked your account.

I have wagered on their casino more than 1 BTC. I don't come for mixing I come for play.
If they block my account let me take my money and then block.

Why did you withdraw without wagering?

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Quote from: logfiles on September 10, 2022, 05:55:05 PM

Quote from: dhru9 on September 10, 2022, 05:37:28 PM

I have wagered on their casino more than 1 BTC. I don't come for mixing I come for play.
If they block my account let me take my money and then block.

I think you missed the part where I said that wagering more than 1 BTC in the past does not mean you should start depositing and withdrawing coins afterwards without wagering them, since I added that part later.

Check out the screenshot of the terms I posted. It reads that checks are carried out on case by case basis. Contact their support and explain to them what happened instead of making multiple posts in different past threads.

I did contact them and i didn't feel respect from the chat support this why all of this thread. I stop making posts for a now.
But there is no way that the site take my money without me retaliating later on. . will see tomorrow.

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Quote from: dhru9 on September 10, 2022, 05:37:28 PM

I have wagered on their casino more than 1 BTC. I don't come for mixing I come for play.
If they block my account let me take my money and then block.

I think you missed the part where I said that wagering more than 1 BTC in the past does not mean you should start depositing and withdrawing coins afterwards without wagering them, since I added that part later.

Check out the screenshot of the terms I posted. It reads that checks are carried out on case by case basis. Contact their support and explain to them what happened instead of making multiple posts in different past threads.

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Quote from: logfiles on September 10, 2022, 05:35:51 PM

Quote from: dhru9 on September 10, 2022, 05:28:21 PM

I disagree money laundering is for black actvity ive nothing to hide and transperant about my source of income.
you can't say it's money laundering without proof (you say i mix funds) do you have proof of it? you just say things that not true and not relevant for me.
claiming someone for money laundering without proof if severe.

i gain nothing from mixing funds i never use these tools. And I don't launder any money read the definition before you accuse someone.

Looks like you are not getting the point.

What is termed as "mixing or money laundering" by casinos is when you deposit your money in them and then withdraw it without wagering at all. Basically, you are using a casino as your mixing tool to hide your transaction trail, and they don't like this behavior.

This is exactly what you did with stake.com, and that's why they blocked your account.

I have wagered on their casino more than 1 BTC. I don't come for mixing I come for play.
If they block my account let me take my money and then block.

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Quote from: dhru9 on September 10, 2022, 05:28:21 PM

I disagree money laundering is for black actvity ive nothing to hide and transperant about my source of income.
you can't say it's money laundering without proof (you say i mix funds) do you have proof of it? you just say things that not true and not relevant for me.
claiming someone for money laundering without proof if severe.

i gain nothing from mixing funds i never use these tools. And I don't launder any money read the definition before you accuse someone.

Looks like you are not getting the point.

What is termed as "mixing or money laundering" by casinos is when you deposit your money in them and then withdraw it without wagering at all. Basically, you are using a casino as your mixing tool to hide your transaction trail, and they don't like this behavior.

This is exactly what you did with stake.com, and that's why they blocked your account.

Wagering more than 1 BTC in the past does not mean you should start depositing and withdrawing coins afterwards without wagering them.

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Quote from: logfiles on September 10, 2022, 05:21:38 PM

Why would you deposit coins in a casino in the first place if you are not planning to gamble at all?

You definitely triggered offer their security when you tried to "Mix or launder the coins" Most casinos are totally against this.
Look at their AML policy

I disagree money laundering is for black actvity ive nothing to hide and transperant about my source of income.
you can't say it's money laundering without proof (you say i mix funds for illicit activity) do you have proof of it?

claiming someone does money laundering without proof is bad.
Is like saying you are a thief o you are a killer without proof..

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Why would you deposit coins in a casino in the first place if you are not planning to gamble at all?

You definitely triggered off their security when you tried to "Mix or launder the coins" Most casinos are totally against this.
Look at their AML policy

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