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Because socialism takes all the fun out of banking.


Nah, dont fool yourself. Economic freedom is a relative thing in any sucesfull society.
Free markets work pretty well for a lot of stuff but for a society you also need security and that can be provided by centralization.

why do you think banks dont want socialism? i mean you might be right, they might rationally calculate that socialism is so terrible that it isnt even in the interest of the oligarchs who rule over a socialist society to have a socialist system. But then again most people arnt familiar with the implications of the misesian economic calculation problem.

Congratulation on building a society around the cult of money and power.
The privatization of the US police force is a natural (and predictable) outcome of capitalism.
If you want this changed you will need to address it through the democratic system.
If the democratic system is flawed you will need to go to the streets to show your disagreement.
That is how it works.
Getting all paranoia over these progressions is the wrong thing to do. The right thing to do is involve yourself with the politics because that is where these things are decided.
All these problems are made possible because people don't care ennough. And people don't care because they have it too good despite the problems.
Long live the american dream! Unfortunately it is an unrealistical one in the long run and it will fail from the inside out.

Of course these cycles happen.
Your error is thinking that it's the fault of some elite.
And another thing you're wrong about is thinking this process can be stopped by removing said elite.

First of all you should realize that without big undertakings like empires there would have been a lot less scietific progress. We would still be in the bronze age if not for the knowledge centers that arose around big capitals in empires.
Without the kind of resources of empires there would have been very little science during the past millenia because almost everybody would have needed to do physical labour to get food. There would simply be no time to do science. Only the very rich could afford (both in time and in money) to learn to read, never mind get an education. And the knowledge humans gathered would be spread around different parts of the world.
And in any case, lots and lots of social inventions are based on research done for warfare.
The point is if there were no elite rulers then you would propably not be sitting behind a computer and talking about bitvoin on the internet.
You would propably be looking for a good opportunity to trade your goats for apples or something.

So we as a society value the elite because they are in the position to organize society into something bigger.
But as society grows more complex every time it is set up it invariably grows beyond the scope of the original plan.
We can try to compensate but at some point the system fails under its own weight. That is what history tells us.
One problem often seen (but this a symptom) is corruption. And i mean overall corruption, not just governmental.
People in general are becoming more decadent in their desires and in their actions.
Now that everyone has everything why do anything at all? What will motivate people now to work for the whole for most of their lifes?

We as a society, like all others before us, are on a road with a dead end.
That's a consequence of progress.
Maybe this time we can change it without crashing it. But then we need to address the right things and not get emotional and paranoia.

having the ability to replicate things wouldn't eliminate scarcity because physical space would still be limited. These conflicting interests would need to be reconciled in some way and in a society where resources were practically infinite, central planning could probably do a decent enough job with just that 1 task (figuring out whose body gets placed where and how much space should be between that body and the next body) With that being said a market would still always be the preferred method for settling legitimate rivalries.

Here have a listen to facts then I hope you have a genuine thirst for it. If your wasting my time then there is no point in continuing this trolling your in process of.

Here start at 1:03:00 and listen for your self. Now that you are armed with the general plan on how to circumvent your own government you can apply that to all estates of our lives. Now after that has all been said, keep in mind that this is being applied globally. In other words these forms of "take overs" are being applied to all countries.

As a final and redundant note this is happening in banking right now.

Please if you are disagreeing just to troll me then fine. Well played but to actually believe that everything is fine is quite a more dangerous place to stand. IMO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc-j8bX12oA

Star trek?

Well yes. We are in an economy crysis, if the situation keep getting worse and worse, a third world war can happen. It is not an impossible scenario. Wich is exactly what happened in Star Trek, the third world war. And then, 5 april 2063, a spaceship will take off, it will activate it's warp drive and... well it is history 

That too sounds very Alex Jones-ish. I see you mentioned above you went ahead and listen to one of his collages now. (Allen Watt)
Been there done that, it's just unbearable. The guy is even more into esoteric woo and the point of the show is something like hero worship.


But that didn't answer my question. What is this thread supposed to accomplish?
I'm still waiting for somebody to make a fool of oneself by bringing up the HAARP Conspiracy Theory. Oh and Chemtrail can't forget Chemtrails. Go for it while I prepare a bag of popcorn

Alex Jones is an Conspiracy evangelist. Truth is quite different and not served to the general public. The difference between knowledge and wisdom.

Sir 

That is something Alex Jones could have said  



Oh please explain, what is this thread about? You are linking Alex Jones site, using the same rhetoric and demonstrate the same paranoid thought process.

I am Very disappointed. I suggest to you not to fear anyone. Stop putting down people trying to warn others. I'm not a bible thumper here I'm not talking speculation or delusional beliefs. No aliens or UFO's and weird Sasquatch and LochNess sightings either. I'm not talking about ghosts, vibrational crystals, Chakras or the Kabala and the Illuminatti or the Zionist. There are so many half truths on youtube   

These are facts.

I don't know how much you know about history and cyclical events or how money is used. How the media is used and government is circumvented. These things in history occur and reoccur like the life cycle of a fruit or anything in life. They start new and fresh and become corrupt and die. These cycles happen in businesses and governments and as something like a car or truck. They break down. Some last longer than others.
   
Empires start and die like weekend house parties. After their done there is a mess that needs to be cleaned up.

Much more and almost too much to explain. If you think everything is fine then don't let me disturb you. However please don't dismiss this if you have not gone and looked into it.



Anyone who has, understands what is at stake here.

Edit: Alex Jones is an idiot making money on fear buy using news events. As he put it "turd in the punch bowl"

NOW if you can understand how he's allowed to be on alternative media while we shoot JFK and Martin Luther King then you will be starting to see the JFK speech in a different light.

America has been rotted out

Infowars.com. Yeah, I'm not clicking that.

You're right and that is some very sound advice.

LOL.,., not watching tv is pointless if you follow that up with watching conspiracy youtubes.
Woo., fear the zionist slavers.
You can always go live in china or something.
No zionist bankers slaving you there.

Yeah I'm sure the "THEY HAVE WEATHER WEAPONS!!!11" rant is somewhere in there.
http://youtu.be/ejvvPIaYrSo

People still don't get what is happening to the world. They're taking down nations that are not part of the zionist banking system. They destroy any paper trails of property ownership. Induce global inflation to bring in a crisis of banking.

and more

To prevent a wall of text and to make a long story short.

Slavery.. They don't want your money they want you not to have money. To make you more willing to go with ideas that you would never go for.

TV is a programing tool to shape the ideas of people. Time to grow up.

Aah, so you mean like star trek is actually advertisement for the banks with the aim to make us lose cash?
I don't think so.
There is very little talk about money or credit in star trek and when it is talked about it feels more like a socialist system.
Not sure that is the message the banks would like to spread.

One of the movies with Piccard and the borgs travelling back in time, has a short scene on earth where there are protesers in the background with bill boards. They are to far away to be read, but it suggest that wealth is not distributed in a consensual way.

Have there ever been any mentioning of power costs as cheap or expensive in Star trek?

I'm thinking that if power is abundant and they have replicators, how would a traditional economy work if there is no scarcity?

It's not about getting whatever you need.  That's just the sales pitch.  It's about getting rid of cash and replacing it with digital "credits" which are, of course, doled out by the banks.

http://betterthancash.org/about/our-members/

That's fan fiction by some economy nerds.
Meanwhile http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_credit has a more informed description.