Topic: Stephen Hawking: ‘technology is driving ever-increasing inequality" - page 2. (Read 2370 times)

Technology drives inequality because technological progress is on super-charge.  Because too much money is being issued, there are never enough good investments, so all that money is looking for anything that half-resembles a good future business.

The gold standard was only another (earlier) method by the bank-state alliance to prop up the value of paper money and debt with state power.

Only total disengagement of the state from money would represent truly free money.

So, this time it is different?  Tech is gonna make much of the world poorer and more unequal despite the fact of, well, history.  You can find an individual who is worse off because they lost a job due to technology but you can't say that people of the industrialised West today aren't much better off because the buggy whip maker dies poor and broke.  The development and use of technology to better mankind is one of the hallmarks of modern civilization.  Technology wasn't always viewed this way and people like hawking should know better.

This outcome suits the purposes of the people steering the ship. I wonder whether they have to foresight to realise that there's a seething mass of people growing ever more resentful at the direction the world is taking. You can't really enjoy your wealth if the world beyond your walled garden has turned into Mad Maxville.

I wonder whether it'll ever reach a point where humans are capable of putting the brakes on 'progress' for the greater good. I seriously doubt it.

Exactly, the reason that technology improvement drives inequality is mainly because fiat money based economy, where you must pay some fiat money in exchange of something else, so the one who creates the fiat money will control all the productivity in the entire country

But even under a gold standard, the market based exchange would still give power to those who can mass produce useful things, eventually those producers will become the super power. Today, those producers are limited by the central bank and government regulators

How the elites would prefer to "fix" this problem (and what Hawking is hinting at) is, of course, not to dismantle the core system, but to throw crumbs to the masses to keep them more or less content.  This would be somewhat analogous to Rome's bread and circus.  Rather than dismantle slavery, they much preferred to give charities to citizens who had lost their jobs to slavery.

What's really driving inequality is the state-bank alliance (anchored by the central bank) of the modern system, that's designed to take wealth from the rest of society.  Technology or any other pro-growth (or more correctly pro-hyper-growth) mechanism is only a middleman in this process.

A system of debt-money must have real economic growth, or the system will implode (like it's threatening to, right now.)  When lenders and investors decide there won't be enough profits from the economy to repay loans, they will liquidate, demand will collapse, and most people will lose their jobs.  So, under the leadership of the elites, everyone and everything is nudged to seek profit and growth at all cost.  If the environment, community, or happiness suffers, so be it.

A collapse might also be painful enough to make most people eventually realize the nature of our (not really market-based) system, which would erode the elites' power.

This system is happy to reward anyone handsomely who might have a chance of generating demand in the real economy.  Super concentration of capital naturally creates super-concentrated talent and progress.  If safety can be ignored (as with Uber,) what is a little bit of inequality and long-term unemployment?

A healthy system of money and finance would see much slower real ecoonomic growth (as savers would be allowed to be careful with their investments.)  But the entire society would gradually adjust to new technologies in a more even and sustainable fashion.  Technology would truly be the labor saving device for everyone that it's supposed to be.

What's new is the speed of growth of the inequality. He makes a great point (and obviously he's brilliantly smart). More automation in manufacturing results in fewer jobs, therefore more poor. Technology also allows those with access to it to benefit from its wealth building opportunities. Take the signature campaigns on this forum, someone without access to the internet or without a computer would have a much harder time gathering bitcoin as many of us do.

This issue should not be taken in any way to the light and I'm glad that there are people concerned about this issue, The worst scenary can be that Someday the IA can enslave to humanity for a kind of vanity or stupidity  to think that we are on the right track when it may be just the opposite, The question could also be if:  are the natural evolution part the machines  of ?
Think on it:  God did to humans not did IA, God could have his rules If we let us against them as we are  finished, I'm not against technological advancement because many lives have been saved thanks to this,
We life is easy more than our ancestors. Etc.
But  as all must put certain limits, Pretending not always go further and further because at one point we will find something we will can not control how humanity, So maybe  some things are not the product of mere chance as someone might think, The time to participate in this thread on this topic can be a example.
So Stephen Hawking one of the most brilliant minds of all times say that technology is driving ever-increasing inequality and personally I think that is right, If oneself  wonders wich that causes all this?
We back to the same words: Vanity, Stupidity and we can add others like to ambition and so on.  

Well if I was able to enjoy 100% of free time why the hell would I involve myself in crime? Most crime is due lack of money anyway, so in a society where you don't need to work to have a good standard of life, crime would be reduced by like 99% and the people that still commit crime would be the severly fucked up at dna level.

So what's new? Technology and knowledge, or having specific skills have always created inequality. Doctors have always been more successful than peasants. The good thing is that you can't master technology in all fields. A guy can be a champion in computer science, but will he be able to fix his toilet without a plumber if there's something wrong with it?

I presume he meant a basic standard of living a human beings should expect of course if AI get to the standard where an AI sees our intelligence like that of snails then I'm sure these issues would have been resolved.

You know regular equality no slavery besides debt slavery and food on the table, with a fairly secure knowledge you will be safe in the night and not hunted down in the wilderness.
With a target to work harder to get perks.

What would be the definition of a fair distribution? No human is equal and all their needs are different.

Just regarding food: A 50 kg woman would need much less than a 100 kg man.

Also, what will people do? I guess luxurious leisure gets boring very fast and people will start doing stuff (crime, etc.)

TPTB read his archives

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/5-questions-with-stephen-hawking-technology-is-driving-ever-increasing-inequality-2015-10-08

Question: Have you thought about the possibility of technological unemployment, where we develop automated processes that ultimately cause large unemployment by performing jobs faster and/or cheaper than people can perform them?

Hawking: If machines produce everything we need, the outcome will depend on how things are distributed. Everyone can enjoy a life of luxurious leisure if the machine-produced wealth is shared, or most people can end up miserably poor if the machine-owners successfully lobby against wealth redistribution. So far, the trend seems to be toward the second option, with technology driving ever-increasing inequality