Topic: Still have coins on BITBLENDER? you only have a FEW HOURS TO WITHDRAW! LAST CALL (Read 478 times)

Quote from: AdolfinWolf on May 31, 2019, 03:12:47 PM

I am dubious in terms of this. Why they are so rushed? whether they know something they did not tell us?
Only a few hours to withdraw are not enough for many users.

One of their competitors just got shutdown by several government agencies... that’s no joke.

Even I, would do the same thing if you do see that other competitors been shutdown and as a mixing owner you would really panic Grin

@TryNinja, thanks for the reminders and had successfully make withdrawals before when Bestmixer issue explode out.

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Again, it probably wasn't orchestrated to be an exit scam, but that's basically what this mess has resulted in.. Intentional or not, it seems like a lot of users no longer have access to their funds.

it sucks to lose and believe me when i say i've been there before. and i really hate to be that unapologetic #notyourkeys asshole. but it seems like people never learn to store their own keys until a custodial service screws them like this.

3 years ago, i had all my crypto funds stored on exchanges. then bitfinex got hacked, stole my money and replaced it with debt tokens. then i got bitten a second time in 2017 when btc-e got taken down! my fault this time---shame on me!

anyone who casually leaves coins on deposit for weeks or months at a time is inevitably going to be parted from their coins. if it's not bitblender, then the next service, or the next service after that. i hope these people get another chance to withdraw, but if not, this is a lesson they need to learn. blind trust was bound to fuck them over at some point.

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Quote from: squatter on May 31, 2019, 02:22:06 PM

Quote from: AdolfinWolf on May 31, 2019, 05:00:59 AM

I think one could argue that this is just scummy behaviour. Bitblender has been online for years, you really think a couple days will make a difference?
He's storing god knows how many user funds on his website, why is everyone so hellbent to give him a pass regarding this?

This just looks to me like he's trying to exit scam and run off with the funds of his customers... under the guise of "paranoia"...?

He gave people a couple days to withdraw, and then brought the servers online again a day or so later so the laggards could get their coins. For an exit scam, that's extremely generous.

Sure, if you were well-informed, it was fair.

I just highly doubt that much of their customer base outside of Bitcointalk knew what was happening though. All the people/casual bitcoiners that mixed through darknet markets etc probably didn't even notice it was shutting down until it was too late.

Quote from: comfitbit on May 31, 2019, 01:57:47 PM

For me it is the same, have sent after the Dreammarket closure my remaining Bitcoins to Bitblender.
There was no ad the URL is closed. So they are still hanging around and hope to get them again.

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Quote from: blender on May 27, 2019, 03:23:13 PM

Bitcoin Blender is shutting down. Please withdraw.

i still have funds on account pls pm me how we can deal to get my funds back !! i was not online the last few Days !!

Quote from: btc2usd.biz on May 31, 2019, 08:22:55 AM

hi !

i still had funds on account on blender ! iw as on holiday and saw just now ! please help !

Again, it probably wasn't orchestrated to be an exit scam, but that's basically what this mess has resulted in.. Intentional or not, it seems like a lot of users no longer have access to their funds.

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Quote from: AdolfinWolf on May 31, 2019, 05:00:59 AM

I think one could argue that this is just scummy behaviour. Bitblender has been online for years, you really think a couple days will make a difference?
He's storing god knows how many user funds on his website, why is everyone so hellbent to give him a pass regarding this?

This just looks to me like he's trying to exit scam and run off with the funds of his customers... under the guise of "paranoia"...?

He gave people a couple days to withdraw, and then brought the servers online again a day or so later so the laggards could get their coins. For an exit scam, that's extremely generous.

We don't know how his site was set up. Maybe he is right to be paranoid.

At the end of the day, there are good reasons why we always tell people not to store coins with third parties. That risk is especially true with services that may be targeted by governments.

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But people should be happy the site gives some time before. He could just have closed the site and never log in again here. And keep the bitcoins that were not transferred out. Doesn't mean he wanted to leave with your coins but in his shoes maybe you would have disappeared without any message.

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Quote from: AdolfinWolf on May 31, 2019, 05:00:59 AM

Quote from: TryNinja on May 31, 2019, 09:13:35 AM

But they could just open it back up for a few days and only allow withdrawals, right? Opening up just for a few hours would definitely mess some people up. I don't know though, the owner is probably rightfully paranoid.

I think one could argue that this is just scummy behaviour. Bitblender has been online for years, you really think a couple days will make a difference?
He's storing god knows how many user funds on his website, why is everyone so hellbent to give him a pass regarding this?

I mean, being online for a few more days is definitely a lot better than only an additional few hours, so.. I'd take the few more days. Also, I don't think it's just that people are "giving him a pass". Not saying that his intentions aren't to run away with the money, but there's also just that good probability that the dude is just trying to bail asap to not be potentially prosecuted or something. But then again, I have no idea. We can really only speculate for now.

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I don’t think 2 days was enough either (it should be, but people are stubborn). But I understand why they would do that, and I really don’t think they are doing that on purpose to “exit scam” with the paranoid card.

2 days + several hours is nowhere near enough. Especially considering how (as mentioned above) there are privacy benefits in waiting instead of spending the mixed coins immediately. Most businesses also give their users months of time to withdraw their money. Bestmixer was also more explicit than Bitblender in saying how their service can be used to (potentially) launder money.

https://securingtomorrow.mcafee.com/other-blogs/mcafee-labs/crypto-currency-laundering-service-bestmixer-io-taken-down-by-law-enforcement/

If Bitblender's OPSEC had some lapses (and if they had actually broken the law which I'm not so sure about), then it's on them to fix their shit and return the money they owe. If they needed to take a break before relaunching the site where people can withdraw what they are owed, I think that would be reasonable. But what they're doing now looks more like an exit scam.

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He stayed up for 48 hours after announcing he was shutting down. And after that, opened for a few more hours to give people a second chance to withdraw.

I’m not trying to defend him, but if he got scared by BestMixer’s shutdown and wants to clean house ASAP, he won’t waste any time to wipe everything that can link him to the mixer. People shouldn’t be using them as a wallet anyways (simple fact). And the whole process can be done in a day (send, mix, withdrawal). So, why should he spend a whole week or month waiting for people when as far as he know the police may come busting his door at any moment?

I don’t think 2 days was enough either (it should be, but people are stubborn). But I understand why they would do that, and I really don’t think they are doing that on purpose to “exit scam” with the paranoid card.

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Quote from: suzanne5223 on May 31, 2019, 08:41:55 AM

Quote from: AdolfinWolf on May 31, 2019, 05:00:59 AM

Quote from: AdolfinWolf on May 31, 2019, 05:00:59 AM

I am dubious in terms of this. Why they are so rushed? whether they know something they did not tell us?
Only a few hours to withdraw are not enough for many users.

One of their competitors just got shutdown by several government agencies... that’s no joke.

So is stealing funds from your customers...?

You seem to know a lot of things going on about the mixing companies shut down and the causes. Could you explain what you mean by "so is stealing funds from your customers"?

I just pointed out that it's quite disrespectful to close your site down while some of your customers have no idea what's happening and are losing tremendous amounts of funds because of it. whether that's done on purpose or not, it's still something that's not to be taken lightly.

saving your own skin at the expense of your customers is something i could understand, but that doesn't make it right.
hence the "It's no joke either to block your customers from accessing their funds/stealing from them" comment.

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I am dubious in terms of this. Why they are so rushed? whether they know something they did not tell us?
Only a few hours to withdraw are not enough for many users.

One of their competitors just got shutdown by several government agencies... that’s no joke.

So is stealing funds from your customers...?

You seem to know a lot of things going on about the mixing companies shut down and the causes. Could you explain what you mean by "so is stealing funds from your customers"?

But they could just open it back up for a few days and only allow withdrawals, right? Opening up just for a few hours would definitely mess some people up. I don't know though, the owner is probably rightfully paranoid.

You're right but they have shut down a couple of days back before they open the site for few hours because of this guy and some people who are yet to move their coins but I wonder why someone would ever think not to talk of keeping his coins on tumbler site.

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But they could just open it back up for a few days and only allow withdrawals, right? Opening up just for a few hours would definitely mess some people up. I don't know though, the owner is probably rightfully paranoid.

I think one could argue that this is just scummy behaviour. Bitblender has been online for years, you really think a couple days will make a difference?
He's storing god knows how many user funds on his website, why is everyone so hellbent to give him a pass regarding this?

This just looks to me like he's trying to exit scam and run off with the funds of his customers... under the guise of "paranoia"...?
(I don't think anyone knows the identity behind the operators of bitblender, so i guess if they wanted to exit-scam they would've already done so, -- still, i don't think this was the right way for them to handle this.)

I am dubious in terms of this. Why they are so rushed? whether they know something they did not tell us?
Only a few hours to withdraw are not enough for many users.

One of their competitors just got shutdown by several government agencies... that’s no joke.

So is stealing funds from your customers...?

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Quote from: akamit on May 30, 2019, 02:59:43 PM

But they could just open it back up for a few days and only allow withdrawals, right? Opening up just for a few hours would definitely mess some people up. I don't know though, the owner is probably rightfully paranoid.

Definitely they can. Maybe they might have be tipped of been under investigation lets not forget bestmixer was under a year long investigation but no one knew. If they feel threating their decision is justifiable. This is like the bear market for mixers now we'll know those mixer inwhich our privacy is truely anonymous.

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This could be the reason

It's only 3 days ago Bitblender announced about the close, maybe there are some other cases as like the mentioned link.

Quote from: gentlemand on May 30, 2019, 02:52:28 PM

One of their competitors just got shutdown by several government agencies... that’s no joke.

But they could just open it back up for a few days and only allow withdrawals, right? Opening up just for a few hours would definitely mess some people up. I don't know though, the owner is probably rightfully paranoid.

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Why would anyone keep a bean on a mixing service for more than a few minutes? Anything other than in - out - gone is nuts.

Kudos to OP for badgering.

There are privacy considerations. The longer you wait to withdraw, the less likely you are to be linked to your original deposit re: blockchain analysis. Chipmixer has discussed this before:

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When you withdraw a chip, you receive a copy of private key encrypted on the mixer's server. You are free to sweep it yourself, ask us to send it to your address or keep it on chip for a while. Only the last option keeps your funds vunerable to our dishonesty, but it also extends your privacy. If you sweep funds from chip in first 12h after your input, you receive same privacy as you would get from standard mixer. If you trust us (as you already did when you sent coins into mixer) and spend chip when you need it, then you achieve maximum privacy you can get.

Aside from that, I've known people who used darknet market accounts as wallets, too. I also made the same mistake with exchange accounts in my earlier days. In my experience, people like to store coins on whatever third party services they normally use (out of convenience) until it comes back to bite them once or twice. Then they learn their lesson.

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