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Topic: Still think Agenda 21 is a crazy conspiracy theory ? (Read 4883 times)

legendary
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Encryption does not help if it uses X.509 certificates (SSL).  They are broken because various issuing authorities that come in browsers by default are actually government authorities, and they issue certificates to tap SSL traffic like candy.  There's even specialized DPI hardware that will decrypt the original traffic to your computer, read and inspect it, then re-encrypt using these phony certificates, while the user is none the wiser.

Moreover, they can easily block all encrypted traffic but allow it just for connections inbetween IPs they whitelist.

That's when it's time to go to side-channel or steganography.
legendary
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Encryption does not help if it uses X.509 certificates (SSL).  They are broken because various issuing authorities that come in browsers by default are actually government authorities, and they issue certificates to tap SSL traffic like candy.  There's even specialized DPI hardware that will decrypt the original traffic to your computer, read and inspect it, then re-encrypt using these phony certificates, while the user is none the wiser.

Yes, the model for encryption for HTTPS is very broken and wrongheaded. But I was also referring to things like email and IM. Everything should be end-to-end encrypted except that expressly designated for public consumption.
newbie
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Encryption does not help if it uses X.509 certificates (SSL).  They are broken because various issuing authorities that come in browsers by default are actually government authorities, and they issue certificates to tap SSL traffic like candy.  There's even specialized DPI hardware that will decrypt the original traffic to your computer, read and inspect it, then re-encrypt using these phony certificates, while the user is none the wiser.
legendary
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"At a conference in Dubai this week, the ITU members decided to adopt the Y.2770 standard for deep packet inspection, a top-secret
proposal by way of China that will allow telecom companies across the world to more easily dig through data passed across the Web.

According to the UN, implementing deep-packet inspection, or DPI, on such a global scale will allow authorities to more easily detect the
transferring and sharing of copyrighted materials and other protected files by finding a way for administrators to analyze the payload of
online transmissions, not just the header data that is normally identified and interpreted."

http://rt.com/usa/news/un-internet-itu-packet-385/

time to encrypt everything

It always has been, really. This may actually be a good thing in a roundabout way.
hero member
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weaving spiders come not here
"At a conference in Dubai this week, the ITU members decided to adopt the Y.2770 standard for deep packet inspection, a top-secret
proposal by way of China that will allow telecom companies across the world to more easily dig through data passed across the Web.

According to the UN, implementing deep-packet inspection, or DPI, on such a global scale will allow authorities to more easily detect the
transferring and sharing of copyrighted materials and other protected files by finding a way for administrators to analyze the payload of
online transmissions, not just the header data that is normally identified and interpreted."

http://rt.com/usa/news/un-internet-itu-packet-385/

time to encrypt everything
hero member
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weaving spiders come not here
The commercial is intended to provoke outrage.

The commercial is intended to sell books. And, like other Beck products, it trades on paranoia and fear.

Not saying it is a crazy conspiracy theory, not saying it isn't. Just that the commercial probably isn't your best source of data.

This is not my first bitcointalk Agenda 21 rodeo. The issue has received enormous coverage here with sourced data. No need to reinvent the wheel, son... or get into an endless irrational debate with lefties.

The commercial is intended to provoke outrage.

I could care less if someone sells books with it.

Beck has an enormous audience the issue is reaching that can only be addressed at the state or local level, because the feds are ramming it down our throats and so are our municipalities with their foreign fund money driven ordinances and planning. Its going to take municipalities, counties, and states fighting for their sovereignty to beat it.

Its educating people.

Its helping to wake them up, and I am ALL for that.


hero member
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FIAT LIBERTAS RVAT CAELVM
The commercial is intended to provoke outrage.

The commercial is intended to sell books. And, like other Beck products, it trades on paranoia and fear.

Not saying it is a crazy conspiracy theory, not saying it isn't. Just that the commercial probably isn't your best source of data.
hero member
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weaving spiders come not here
I hate to break it to you, but the ad was made by Glenn Beck to promote his dystopian novel about agenda 21. http://www.glennbeck.com/agenda21/

The Blaze is his channel.

And? You probably haven't checked much about Agenda 21 elsewhere.

And? No one who did not think Agenda 21 is a crazy conspiracy theory should be convinced by a misleading advertisement from an idiot trying to sell a book. I'm only commenting on the misleading OP, not the existence of Agenda 21.

The commercial is intended to provoke outrage.

Look at the world around you. Take a look at your local municipal code/ordinance/zoning.

sr. member
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I hate to break it to you, but the ad was made by Glenn Beck to promote his dystopian novel about agenda 21. http://www.glennbeck.com/agenda21/

The Blaze is his channel.

And? You probably haven't checked much about Agenda 21 elsewhere.

And? No one who did not think Agenda 21 is a crazy conspiracy theory should be convinced by a misleading advertisement from an idiot trying to sell a book. I'm only commenting on the misleading OP, not the existence of Agenda 21.
hero member
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weaving spiders come not here
I hate to break it to you, but the ad was made by Glenn Beck to promote his dystopian novel about agenda 21. http://www.glennbeck.com/agenda21/

The Blaze is his channel.

Agenda 21 is the action plan of the United Nations 1992 Earth Summit Biodiversity Agenda to circumvent national and state/regional sovereignty, governments and legislation to take control of everything you value on the local level for the greater good of the collective.

Its taxing everything you do with fees and fines and use local police to enforce it.

The ultimate goal is to end property rights and take control of the worlds land and its limited resources ... which is all thats needed to survive on a rock flying through space by the way. Whoever controls them controls the world and its people.

Rich entitled land owners, bankers, royalty, and multi-national corporate stooges are dividing up the world between them, then telling you its for your own good. They use wealth as a weapon, making us feel bad for busting ass and working hard and doing good, when all they really want is to increase their own while turning you into a slave.



sr. member
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I hate to break it to you, but the ad was made by Glenn Beck to promote his dystopian novel about agenda 21. http://www.glennbeck.com/agenda21/

The Blaze is his channel.
hero member
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So, the only thing anyone here knows about agenda 21 is that it is secretly an evil plan. Yep, that's a crazy conspiracy theory alright.

What part of it you think is not evil? Are you another one who bought into sustainable development and social justice stuff?

"Sony developed and patented technology that can transmit audio messages to person's brain over a distance. It'll help deaf people."  Grin

Gotta be truly retarded to not see what's behind it all.

Thats usually called a loudspeaker or internet, can transmit audio messages over a distance.
newbie
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I don't think we need to debate conspiracies or conspiracy theories to know that states are malevolent organizations, when the result of statism is pretty clear: 250 million dead corpses, only in the 20th century, excluding wars.

Who needs to determine whether two mafiosi got together to create a plan to filch some coins fromm the people, when the hundred mafiosi have already murdered thousands of people, right?
hero member
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No really what is agenda 21..?
Ask FirstAscent. I'm sure he'll be able to explain in excruciating detail.

Sorry, but I don't keep up with conspiracy theories and speculations about mysterious videos.
hero member
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I only posted those links because they include conversation on Agenda 21 and had no intention of implying "aliens are behind Agenda 21".

If you're incapable of making such a determination or don't feel any of it worth consideration then whatever melts your butter pal.
I was only quoting your links man. I didn't necessarily think you believed it. But it does reveal how ludicrous the conspiracy theorists ideas are.
Some of that is deliberate - from both sides. Some are looking to discredit the whole group, some are just trying to put out a little "assassination insurance."
legendary
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The revolution will be monetized!

I only posted those links because they include conversation on Agenda 21 and had no intention of implying "aliens are behind Agenda 21".

If you're incapable of making such a determination or don't feel any of it worth consideration then whatever melts your butter pal.
I was only quoting your links man. I didn't necessarily think you believed it. But it does reveal how ludicrous the conspiracy theorists ideas are.
full member
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I only posted those links because they include conversation on Agenda 21 with a fairly credible ex-government source and had no intention of implying "aliens are behind Agenda 21".

If you're incapable of making such a determination or don't feel any of it worth consideration then my sympathies and whatever melts your butter pal.
legendary
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The revolution will be monetized!
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Sorry to bust a party, but there's no conspiracy!
Agenda 21 (Croatian: Plan 21) is currently being carried over in Croatia since the last elections.

Conspiracies aren't always hidden... and sometimes they succeed.

I agree.
The last successfull one here, breaking apart the Balkans region, was not hidden at all but well funded.
There's a decent documentary about 2hrs long "Weight of Chains", here's a trailer and a full movie available on youtube describing the plan and it's execution.
hero member
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Sorry to bust a party, but there's no conspiracy!
Agenda 21 (Croatian: Plan 21) is currently being carried over in Croatia since the last elections.

Conspiracies aren't always hidden... and sometimes they succeed.
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