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Topic: Stop acting like you have to choose between Neos and Monero!!! This is why (Read 1816 times)

legendary
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seems like btsx is rising while btc is falling
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In two weeks time Anoncoin will release the zerocoin testnet, and if all goes as planed two weeks later the hardfork with full trustless zerocoin implementation will be released, raising the bar for anontech.

That will surely be pumpable event, but is that tech really usable in the real world, i.e. does it scale well?

Also consider making a entry in a old coin revived by major bagholders..
Still pumpable event but long term!?
Maybe if Anoncoin is in bed with SuperNET i dont know.




ANC has been here for over a year with steady development, that should tell you all you need to know about longterm. At the bubbletop in desember 2013 it was at 10$ pr. ANC before the price inflated along with all other coins, still it did not die, the devs just kept on working on zerocoin and i2p. I think it's safe to say that ANC has proved itself longterm. Read the links in my sig.

Could be you prefer nice promises, fancy roadmaps and  hasty pumps. If you on the other hand want a coin with comitted and proven devs where the community discuss other things than how many sats the coin will be worth in a month and posts pictures of rockets, then consider ANC.

Not to mention ANC with zerocoin, 100% trustless anonymity.

Anoncoin dont even have updated pool lists, compare the offical list with hashrate and you find that 99% of it is someplace else.
Anoncoin website!? I mean cmon parts of it is really really bad.
Why trust someone for anontech when they cant even made a proper website?
Anon team obviously dont even want people to mine it since they only point people towards pools that if lucky find 2-3 blocks per day.
Hashrate is 16-17GH/s on all listed pools you find 0.4GH/s in total, if they dont bother to update basic stuff how do they tend the rest?
Anoncoin must be the largest % private hashrate scrypt coin atm.
legendary
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(...) and how cool syntaks is. Never anything of substance. (...)

The point is: If you invest in Crypto, you invest in the Devs. The Devs develop substantial quality or they don't. If you do your research about Syntaks, his team and the Neosproject, you will find out: They've already developed substantial quality and it was only the start. I don't like to say "buy this or that". All I would say: Everybody should do his research and that includes, in my eyes and mainly: The Dev-Team. I did it and my personal conclusion is: The best Dev I've seen. So far, Neos is the only Coin I personally say: I see nothing to doubt about.
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In two weeks time Anoncoin will release the zerocoin testnet, and if all goes as planed two weeks later the hardfork with full trustless zerocoin implementation will be released, raising the bar for anontech.

That will surely be pumpable event, but is that tech really usable in the real world, i.e. does it scale well?

As far as I know ANC was never meant to become the everydaycoin that you use to buy bubblegum at the store. ANC is for the deep web and transactions where you need as much anonymity as you can get.

And that's a thing I find strange with all these new coins with their "revolutionary" anontech, they actually think they can be the most anonymous coin and the everydaycoin at the same time. Fact is that such a hybrid will never be allowed by any government. That is why I think Monero, in spite of its qualities, can never overtake bitcoin. Anonymity is a niche and will never be more because of money laundering regulations, and ANC is about to step heavily into that niche.

I can respect that, Neos will be used by more than criminals lol, this is true. Although, ANC may come out with some great improvements, Neos has a anon system that IS working now.

The main thing to remember here, is even if it is attacked, broken, or whatever you want to call it, even in a worse case breakdown, there is still no way for the user, or his transactions, to become public knowledge, EVER!!

That is the way it is set up, no logs, so no matter what happens, people can COUNT on staying invisible.

Im not sure many coins can say that, especially not CN coins, and we will see how the implementation of the zerocoin tech works out.

Honestly, I wish you and ANC well.
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Moon?
In two weeks time Anoncoin will release the zerocoin testnet, and if all goes as planed two weeks later the hardfork with full trustless zerocoin implementation will be released, raising the bar for anontech.

That will surely be pumpable event, but is that tech really usable in the real world, i.e. does it scale well?

As far as I know ANC was never meant to become the everydaycoin that you use to buy bubblegum at the store. ANC is for the deep web and transactions where you need as much anonymity as you can get.

And that's a thing I find strange with all these new coins with their "revolutionary" anontech, they actually think they can be the most anonymous coin and the everydaycoin at the same time. Fact is that such a hybrid will never be allowed by any government. That is why I think Monero, in spite of its qualities, can never overtake bitcoin. Anonymity is a niche and can not be more because of money laundering regulations, and ANC is about to step heavily into that niche.
sr. member
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In two weeks time Anoncoin will release the zerocoin testnet, and if all goes as planed two weeks later the hardfork with full trustless zerocoin implementation will be released, raising the bar for anontech.

That will surely be pumpable event, but is that tech really usable in the real world, i.e. does it scale well?

Also consider making a entry in a old coin revived by major bagholders..
Still pumpable event but long term!?
Maybe if Anoncoin is in bed with SuperNET i dont know.




ANC has been here for over a year with steady development, that should tell you all you need to know about longterm. At the bubbletop in desember 2013 it was at 10$ pr. ANC before the price inflated along with all other coins, still it did not die, the devs just kept on working on zerocoin and i2p. I think it's safe to say that ANC has proved itself longterm. Read the links in my sig.

Could be you prefer nice promises, fancy roadmaps and  hasty pumps. If you on the other hand want a coin with comitted and proven devs where the community discuss other things than how many sats the coin will be worth in a month and posts pictures of rockets, then consider ANC.

Not to mention ANC with zerocoin, 100% trustless anonymity.
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In two weeks time Anoncoin will release the zerocoin testnet, and if all goes as planed two weeks later the hardfork with full trustless zerocoin implementation will be released, raising the bar for anontech.

That will surely be pumpable event, but is that tech really usable in the real world, i.e. does it scale well?

Also consider making a entry in a old coin revived by major bagholders..
Still pumpable event but long term!?
Maybe if Anoncoin is in bed with SuperNET i dont know.


hero member
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In two weeks time Anoncoin will release the zerocoin testnet, and if all goes as planed two weeks later the hardfork with full trustless zerocoin implementation will be released, raising the bar for anontech.

That will surely be pumpable event, but is that tech really usable in the real world, i.e. does it scale well?
sr. member
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Seems to me the biggest sellingpoint you neos-people are marketing is the low marketcap so that new investors can drive the next pump. Either that or it's syntaks-worship. Each time I bump into something neos the only thing you talk about is how many sat it will be worth in a few weeks and how cool syntaks is. Never anything of substance.

Furthermore, has anyone seen this arbitrush-code you are bragging about? If not, how can you claim superior anon? All I've seen is some mention of nodes, quite possibly centralized, what's so new about that.



In two weeks time Anoncoin will release the zerocoin testnet, and if all goes as planed two weeks later the hardfork with full trustless zerocoin implementation will be released, raising the bar for anontech. Where will neos be then?

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NEOS currently is at marketcap of $144k. It's 100% is just $288k. 1000% would be $1.4M. That is still way under the monero's current marketcap. It's like NEOS has to be like %3500 to reach MONERO's marketcap.




I will create a brand new coin and launch it tomorrow. Are you telling me it's wise to invest in my coin because it has a small market cap or because it has more growth potential?

No.


Stop with the stupid arguments.
sr. member
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I like Monero and I like NEOS too.

I would choose to invest in NEOS because I think it has much more potential of price moving upward than Monero.

Reason why? Its the marketcap. Monero has reached it's "maximum" in most the investor's eyes. Monero is a great coin with all the features it offers, but $4.3M is a huge marketcap for it now. To earn a 100% or 1000% return. The the marketcap has to reach $8.6M for %100 gain and $43M for %1000.
This might be all good in reading, but this is nearly impossible given the current trend of cryptos where new cryptocoins pop in everyday.

NEOS currently is at marketcap of $144k. It's 100% is just $288k. 1000% would be $1.4M. That is still way under the monero's current marketcap. It's like NEOS has to be like %3500 to reach MONERO's marketcap.

P.S I have put my money where my mouth is. So don't think I have not invested in it and only telling you to do.  Wink
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If Neos anon breaks, even in the most successful attack, all it does at worst, is that group of nodes gets attacked. it doesn't matter.  Because nodes are forwarding all information to the highest bidder anyways

There.  Fixed.

Newbie post with no connection to reality, and with obviously no research done. Well I guess that can be expected on this forum.

So I encourage you to sign up and join the Neos community at their official forum.

http://forum.neoscoin.com/

This way you don't have to be constantly exposed to worthless and pointless posts from fudders that can't even use their real usernames because they don't want to be connected to the false information they post.

Monero has a forum in the works as far as I know, but that is only something I heard, so I can't say for sure.

He might have more connection to reality than you do. 

well at least you are using your real acct

and if this is what you really think is true, fine.

You are incorrect, but like I said, I respect you can state your opinions without hiding.

You just need you educate yourself a little more is all.

This is my opinion, that a little more info may help you out, I know you dont mean any malice with your post and that is good.

You have the right to your own perception of reality that is all your own. I respect that.
legendary
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If Neos anon breaks, even in the most successful attack, all it does at worst, is that group of nodes gets attacked. it doesn't matter.  Because nodes are forwarding all information to the highest bidder anyways

There.  Fixed.

Newbie post with no connection to reality, and with obviously no research done. Well I guess that can be expected on this forum.

So I encourage you to sign up and join the Neos community at their official forum.

http://forum.neoscoin.com/

This way you don't have to be constantly exposed to worthless and pointless posts from fudders that can't even use their real usernames because they don't want to be connected to the false information they post.

Monero has a forum in the works as far as I know, but that is only something I heard, so I can't say for sure.

He might have more connection to reality than you do. 
sr. member
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If Neos anon breaks, even in the most successful attack, all it does at worst, is that group of nodes gets attacked. it doesn't matter.  Because nodes are forwarding all information to the highest bidder anyways

There.  Fixed.

Newbie post with no connection to reality, and with obviously no research done. Well I guess that can be expected on this forum.

So I encourage you to sign up and join the Neos community at their official forum.

http://forum.neoscoin.com/

This way you don't have to be constantly exposed to worthless and pointless posts from fudders that can't even use their real usernames because they don't want to be connected to the false information they post.

Monero has a forum in the works as far as I know, but that is only something I heard, so I can't say for sure.
legendary
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Yes, you do not have to choose either. Both are not going to be in for the long term.
Just ride out the ups and downs and make money Smiley
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If Neos anon breaks, even in the most successful attack, all it does at worst, is that group of nodes gets attacked. it doesn't matter.  Because nodes are forwarding all information to the highest bidder anyways

There.  Fixed.
legendary
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Or you can buy neither
sr. member
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1. Neos does not need to ride off of Moneros coatails. It takes a totally different approach than Monero. If the ring signatures break down it can allow the identity of its users to become comprised, among other things. Of course this is only Worst case basis.

2. If Neos anon breaks, even in the most successful attack, all it does at worst, is that group of nodes gets attacked. The system would only need to use a different group of nodes to handle its unique anon system. However, because no logs are kept, there is no chance of the identity of the users making the transactions to become comprised. People can complain about how this can be looked at as centralized, it runs full circle, and anyone using it because they need to COUNT ON staying anonymous, they can be rest assured that is the case, even in a breakdown of the system. Period, either way, worst case, you are anonymous.

This is what some users NEED to know, that even in the worse case scenario, they are safe.

This is NOT the case with Monero, as stated by the most respected members of the community such as AM, and high profile developers such as jl777.

This is why Neos will win the anon race. It breaks, you are still invisible.

3. Neos also has full support from within the wallet, communication from within the wallet, between users that are protected as well.

4. You can trade on Bittrex, Mintpal, Poloneix, Blutrade, etc. from within the wallet

5. Anywhere you can spend Bitcoin, you can spend Neos, anywhere.

As you can see, Neos is clearly superior to Monero on many levels, but as others have stated, I dont keep all my investments in one place, and Monero is still a GREAT coin, and I hold some as well.
hero member
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Plus, NEOS' anon is an absolutely perfect implementation and impossible to break, unlike the ring signatures Monero uses.

Is it true?
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