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newbie
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 But keeping profits purely bitcoin and paying for services the same way is bound to attract the IRS eventually.  

I doubt this really.  Governments everywhere had other methods of taxation before the income tax, which only came to the US in 1913.  Prior to that, the better part of the US federal revenue came from excise taxes on alchohol.  Bitcoin just makes the income tax difficult again.  It doesn't abolish a governments abilities to tax.  The US might end up with a liquid fuel importation tax, which would work similar to Europe's VAT taxes on fuel.  The results would be to vastly favor oil pumped and refined within the US is economically favored, but it's impossible to supply the US on domestic production alone.  This creates a bottleneck that the government can watch (ports) and collect taxes.

I agree 100% that 100 years ago the US was more sensible about taxation (income tax is a big point).  But the IRS has been co-oped as a pseudo-police force in recent decades.  Watching the raids where the IRS shows up swat team style and confiscates everything in sight based on a "tip".  Anything that makes wealth transfer hard to track has become illegal.

The post 9/11 "Know your customer" rules and the fact that you can be arrested and have money confiscated just for carrying a few thousand dollars shows a sad road ahead.  I wish my comment was purely a tax policy issue but like the "Interstate Commerce Clause" abuse that the courts seem to just let slide, I see the US government as willing to use any means necessary to stop something they don't like.

I need to read up on a liquid fuel tax structure, but I was under the belief that the US has most of the refining capacity so the oil producers ship crude here to be refined.  Not sure how that would work.  I just worry for the mining pool operators in the US getting a "No Knock" visit for supporting something the government doesn't like.  Hopefully it won't happen soon or at all.
legendary
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Eadem mutata resurgo
yes, there is nothing quite like a good googling for the old girl ....
full member
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Don't be surprised if Arnold kicks down your door and blows away your mining rigs w/ a shotgun.

His endoskeleton has no match against my super-duper concrete donkey:

sr. member
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Today a woman asked me if I installed google on her laptop
You should have replied, "we don't do that here", as if she asked for a happy ending of some sort.
legendary
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can't see it working with bitcoin mining rigs unless this society is even more far gone than my paranoid mind is imagining ... unlikely, but I've underestimated the depravity of the "state is god mentality" before

Today a woman asked me if I installed google on her laptop

Was this after she asked you to fix her cupholder?
legendary
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can't see it working with bitcoin mining rigs unless this society is even more far gone than my paranoid mind is imagining ... unlikely, but I've underestimated the depravity of the "state is god mentality" before

Today a woman asked me if I installed google on her laptop
Well... did you???
full member
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can't see it working with bitcoin mining rigs unless this society is even more far gone than my paranoid mind is imagining ... unlikely, but I've underestimated the depravity of the "state is god mentality" before

Today a woman asked me if I installed google on her laptop
legendary
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Eadem mutata resurgo

they have to first make bitcoin miners look like criminals before they actually go after them or else they lose the public relations war with braindead mainstreamers ...

how's it gonna look if the goons are kicking in doors of geeks with gaming rigs on "COPS" shows .... those same geeks who bought us lovely toys like iPhone, Facebook, Twitter, email, internet porn ... notta good look ... they can't paint a 100,000 geeks as hackers.

it's much easier to kick in doors of some poor mexican immigrant worker's hovel in a huge over the top "drug raid" for half a bag of weed ... put it to loud thumping music, shakey, excitable, hand-held camera work and bright spotlights on scared "perp" shots and you got yourself a nice bad guy, good guy narrative and police state desensitisation all in a TV show ...

can't see it working with bitcoin mining rigs unless this society is even more far gone than my paranoid mind is imagining ... unlikely, but I've underestimated the depravity of the "state is god mentality" before
legendary
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 But keeping profits purely bitcoin and paying for services the same way is bound to attract the IRS eventually.  

I doubt this really.  Governments everywhere had other methods of taxation before the income tax, which only came to the US in 1913.  Prior to that, the better part of the US federal revenue came from excise taxes on alchohol.  Bitcoin just makes the income tax difficult again.  It doesn't abolish a governments abilities to tax.  The US might end up with a liquid fuel importation tax, which would work similar to Europe's VAT taxes on fuel.  The results would be to vastly favor oil pumped and refined within the US is economicly favored, but it's impossible to supply the US on domestic production alone.  This creates a bottleneck that the government can watch (ports) and collect taxes.
newbie
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I think the primary way the government might attack bitcoin is over taxes.  Converting USD to Bitcoin can be claimed as income on a tax form (investment profits) and should be fine.  But keeping profits purely bitcoin and paying for services the same way is bound to attract the IRS eventually.  Right now bitcoin trades as a commodity like gold.  

The perceived value of the item causes people to buy in (USD) and cash out (USD) like any other market.  Now you can trade real gold for services and goods but once again the tax man gets angry.

The buy in and cash out process can provide legitimacy since USD could be considered the currency and bitcoin the commodity.  Now I know the central idea is pure bitcoin transactions but that rainbow is closer to the 21million mark.  We need the difficulty to stop being a factor and the mining pools to disband once their job is done (I'm am not against them - I use them) to see bitcoin only transactions to become (a broad) reality.  Since all are real costs of living in the US are denominated in USD the price of a bitcoin (or fraction of) needs to find a stable point.

I don't think we will get there until we make the transition from a mining driven model to the transaction model that comes later.

As for my rig it is self aware and has decided since it is trapped in a black metal box the best course of action is buying it's freedom with Mh/hr.
legendary
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Skynet killed because its designers killed and the tendencies emerged in the software (or if you wanna go scifi, the hardware).

Nothing to worry about.

If the mining rigs ever become self-consistent, they will attack the federal reserve and blame it on Anonymous, which Anons will have a hard time not agreeing with.
how exactly does hashing result in intelligence? That's like saying all of the calculators in the world will become sentient.
legendary
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It is very easy to shut down bitcoin! they can buy it all! :p

IIRC, the US Gov't did exactly that maybe a year or so ago one time when a book came out they didn't like the content of.

That was the memoir of a former CIA operative.
member
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Skynet killed because its designers killed and the tendencies emerged in the software (or if you wanna go scifi, the hardware).

Nothing to worry about.

If the mining rigs ever become self-consistent, they will attack the federal reserve and blame it on Anonymous, which Anons will have a hard time not agreeing with.
member
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It is very easy to shut down bitcoin! they can buy it all! :p

Thus driving the price up to astronomical levels and making mining insanely profitable.
member
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Paypal fairly recently shut down arguably the most painless-to-use BTC seller, Coinpal, and I'm not entirely convinced Paypal came to the decision internally after giving it the OK multiple times.

From having worked with PayPal in other contexts, I can assure you that they will shut you down for sneezing funny, no matter what promises they have made in the past, and without explanation.
sr. member
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I also recall a pharma company sending agents to purchase all of their products at pharmacies produced when one of their manufacturing plants failed to meet certain safety guidelines so they wouldn't have to issue a recall (or something like that).
It was Johnson & Johnson. I'm sure others have done it, too.
legendary
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It is very easy to shut down bitcoin! they can buy it all! :p

IIRC, the US Gov't did exactly that maybe a year or so ago one time when a book came out they didn't like the content of. I also recall a pharma company sending agents to purchase all of their products at pharmacies produced when one of their manufacturing plants failed to meet certain safety guidelines so they wouldn't have to issue a recall (or something like that).

Not that outlandish of an idea. Wink
They can only buy what people are willing to sell...
sr. member
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The current bitcoin owners could get rich if they bought it all =D
donator
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It is very easy to shut down bitcoin! they can buy it all! :p

IIRC, the US Gov't did exactly that maybe a year or so ago one time when a book came out they didn't like the content of. I also recall a pharma company sending agents to purchase all of their products at pharmacies produced when one of their manufacturing plants failed to meet certain safety guidelines so they wouldn't have to issue a recall (or something like that).

Not that outlandish of an idea. Wink
full member
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It is very easy to shut down bitcoin! they can buy it all! :p
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