Topic: Stop buying from automated producers / businesses, it's making you poor (Read 360 times)
June 03, 2022, 07:58:47 AM
The development of the times will continue to happen, when in the past people relied on farmers in the fields who used hoes but now we almost rarely find farmers who hoe and have switched to tractors, of course from an economic point of view it is more effective with tractors and in my opinion as long as it is for productive activities it is a big thing better.
June 03, 2022, 04:20:00 AM
I understand that technology and specially automated tech, is something that feels wrong for so many people. However, you need to realize that this is the next step towards capitalism and how it will rule out. Why do you think the world is in so much financial trouble right now when we have so many people?
We are at our peak population, we have enough people to produce anything we want, we could literally produce enough lambos for everyone, we have the resources for that and the people for that, or tesla for everyone and solar panels to cover all the energy needs we would ever have. These are all there, why not have it? Because that won't be profitable for the elite, that is the only reason.
We are at our peak population, we have enough people to produce anything we want, we could literally produce enough lambos for everyone, we have the resources for that and the people for that, or tesla for everyone and solar panels to cover all the energy needs we would ever have. These are all there, why not have it? Because that won't be profitable for the elite, that is the only reason.
May 29, 2022, 04:29:42 AM
If only that was done like that. If you have 10 dollars per burger, and you spend 5 bucks of it on salaries, then you will be looking ways to drop that. Now imagine you took out a loan and bought some machines now you have just very few people, so now you spend 1.5 dollars on the salaries and 1.5 dollars on the loan, total of 3 dollars goes to this instead of 5 and do they drop the price? No, they still sell it for 10, or at best 9. So not only people lose their jobs but the price is the same as well.
Due to inflation it even goes higher as well, which means that at certain point many people will be unemployed and the prices will be the same or more.
There are places that does promotions and discounts or do get buy 2 get 1 type of situations in that case. Plus, humanity will grow towards better and better technology one way or another, there is no way of stopping it. A company is only entitled on making money, there is no responsibility to get as many workers as possible, that would be ideal and lovely but if they do not need to then they won't do it.Due to inflation it even goes higher as well, which means that at certain point many people will be unemployed and the prices will be the same or more.
Places like logistics are the most worked on for example, because there are so many people working in warehouses of amazon and similar places, and they are paying salaries the most, and I believe that it will become as less worker oriented as possible since they are spending so much money on RD for it.
May 27, 2022, 04:15:15 PM
If only that was done like that. If you have 10 dollars per burger, and you spend 5 bucks of it on salaries, then you will be looking ways to drop that. Now imagine you took out a loan and bought some machines now you have just very few people, so now you spend 1.5 dollars on the salaries and 1.5 dollars on the loan, total of 3 dollars goes to this instead of 5 and do they drop the price? No, they still sell it for 10, or at best 9. So not only people lose their jobs but the price is the same as well.
Due to inflation it even goes higher as well, which means that at certain point many people will be unemployed and the prices will be the same or more.
There are places that does promotions and discounts or do get buy 2 get 1 type of situations in that case. Plus, humanity will grow towards better and better technology one way or another, there is no way of stopping it. A company is only entitled on making money, there is no responsibility to get as many workers as possible, that would be ideal and lovely but if they do not need to then they won't do it.Due to inflation it even goes higher as well, which means that at certain point many people will be unemployed and the prices will be the same or more.
Places like logistics are the most worked on for example, because there are so many people working in warehouses of amazon and similar places, and they are paying salaries the most, and I believe that it will become as less worker oriented as possible since they are spending so much money on RD for it.
May 27, 2022, 02:34:19 AM
Machinery / technology / robotics / ai is making you poor
The aim for all producers / businesses is to make their factories fully automated ( meaning to get rid of humans in the manufacturing process )
We are 8 billion people on Earth ,it's impossible for all of us to work for Governments / in Programming or Creativity related jobs.
The aim for all producers / businesses is to make their factories fully automated ( meaning to get rid of humans in the manufacturing process )
We are 8 billion people on Earth ,it's impossible for all of us to work for Governments / in Programming or Creativity related jobs.
I think your name should be gweb1816. The nonsense you are talking was already said 200 years ago and time has shown that it was bullshit. They had their point of logic if we look at it from a historical point of view but they were of an amazing narrow mindedness, the same that you have 200 years later.
Precisely what has increased global wealth is the use of machines and automatic processes, which has increased productivity exponentially.
May 27, 2022, 02:28:19 AM
Now more and more jobs are replaced with machines or robots, I work in a ceramic and granite production company and since the last 10 years the company has done efficiency because a lot of work is replaced with machines from raw material settings to the packing process, all of them are now carried out, and since At that time more than 5000 people lost their jobs.
May 25, 2022, 12:11:36 PM
"The average labor cost percentage should typically be in the range of 20% to 35% of a company's gross sales. However, there are variations, depending on your field. It's not uncommon for restaurants and other service businesses to have a labor cost percentage of up to 50%." - https://www.hourly.io/post/how-is-labor-cost-calculated
Now, if almost 1/4 of your total cost can be slashed from your company expenses.... you would be able to reduce the price of your goods, which means that the consumers will also benefit from the reduced price. (remember .....labor cost goes up every year)
We cannot have our bread buttered on both ends.... Cheap prices for goods & Work for everyone. (Machines do not Strike over low wages)
If only that was done like that. If you have 10 dollars per burger, and you spend 5 bucks of it on salaries, then you will be looking ways to drop that. Now imagine you took out a loan and bought some machines now you have just very few people, so now you spend 1.5 dollars on the salaries and 1.5 dollars on the loan, total of 3 dollars goes to this instead of 5 and do they drop the price? No, they still sell it for 10, or at best 9. So not only people lose their jobs but the price is the same as well.Now, if almost 1/4 of your total cost can be slashed from your company expenses.... you would be able to reduce the price of your goods, which means that the consumers will also benefit from the reduced price. (remember .....labor cost goes up every year)
We cannot have our bread buttered on both ends.... Cheap prices for goods & Work for everyone. (Machines do not Strike over low wages)
Due to inflation it even goes higher as well, which means that at certain point many people will be unemployed and the prices will be the same or more.
May 25, 2022, 09:41:18 AM
The simplicity and the rapid availability of industrial made cheap products are what made the hand made things disappear. The products are not only easy to find in every market but they are also very convenient and todays generation is much focused on that. Handmade products are hard to find for example:
In London if you want to buy cards you can buy 4 for 1£ , factory made and looks amazing as well whereas in handmade shops they cost around 2£ and looks wonderful. Especially kids and people of middle class family would not give that much thought into it and go for the shiny ones and be done with it.
'It's the era of industrialization'- there are many things being done in some countries like Made in India campaign as well, hilighting the local products. More countries should do that for sure!
In London if you want to buy cards you can buy 4 for 1£ , factory made and looks amazing as well whereas in handmade shops they cost around 2£ and looks wonderful. Especially kids and people of middle class family would not give that much thought into it and go for the shiny ones and be done with it.
'It's the era of industrialization'- there are many things being done in some countries like Made in India campaign as well, hilighting the local products. More countries should do that for sure!
May 24, 2022, 12:10:39 PM
Stop buying from automated / technological advanced companies ! Buy from companies that work with people and hire people !
Your destroying your children future.
No one cares about the future, people live for a second without long-term plans.Your destroying your children future.
While I agree with you on this, do you agree with me that people shouldn't buy Nestle products? Nestle hate is around there for years, the society knows that Nestle has done and is doing but I can't find people not supporting this.
All these top Hollywood stars, Instagram influencers and Tiktokers probably use Kerastase, Redken, Pureology hair products and in-salon treatments to have silky smooth hair. Probably they use La Roche-Posay & Cerave skincare products to have young and smooth skin without wrinkles. Oh, Yves Saint Laurent smells so good on Keanu Reeves too.
All these brands are owned by L'oreal and L'oreal itself is owned by the most hated but still somehow the most supported company - Nestle.
So, the product of companies that work with hired workforce, will always cost more than the companies that have integrated automation. People will always buy the cheap ones because society is poor and inflation is always increasing, people always try to save money to buy a house, buying cheap products is part of this plan.
May 24, 2022, 11:29:29 AM
Machinery / technology / robotics / ai is making you poor
The aim for all producers / businesses is to make their factories fully automated ( meaning to get rid of humans in the manufacturing process )
We are 8 billion people on Earth ,it's impossible for all of us to work for Governments / in Programming or Creativity related jobs.
By next decade we will be even more people do to current crisis as people have nothing to do and they make babies ... lots and lots of baby's .
Stop buying from automated / technological advanced companies ! Buy from companies that work with people and hire people !
The aim for all producers / businesses is to make their factories fully automated ( meaning to get rid of humans in the manufacturing process )
We are 8 billion people on Earth ,it's impossible for all of us to work for Governments / in Programming or Creativity related jobs.
By next decade we will be even more people do to current crisis as people have nothing to do and they make babies ... lots and lots of baby's .
Stop buying from automated / technological advanced companies ! Buy from companies that work with people and hire people !
It feels like you have a poor grasp of economics and how automation has lifted many people out of poverty in all sorts of ways. No job is safe and society will eventually need a restructuring in order to assure that everyone has a basic standard of living (such as a universal income). However it is foolish to fear automation and doing so only means you will fail to adapt, which people have been doing since the beginning of time. Take farming for example, it used to take many people many days to prepare a field for planting or perform other actions on it, however one farmer can now sit in a tractor that has a programmed route. That frees up all the other workers to do different jobs or other leisure pursuits. It's sad that people have been so brainwashed that they think that working is the only way, when it would be better to live in a world where we can choose to work or spend our time on other things.
May 24, 2022, 10:35:52 AM
Machinery / technology / robotics / ai is making you poor
The aim for all producers / businesses is to make their factories fully automated ( meaning to get rid of humans in the manufacturing process )
We are 8 billion people on Earth ,it's impossible for all of us to work for Governments / in Programming or Creativity related jobs.
By next decade we will be even more people do to current crisis as people have nothing to do and they make babies ... lots and lots of baby's .
Stop buying from automated / technological advanced companies ! Buy from companies that work with people and hire people !
Your destroying your children future.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lights_out_(manufacturing)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-VR4IcDhX0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lpxRzhmwUw
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Wow look at that big corporate wallet so shiny and pretty , great craftsmanship ,i will buy 2 even if it costs 1000 euros / wallet
- It will not last you even 2 years do to fact it's made using stu...pid standards and probably automated machinery
- This wallet can't be repaired and the material is probably some synthetic leather
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Hmmm ,handmade wallet it's 200 euros so expensive ,it's kind of ugly poor guy could even stich it right ,he should learn from the big corporate company how to make wallets ,the corporation is expert ,specialist at wallets making ,this guy is just an amateur trying to make a quick buck ...
- This wallet will last you a lifetime and your grate grate grand kids possible will use it
- It's easy to repair and the material is perfect
https://i.ibb.co/2MCknbK/Screenshot-from-2022-05-18-07-09-37.png
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Show me one robot that made something that lasted a lifetime or something that it will not brake easy ?
The aim for all producers / businesses is to make their factories fully automated ( meaning to get rid of humans in the manufacturing process )
We are 8 billion people on Earth ,it's impossible for all of us to work for Governments / in Programming or Creativity related jobs.
By next decade we will be even more people do to current crisis as people have nothing to do and they make babies ... lots and lots of baby's .
Stop buying from automated / technological advanced companies ! Buy from companies that work with people and hire people !
Your destroying your children future.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lights_out_(manufacturing)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-VR4IcDhX0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lpxRzhmwUw
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Wow look at that big corporate wallet so shiny and pretty , great craftsmanship ,i will buy 2 even if it costs 1000 euros / wallet
- It will not last you even 2 years do to fact it's made using stu...pid standards and probably automated machinery
- This wallet can't be repaired and the material is probably some synthetic leather
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Hmmm ,handmade wallet it's 200 euros so expensive ,it's kind of ugly poor guy could even stich it right ,he should learn from the big corporate company how to make wallets ,the corporation is expert ,specialist at wallets making ,this guy is just an amateur trying to make a quick buck ...
- This wallet will last you a lifetime and your grate grate grand kids possible will use it
- It's easy to repair and the material is perfect
https://i.ibb.co/2MCknbK/Screenshot-from-2022-05-18-07-09-37.png
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Show me one robot that made something that lasted a lifetime or something that it will not brake easy ?
This is really not true. It's not making us poor. Sure it might be hurting some people and their jobs and it's certainly disrupting some business practices, but this is not going to stop. Technology will forever continue to grow and trying to stop it from doing so is a futile effort that you will not win. While this can hurt some, it also helps many others. This type of technology can also help make things cheaper for consumers, so there are many positives as well.
May 24, 2022, 09:02:46 AM
Some of their reasons for encouraging full automation can properly be handled by humans and other living things with the right abilities put together the right way. Though it's OK for humans to use technology/tools to aid their works, they should not be too complicated to make and should only be alternatives to things humans and other creatures can't do well & better. Speed is also important... it's important to teach people to solve problems faster without making too many mistakes... This works well for routine jobs which machines are typically programmed to do well and better.
By the way, if I'm asked to choose between coffee made by qualified human coffee maker or coffee made by machine, from thesame coffee beans and healthy ingredients, I will choose coffee made by human. There is something special about using things made by nature or living things in natural ways.
By the way, if I'm asked to choose between coffee made by qualified human coffee maker or coffee made by machine, from thesame coffee beans and healthy ingredients, I will choose coffee made by human. There is something special about using things made by nature or living things in natural ways.
May 24, 2022, 01:46:17 AM
People with this mentality are just lazy in general. All they have to offer the world is being told to do something basic and then expecting so much value (money) from it.
Thank you to people who actually create value through automated producers / businesses.
Thank you to people who actually create value through automated producers / businesses.
May 20, 2022, 06:18:01 AM
Ok, let's look at the other side of the coin.....
"The average labor cost percentage should typically be in the range of 20% to 35% of a company's gross sales. However, there are variations, depending on your field. It's not uncommon for restaurants and other service businesses to have a labor cost percentage of up to 50%." - https://www.hourly.io/post/how-is-labor-cost-calculated
Now, if almost 1/4 of your total cost can be slashed from your company expenses.... you would be able to reduce the price of your goods, which means that the consumers will also benefit from the reduced price. (remember .....labor cost goes up every year)
We cannot have our bread buttered on both ends.... Cheap prices for goods & Work for everyone. (Machines do not Strike over low wages)
"The average labor cost percentage should typically be in the range of 20% to 35% of a company's gross sales. However, there are variations, depending on your field. It's not uncommon for restaurants and other service businesses to have a labor cost percentage of up to 50%." - https://www.hourly.io/post/how-is-labor-cost-calculated
Now, if almost 1/4 of your total cost can be slashed from your company expenses.... you would be able to reduce the price of your goods, which means that the consumers will also benefit from the reduced price. (remember .....labor cost goes up every year)
We cannot have our bread buttered on both ends.... Cheap prices for goods & Work for everyone. (Machines do not Strike over low wages)
May 20, 2022, 05:38:39 AM
Yeah, the industrial revolution was a disaster for the human civilization. We should go back to the good old days of feudalism and slavery, when everything was manufactured by hand and there were no stupid machines, robots and AI. 
Technical progress has pros and cons, I think that the pros are WAY MORE than the cons. Emphasizing the cons without acknowledging the pros is simply stupid.
Mass production is way cheaper than hand made production(and the quality can be the same or even better).Buying cheaper goods actually makes you rich, not poor. The people, who lose their jobs due to the mass automation will have to change their qualification and find another job. The market economy is ruthless. Efficiency is ruthless. If you are not efficient, the market will kick you out. Whining about this is pointless.
Technical progress has pros and cons, I think that the pros are WAY MORE than the cons. Emphasizing the cons without acknowledging the pros is simply stupid.
Mass production is way cheaper than hand made production(and the quality can be the same or even better).Buying cheaper goods actually makes you rich, not poor. The people, who lose their jobs due to the mass automation will have to change their qualification and find another job. The market economy is ruthless. Efficiency is ruthless. If you are not efficient, the market will kick you out. Whining about this is pointless.
May 19, 2022, 04:14:49 PM
Machinery / technology / robotics / ai is making you poor
Huh? All of them only shows that we are advancing. We shouldn't deny it that we are also liking them as it makes our lives more easier and happier. Maybe you will get poor if you will buy every latest technology that will came out of the market but as long as you know how to save your money and learn how to spend it wisely, all of those names mentioned above cant affect your wealth negatively.Many businesses are now automated but not totally. There are still a demand for workers (humans) because there are some task that only humans can operate not by robots or machines. If a company uses more machines, they can save a lot and this could also mean that their products will now cost cheaper but I like your initiative about supporting local, handmade products.
May 18, 2022, 05:38:50 PM
Elon Musk has a robot called optimus which could someday replace human workers in factories.
I'm not certain if reducing automation could help balance global economies.
Before automation we had skilled labor. Workers with specialized skills who carried out tasks which were automated away. I think specialized labor would need to make a comeback for a smooth transition from automation and industrialization.
In the united states interest in fields like engineering are at all time lows. Enough so that franchises like radio shack have gone bankrupt. It could take a long time for people to develop the skills necessary to produce things. America even lacks expertise with basic fundamentals such as large scale construction involving concrete. We lack the infrastructure and expertise to build things like the hoover dam. Without outsourcing many of the components to japan and abroad.
America was once criticized for having roughly 25% of all the lawyers in the entire world. Bill Gates and others have tried over the years to rekinkle interest in science and engineering fields. But everyone would prefer being a high paid lawyer. This trend will could complicate things if automation or productivity issues ever arise.
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Elon Musk Gives Himself a Second Chance to Sell an Unusual Machine
Introducing Optimus
Optimus is a project fueled by Musk's desire to replace humans with robots in his factories. It was introduced in August 2021, during a special event called Tesla AI [Artificial Intelligence] Day. Optimus is a human in a robot suit, nearly six feet tall and weighing 125 pounds — or rather, the person in the robot suit did.
https://www.thestreet.com/technology/elon-musk-gives-himself-a-second-chance-to-sell-an-unusual-machine
Introducing Optimus
Optimus is a project fueled by Musk's desire to replace humans with robots in his factories. It was introduced in August 2021, during a special event called Tesla AI [Artificial Intelligence] Day. Optimus is a human in a robot suit, nearly six feet tall and weighing 125 pounds — or rather, the person in the robot suit did.
https://www.thestreet.com/technology/elon-musk-gives-himself-a-second-chance-to-sell-an-unusual-machine
I'm not certain if reducing automation could help balance global economies.
Before automation we had skilled labor. Workers with specialized skills who carried out tasks which were automated away. I think specialized labor would need to make a comeback for a smooth transition from automation and industrialization.
In the united states interest in fields like engineering are at all time lows. Enough so that franchises like radio shack have gone bankrupt. It could take a long time for people to develop the skills necessary to produce things. America even lacks expertise with basic fundamentals such as large scale construction involving concrete. We lack the infrastructure and expertise to build things like the hoover dam. Without outsourcing many of the components to japan and abroad.
America was once criticized for having roughly 25% of all the lawyers in the entire world. Bill Gates and others have tried over the years to rekinkle interest in science and engineering fields. But everyone would prefer being a high paid lawyer. This trend will could complicate things if automation or productivity issues ever arise.
May 18, 2022, 03:44:45 PM
Lookie here, my peeps. I don't know if what OP is talking about is making us poor or not, but I want you all to take a good look at this photo that I took yesterday in my local supermarket:
In that same grocery store, they've replaced cashiers with these awful self checkout....modules (I don't know what else to call them) that are apparently built for the average 4 foot tall shopper. That means folks like me have to strain our backs using the goddamn things. I should have taken a picture of those, but I didn't want to give the impression to the eye in the supermarket sky that I was doing something suspicious by snapping pics of various things in the store.
And by the way, the argument that technology is making people redundant is a really old one. You would have thought we'd have a 4-hour work day standard by now if all of those predictions from decades ago had come true.
Ever see those blatantly intrusive piece-of-shit spy robots they have rolling around in some grocery stores nowadays? Well there's one at my local supermarket, and I fucking hate that thing and start sweating with rage whenever it comes near me. A couple of weeks ago I nearly tripped over it, and I could swear it follows me every time I'm there shopping. You shouldn't have to resist the urge to topple over a supermarket's surveillance robot when you're just trying to buy some cat food, and those things have got to be the biggest corporate waste of money ever.
In that same grocery store, they've replaced cashiers with these awful self checkout....modules (I don't know what else to call them) that are apparently built for the average 4 foot tall shopper. That means folks like me have to strain our backs using the goddamn things. I should have taken a picture of those, but I didn't want to give the impression to the eye in the supermarket sky that I was doing something suspicious by snapping pics of various things in the store.
And by the way, the argument that technology is making people redundant is a really old one. You would have thought we'd have a 4-hour work day standard by now if all of those predictions from decades ago had come true.
May 18, 2022, 01:50:17 PM
Automation is the sole reason why humanity has advanced with innovation and the only reason why life expectancy has increased for the developed and undeveloped world. Automatic production is the reason why the world turns, and your suggestion is that there's something nefarious behind it? Automation hasn't replaced human jobs and that won't come for a long time until AI is advanced enough to lessen the need for human interaction in production. There'll be a need for human intervention for the foreseeable future.
You sound a bit paranoid or like an environmentalist.
You sound a bit paranoid or like an environmentalist.
May 18, 2022, 11:08:34 AM
The genie is out and it can't be put back in so might as well make the most of what it grants. Sure you can always buy from the less automated companies but what do you think happens when the highly-automated ones suddenly go bankrupt? Yup the ones you are promoting are just gonna take their place. Business is all about efficiency and profit and for mass-produced products, that means reducing overhead if possible.
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