Topic: Stop Coddling the Super-Rich: Warren Buffett - page 3. (Read 6664 times)

AyeYo you are an asshole. You are the perfect example why this forum has been derailed. Its impossible to have an honest debate with assholes like you around.

How do progressives like this one pass as loving and caring human beings?

HAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAH

I don't give a half shit what you want, because we all want to pay nothing at all.  However, we're all responsible for paying for the federal budget.  If you don't want to have such high spending, get off your ass and vote in someone that won't spend as much.

Nice.  For some reason I thought you were Dutch or Belgian.  Now I get to practice my Spanish with you....   

Choose any topic on economics, the one you feel more confident, and open I will open a new thread.


Catalan and spanish.

This shouldn't be a problem.  We'll just let you choose the language.  Dutch?  French?  

We are debating here now in text.

Make your points and I will try to take them all seriously. 

I think it would be a much more fruitful debate if I am able to articulate my points across at a rapid fire pace, instead of the prewritten baloney you will see from typing.

This seems like a pretty good platform http://www.debateitlive.com/index.php

The problem with this is that I am not american and english is not my first language. I would have problems debating you live in english. Why not do it in text? Whats the problem? You seem to have no problem writing here.

Ill let you choose the topic in economics you want to debate about.

Why not a debate through text, any specific reason?  It seems like it will be easier for people to follow a text debate.

Little dicks?  Ugly wives and loud children?



Kidding, kidding.  A debate would be cool.

I will debate you on all political matters and common sense social issues, but not via text. I will only do it if we can go head to head live via video with a fair moderator.

I'm serious.

edit: And yes Jeffk is a troll, even though he has valid points at times, it's important that we not forget who he is. I do admire the fact that he has kept his name even though everyone knows that he is from the SA forum, and here to just bug the hell out of people. Either way maybe he's changed but regardless he doesn't seem to like dealing with nonsense the same way I do.

I propose a debate about economics to FlipPro (and anyone else). You and me only, no "OMG LOL You are diluded WTF", speaking like adults, replying honestly to what the other person is saying, not cheapshots, etc...

If you accept well open a new thread and will debate.

I keep asking why do you come to this community to insult people. Have you tried using reason instead of dealing with politics as black and white and insults to people?

Hahaha, you live in a fucking bizarre fantasy world that never takes actual human nature into account. This quote is exactly the best way to describe your beliefs:

Or, you know, they'll be seen as easy targets by the companies that do have armies and will be promptly and violently taken over. Really now. I love that the people complaining about regulations creating barriers to entry for small businesses are the same ones who are advocating for a society where those businesses will need to hire private armies to fend off bigger businesses.


What the hell? Mind elaborating on this, because I really don't see what this is supposed to mean.


Based on the history of what modern corporations have been able to get away with and face little or no outcry or boycott, we apparently don't shun people who do things like that. This also assumes that the newspapers that would have reported those misdeeds wouldn't just be a different division of the same company that comitted them. Or making ad money from them. Or anything else that gives them financial incentive to cover it up.

War costs. Peace doesn't. The companies that go to war with each other will be out-competed by the ones that don't.


It's the difference between seduction and rape.


It's not our job to enforce morality on each other with violence. We shun people that do things like that but we don't hold a gun to their head and tell them to stop. That's why we don't lock people up for cheating on their partner or calling their grandmother a cunt.


I didn't ignore it at all, that's why I specifically said "All free trades are mutually beneficial before the trade takes place." If you change your mind, decide you don't like the color, the flavor or whatever, you're goddamned right that's your fault. Next time, be more careful. As long as there was no fraud involved, it's definitely your fault.

Ah yes, and if you can't afford a private security firm? Even better, if you can't afford one and the guy who wants to rob you can? Taken to its logical extent, we'd have companies with full mercenary armies going to war with each other all the time.


Is that really what you think? If that's the case, why are so many of our greatest criminals not the cogs or worker bees, but rather the people who run the machine? And how would any of this be different under libertarianism anyway? You still have workers, you still have a society.


Mutually beneficial doesn't mean fair or moral or non-coercive. If I'm dying of thirst in the desert and you sell me a glass of water for $10 million, I guess you could say that's beneficial for me in that I get to stay alive, but it doesn't mean you didn't just rip me off.

It also ignores the fact that what may seem beneficial at the outset to one party may be just the opposite in reality. But I guess that's the fault of the person who got screwed, right? Should have been more of a rational actor?

Newsflash: I'm not doing this to get wealthy. Bitcoin is free market money. I'm here to support that. I'm also covering my costs so I'm satisfied with that. I'm sure you're one of those ignorant morons that thinks "free market equals selfishness" but charity and activism are part of the free market.


Herp derp!

More like, get ready to feel the wrath of my shotgun or if I don't catch you, my private security firm will. Most people on this planet understand that theft is wrong when it comes to one-on-one interactions. It's only when they are fooled into thinking of themselves as worker ants, bees or cogs in this great machine called "society" that they abandon simple ideas such as "keep your hands to yourself". No, no, let's rob each other in order to protect ourselves from robbery!


All you have to understand is that free trades, i.e. trades where I don't say "accept or I'll kill you" are beneficial. Why? Let's say that I want to trade my watch for your sandwich. If we both accept the trade then necessarily, I must want your sandwich more than my watch, and necessarily, you must want my watch more than your sandwich, after the trade, we both end up with something we want more. Otherwise, why the fuck would either of us agree to the trade?! It's pretty damned simple. All free trades are mutually beneficial before the trade takes place. Convince me that's incorrect and I'll submit to whatever dumbfuck collectivist ideology you support.

Such a freaking hypocrite, yes I called Warren Buffett a hypocrite. Why?

Sure he, Gates and others who are sitting on Billions can afford more tax however most of the super rich have offshored their wealth and any tax increases on the millionaire crowd is not a tax on the Buffett's and Gates' type but a tax on those working the hardest and likely generating most of the income tax the Feds take from the various millionaires.

You've got the super rich Hollywood types like Depp who backend their deals with the studios so they are paid directly from foreign accounts into foreign accounts thus never pay income tax on those earnings. Much of their earnings come from royality checks from the distributor of the film, the DVD, the merchandise, etc and the Disti in the EU doesn't send a check to Depp's bank in California it goes right into an account probably in Ireland then who knows. You think these guys just move to some island because they like the weather?

Then you have the Gates and Buffetts who earn tons strictly from investment earnings and yes it is taxed at the lower 15% but I am willing to bet Bill Gates long ago moved as much as he could into foreign exchanges which deposit into foreign banks, not the local bank down the road in Redmond. Buffett has stated in the past he has accounts all over the world, as long as that money doesn't come home he isn't going to get hit with some major tax increase that hurts.

Who does it hurt? It hurts those high tech Silicon Valley types that are doing pretty well in Bubble 2.0. It hurts the family who worked their ass off from the 50's onward and were smart enough to invest in say an Apple or Microsoft in the 1980's. It hurts the owner/operator of lumber operations in the Pacific Northwest that if and when they can get the freaking Forest Service out of their way can actually cut down some trees and not only employ dozens but also buy big ticket items like skidders. These and others that are "millionaires" work for a freaking living, when they can work.

So sure let's tax the super rich and let's start right in D.C. by stopping ALL subsidies to ALL industry. No more corn, sugar, oil tax credits which in the case of corn is killing us and in the case of sugar killed south Florida's wetlands. I don't think anyone would stick up for oil companies at this point I hope. Ok next let's go after the military complex with it's $350 MILLION per F-22 or the $350 BILLION spent on a handful of F-35's both of which are now grounded. Am I saying we don't need a defense, hell no, but come on we have all heard the stories of $300 hammers and know full well once a Gov't contract goes out these guys soak it for all it's worth and make sure no Senator would kill it by putting production facilities in as many states as possible. Then we have the Navy with it's fleet of 11 Aircraft Carriers and two more being built at projected cost of $8 Billion each, yeah right that will hold, USS George Bush ran over $6 Billion and that was in 2001. Don't forget deploying sailors on all those ships cost over a Billion per Carrier per year and that's not counting the pilots or deployment cost such as fuel and food!

While staying in D.C. let's look at other fraud and abuse. Who thinks we need another entire military force deployed inside the US? WEll maybe we can get rid of or put major caps on TSA employment. Do we need Federal workers with Federal benefits standing around picking their nose or maybe we could deploy skilled managers to oversee outsourced security? Then we have the ATF, FBI, Federal Marshals, Forest Service, Park Rangers, Customs Agents, and the list goes on and on, all Federal Dorks with Badges and Guns. Could we maybe cut some of that spending out or do we need billion dollar FBI Agents storming a house in south Florida to return some kid to Cuba?

Finally to the sacred cow, Social Services. If you do not think there is huge fraud in Medicare, Medicaid then dudes just turn on the TV. While Dr's actually do get screwed with reduced billing you have an outfit on TV being so bold to say upfront, "you lazy Americans don't need to walk, get a powered wheelchair and we guarantee Medicare will cover it!" Do you know why that outfit shows you using your new scooter indoors and how easy it can move around the house? It's because you only have to have some quack say you need it to move around the house and TADA guess who picks up that bill? Yes sure some need these devices but come on people. If they are as bold as to advertise on TV do you have a clue what is going on behind closed doors? I won't even go into the hundreds of various social programs that do nothing but spend money. From food stamps abuse to Gov't provided Cell Phones these programs are so various, deep and entrenched nobody in D.C. is even willing to start looking at the waste for fear they will tick off some voting group.

So sure let's tax the rich more because the super rich certainly won't figure out how to not pay while in the meantime we continue sending trillions right out the front door with no accounting.