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legendary
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Look at those dates (you are either a blind fool or just a troll): August 25, 2014. I have been involved in a lot of altcoins in the past, but have exited the altcoin space during 2014-2015. Now, this isn't even part of the topic here and you have clearly failed. I suggest that you either try to make reasonable arguments relevant to the topic or keep quiet.

Hint: The topic is "Stop fuckin' around, fork the son-of-a-bitch already.".
legendary
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No, stop being a blind fool. I don't have any ties to Monero. There's no reason to use it besides for illicit purposes. Not that this is the topic here.

i basically wasted 30 seconds of my life on lauda's off topic bait..(not gonna be baited to search whole 2 years, just enough to show he was involved, which he denied)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8503834
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8512228
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8515859
this final post was the biggest laugh.
especially in regards to all of laudas attempts to make bitcoin look bad saying capacity should not grow and 2mb is bad...(you know, for the same reasons he defended monero)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8524022


legendary
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if bitcoin is still around and all, will the mining (calculation of the blockchain) be so difficult where one block could get as large as 100GB in file size? 
The Bitcoin difficulty has not correlation with the block size.

What is put in place where bitcoin will not time out because the transactions are just to difficult to process and store?
The block size limit, which is currently 1 MB. The block size limit is a consensus rule and does not change due to mining difficulty.
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Secondly, Bitcoin is stagnating technologically, when compared to the alternative cryptocurrencies.
No, that's definitely a false statement. Bitcoin has the most advanced and developed protocol. Most of the shitcoins haven't even patched up the security exploits up until the latest versions.
I find this statement rather amusing, I hope you do realize that a clone of Bitcoin is considered not be innovative at all within the altcoin world, that should tell you something, any altcoin that is worth anything improves on Bitcoin in some way.

I suppose you can keep telling your self that 10min block times and a one megabyte blocksize limit with a transparent blockchain are the perfect parameters, this is Bitcoin maximilism I suppose, it would be healthier to at least acknowledge the innovation that is occurring in the altcoin space.

I have to ask, for I am wondering, later on (Lets say in 100 years), if bitcoin is still around and all, will the mining (calculation of the blockchain) be so difficult where one block could get as large as 100GB in file size?  What is put in place where bitcoin will not time out because the transactions are just to difficult to process and store?
legendary
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Not a strawman, you where not that specific in your statement, furthermore such a hand waving statement that most "shitcoins" have lots of security exploits does not carry much weight.
It's a pure strawman. Don't blame me for your inadequate research into the development of those altcoins. None of them comes close to Bitcoin in terms of security (both code and network security).

Bitcoin market share is now at 79% a historic low.
This is an obvious case of you spreading false information again. The historic low was reached on March 13, 2016 with 74.41% dominance. Furthermore, it has also hovered around a lower threshold back in late 2014 (specifically 18th of December). If you want to preach the doomsday bullshit, at least do proper research.

It is not a fact, the word shady is highly subjective, and even though I do agree with you in using that term, it still stands that whether this should effect the viability of the currency today is again an opinion, and not a fact.
You're defending a premined shitcoin since you're now invested in it (your words; this makes you highly biased; note: I'm not invested in Bitcoin). That makes you pretty much any average pump & dump altcoin fanatic.

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You've wrote an useless wall of text that doesn't matter at all. We all know that ETH's promise that "Code is law" was a pure lie. The primary thing that matters is the DTV factor, i.e. "Distance-to-Vitalik".

Again not a straw man, you can clearly see that I am directly responding to what you have said, furthermore it is impossible for this statement to even be a straw man argument because I am not even implying or inferring your position here whatsoever.
Stop wasting everyone's time "no you're wrong, and I'm right" bullshit. You don't even understand fallacies, yet you call upon them constantly against other people.

Furthermore you claim to have knowledge that Monero is going to be banned in all jurisdictions.
"All jurisdictions"? I have not made this claim.

lauda is just a young guy (under 30) he has no real world experience, no experience of coding.
he is however very chummy with many monero holders, and i think he is just baiting you.
No, stop being a blind fool. I don't have any ties to Monero. There's no reason to use it besides for illicit purposes. Not that this is the topic here.
legendary
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I prove your presentation is misleading or false all the time, you've never done the same. And this Monero thing, what are you talking about? I've never been involved in Monero, the only reason you have to bash me with that canard is pure desperation. And you claim I'm trolling! Where is your evidence for this babbling Roll Eyes

No evidence exists, here or anywhere else, that I used or use Monero. It's a pretty good alt, but it's still not going to compete properly with Bitcoin without solving it's (far more significant) scaling issues. Last (and first) word on the matter.
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Monero will become illegal if it picks up, and you know this as a fact?
Yes. I can't tell you how though, since that's confidential.
You can not expect a rational person to believe you when you say such a thing, you might have insider knowledge of some sort but I am not in a position to know that, it would be gullible of me to believe you, surely you would agree. Furthermore you claim to have knowledge that Monero is going to be banned in all jurisdictions. What kind of a person are you then? Can we deduct based on this information that you have ties to government? Whatever I am not going to speculate, but this is a rather peculiar statement.

lauda is just a young guy (under 30) he has no real world experience, no experience of coding.
he is however very chummy with many monero holders, and i think he is just baiting you.
secretly him and his chums want monero to supersede bitcoin.
the hint is in the REKT campainers posts. gmaxwell is highly into monero, so is the REKT campaigner icebreaker. then we have the troll twins carlton and lauda who blindly follow their chums and back each other up in a circle jerk by getting spoonfed with whatever false information they can get hold of to push bitcoin in one direction with the ultimate aim that they hope monero becomes more useful because bitcoin has lost its utility
EG lauda loves the fee war that pushes bitcoin away from being cheap for the unbanked third world
EG lauda loves sidechains and offchain because he doesnt want bitcoin capacity growth onchain (even when his friends beloved monero has it)
EG lauda loves centralized control and doesnt want users to decide how they want bitcoin to grow
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No, that's definitely a false statement. Bitcoin has the most advanced and developed protocol. Most of the shitcoins haven't even patched up the security exploits up until the latest versions.
I find this statement rather amusing, I hope you do realize that a clone of Bitcoin is considered not be innovative at all within the altcoin world, that should tell you something, any altcoin that is worth anything improves on Bitcoin in some way.
Pure strawman. I was talking about security exploits, not specific features that some altcoins may or may not have.
Not a strawman, you where not that specific in your statement, furthermore such a hand waving statement that most "shitcoins" have lots of security exploits does not carry much weight.

You can joke all you want, but Bitcoin is still losing market share to the alternative cryptocurrencies and that is a fact.
I was not joking when I said mister V was behind it.
Bitcoin market share is now at 79% a historic low.

I am familiar with the history of Dash, I do not consider it to fundementally undermine the currency of Dash today. I can agree that the history is "shady" but whether that effects the viability of the currency today is again an opinion.
It's not an opinion, it's a fact. We know the definition of the word 'shady' and it perfectly aligns with what happened with DRK in the first few days.
It is not a fact, the word shady is highly subjective, and even though I do agree with you in using that term, it still stands that whether this should effect the viability of the currency today is again an opinion, and not a fact.

This statement is just not true, at least not in the way that I suspect you mean it. I supported the ETH hard fork, and I am actually more bullish now then I was before on ETH. First of all in terms of its "immutability" and censorship resistance it is no different to Bitcoin in terms of normal blockchain transactions, it is equally immutable and censorship resistant, it is equally difficult to roll back transactions on Bitcoin compared to Ethereum, a state change to the contract layer is different to actually rolling back transactions on the blockchain.
No. The chain is not immutable, as was demonstrated with a rollback. As soon as you do this once, it sets a dangerous precedence. Please let me know if my DAO fails miserably why you won't roll back and bail me out like the Fed? Oh wait, "The DAO" was too big too fail. I wonder where we've heard that before. Roll Eyes
Blockchains are not protected by precedent or social convention like you might think but hard cryptography and game theory mechanics. In regards to the transactional immutability Bitcoin and Ethereum are mostly identical, it is practically impossible to roll back blocks and therefore also transactions. This is not what happened with the Ethereum hard fork, it involved a state change on the smart contract layer through the "consensus" mechanism. I consider any change to the rules of the protocol legitimate if it is brought about in such a way.

I understand that this is a major difference in our theories on how the governance of these blockchain systems function, I perceive it to be much more of a social construct, a tool for human beings to govern themselves and each other in a better way. It is a good thing that the code can change through this governance mechanisms, "immutability" in the literal sense of the word is not something we should aim for, if something goes wrong the majority of people should be able change the rules of the system, ideas and people also evolve, these blockchain networks need to evolve with our civilizations.

It is wrong to describe the DOA fork as a bail out, since there are no extra taxes, inflation or "haircuts" like there would be in a bailout like we understand it today. Rather I think the analogy of a bank robbery is much better, we are simply intervening, preventing the bank robbery from taking place. I think this is perfectly justifiable. Before you say "code is law" and smart contracts have no value if they are not "immutable". The opposite is actually true, there is a good reason why all law systems today are non-deterministic, it is the intent of the law here that counts, not the letter of the law.

At the same time even though I do not agree with the reosons for Ethereums Classics existence, I do absolutely respect their right to self determination and at the same time they have given Bitcoin a perfectly viable option that we could follow, splitting the chain, resolving this ideological debate.

ETH is neither a immutable, censorship resistant nor decentralized.
Arguably Ethereum is presently more decentralized then Bitcoin because it uses an ASIC resistant mining algorithm.
Straw man.
Again not a straw man, you can clearly see that I am directly responding to what you have said, furthermore it is impossible for this statement to even be a straw man argument because I am not even implying or inferring your position here whatsoever.

Maybe it is best not to get into a full discussion of the pros and cons of these events and of the design of Ethereum and Bitcoin, but as proof of work blockchains their governance, and transaction immutability are actually identical on a technical level at least. So my point is that your opinion on these altcoins are an opinion and not a fact.
No. Stop defending mutable shitcoins.
Not an argument.

Monero will become illegal if it picks up, and you know this as a fact?
Yes. I can't tell you how though, since that's confidential.
You can not expect a rational person to believe you when you say such a thing, you might have insider knowledge of some sort but I am not in a position to know that, it would be gullible of me to believe you, surely you would agree. Furthermore you claim to have knowledge that Monero is going to be banned in all jurisdictions. What kind of a person are you then? Can we deduct based on this information that you have ties to government? Whatever I am not going to speculate, but this is a rather peculiar statement.
legendary
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@Veritas:

for the 2nd time, answer; why do you use so many strawman arguments, so frequently? and why do you deny it so vehemently?
legendary
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No, that's definitely a false statement. Bitcoin has the most advanced and developed protocol. Most of the shitcoins haven't even patched up the security exploits up until the latest versions.
I find this statement rather amusing, I hope you do realize that a clone of Bitcoin is considered not be innovative at all within the altcoin world, that should tell you something, any altcoin that is worth anything improves on Bitcoin in some way.
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Pure strawman. I was talking about security exploits, not specific features that some altcoins may or may not have.

You can joke all you want, but Bitcoin is still losing market share to the alternative cryptocurrencies and that is a fact.
I was not joking when I said mister V was behind it.

I am familiar with the history of Dash, I do not consider it to fundementally undermine the currency of Dash today. I can agree that the history is "shady" but whether that effects the viability of the currency today is again an opinion.
It's not an opinion, it's a fact. We know the definition of the word 'shady' and it perfectly aligns with what happened with DRK in the first few days.

This statement is just not true, at least not in the way that I suspect you mean it. I supported the ETH hard fork, and I am actually more bullish now then I was before on ETH. First of all in terms of its "immutability" and censorship resistance it is no different to Bitcoin in terms of normal blockchain transactions, it is equally immutable and censorship resistant, it is equally difficult to roll back transactions on Bitcoin compared to Ethereum, a state change to the contract layer is different to actually rolling back transactions on the blockchain.
No. The chain is not immutable, as was demonstrated with a rollback. As soon as you do this once, it sets a dangerous precedence. Please let me know if my DAO fails miserably why you won't roll back and bail me out like the Fed? Oh wait, "The DAO" was too big too fail. I wonder where we've heard that before. Roll Eyes

Arguably Ethereum is presently more decentralized then Bitcoin because it uses an ASIC resistant mining algorithm.
Straw man.

Maybe it is best not to get into a full discussion of the pros and cons of these events and of the design of Ethereum and Bitcoin, but as proof of work blockchains their governance, and transaction immutability are actually identical on a technical level at least. So my point is that your opinion on these altcoins are an opinion and not a fact.
No. Stop defending mutable shitcoins.

Monero will become illegal if it picks up, and you know this as a fact?
Yes. I can't tell you how though, since that's confidential.

The transaction volume on these chains is obviously much lower, but the transactional capacity of these chains is much much higher.
I'll believe it once I see it. Until such time, these are just unbacked claims.

Hint: Every-time you say "Bitcoin maximilism" to back up your arguments, you just end up looking like a fool.
legendary
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What's wrong with selling all your Bitcoin (prove it IMO) for altcoins, Veritas? Why would you stick around on the ostensibly sinking Bitcoin ship, if you really believe what you're saying?

Why do you believe Bitcoin is sinking?

You've got the same problem as Veritas and Franky: I didn't say that. To understand why, you need to know what "ostensibly" means, which is: according to your/the story
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Secondly, Bitcoin is stagnating technologically, when compared to the alternative cryptocurrencies.
No, that's definitely a false statement. Bitcoin has the most advanced and developed protocol. Most of the shitcoins haven't even patched up the security exploits up until the latest versions.
I find this statement rather amusing, I hope you do realize that a clone of Bitcoin is considered not be innovative at all within the altcoin world, that should tell you something, any altcoin that is worth anything improves on Bitcoin in some way.

I suppose you can keep telling your self that 10min block times and a one megabyte blocksize limit with a transparent blockchain are the perfect parameters, this is Bitcoin maximilism I suppose, it would be healthier to at least acknowledge the innovation that is occurring in the altcoin space.

Thirdly as I proved earlier in this post Bitcoin has been losing market share steadily over the last two years, while the altcoin market cap is growing consistently.
That doesn't matter since the market cap of Bitcoin has been growing. It has been the highest it's even been since early 2014. Besides, we all know who's behind the altcoin pumping schemes. Hint: The last name starts with a "V". Roll Eyes
You can joke all you want, but Bitcoin is still losing market share to the alternative cryptocurrencies and that is a fact.

I can give you many examples, and I support all three of the projects I just mentioned, I could go into defending each of them on their merits, but I am busy enough attempting to defend the original principles of Bitcoin here on this forum.
You can say why you like them, or why they may be good but you can't change any of the things that I've said because they're facts. There's no need to sugar-coat it.
Most of your critisisms of these cryptocurrencies are not facts but opinions, I will prove that you now:

Dash has a very shady history behind it
I am familiar with the history of Dash, I do not consider it to fundementally undermine the currency of Dash today. I can agree that the history is "shady" but whether that effects the viability of the currency today is again an opinion.

ETH is neither a immutable, censorship resistant nor decentralized.
This statement is just not true, at least not in the way that I suspect you mean it. I supported the ETH hard fork, and I am actually more bullish now then I was before on ETH. First of all in terms of its "immutability" and censorship resistance it is no different to Bitcoin in terms of normal blockchain transactions, it is equally immutable and censorship resistant, it is equally difficult to roll back transactions on Bitcoin compared to Ethereum, a state change to the contract layer is different to actually rolling back transactions on the blockchain, I have noticed many Bitcoiners equate these two things as if they where the same thing, it is not, this is mostly likely because they are thinking of this event in Bitcoin terms when there are some very important differences in the design. It was only possible to return peoples funds because it existed within a smart contract, something that would not even be possible within Bitcoin.

Arguably Ethereum is presently more decentralized then Bitcoin because it uses an ASIC resistant mining algorithm.

Maybe it is best not to get into a full discussion of the pros and cons of these events and of the design of Ethereum and Bitcoin, but as proof of work blockchains their governance, and transaction immutability are actually identical on a technical level at least. So my point is that your opinion on these altcoins are an opinion and not a fact.

Monero will likely end up being illegal if it picks up.
Monero will become illegal if it picks up, and you know this as a fact? Again I would argue that this is just an opinion, this is classic Bitcoin maximalism, completely disregarding and not taking the competition into account at all, even being dismissive of their achievements and innovations.

Don't even get my started on the transaction volume on those chains. Anything else?
The transaction volume on these chains is obviously much lower, but the transactional capacity of these chains is much much higher. It seems like a strange argument to use against these altcoins when Bitcoins transaction volume is presently restricted, which means one of these altcoins could easily overtake the transaction volume of Bitcoin one day, as long as Bitcoins transaction volume remains restricted.
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Can I eat a Bitcoin?
What's wrong with selling all your Bitcoin (prove it IMO) for altcoins, Veritas? Why would you stick around on the ostensibly sinking Bitcoin ship, if you really believe what you're saying?

Why do you believe Bitcoin is sinking?

dont worry about carlton he is cheek to cheek with greg maxwell who wants monero to be the next big thing.
carlton doesnt care about bitcoin(decentralized/not controlled).
in short he defends core not bitcoin, because he wants core to control bitcoin(centralized mindset), thus defending core is defending bitcoin in his eye

he wants core to twist bitcoin, to stagnate bitcoin with fee wars and nodes that dont validate(if its not core) or store transaction history(if its cores pruned mode) so that his favorite monero can grow.
i highly doubt carlton can have a logical debate about bitcoin without it sounding like defending core.

Anyone that believes an alt will surpass Bitcoin any time soon is extremely delusional
legendary
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What's wrong with selling all your Bitcoin (prove it IMO) for altcoins, Veritas? Why would you stick around on the ostensibly sinking Bitcoin ship, if you really believe what you're saying?

Why do you believe Bitcoin is sinking?

dont worry about carlton he is cheek to cheek with greg maxwell who wants monero to be the next big thing.
carlton doesnt care about bitcoin(decentralized/not controlled).
in short he defends core not bitcoin, because he wants core to control bitcoin(centralized mindset), thus defending core is defending bitcoin in his eye

he wants core to twist bitcoin, to stagnate bitcoin with fee wars and nodes that dont validate(if its not core) or store transaction history(if its cores pruned mode) so that his favorite monero can grow.
i highly doubt carlton can have a logical debate about bitcoin without it sounding like defending core.
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Can I eat a Bitcoin?
What's wrong with selling all your Bitcoin (prove it IMO) for altcoins, Veritas? Why would you stick around on the ostensibly sinking Bitcoin ship, if you really believe what you're saying?

Why do you believe Bitcoin is sinking?
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Secondly, Bitcoin is stagnating technologically, when compared to the alternative cryptocurrencies.

Fortunately there are many alternatives to Bitcoin out there, I personally like Dash, and its solutions to governance, Ethereum and Monero are also both good cryptocurrencies, all of these cryptocurrencies do not have problems with scaling, Dash has a second tier, incentivized and collateralized voting full nodes that can handle a much greater load, because of the build in incentive. Ethereum already has far greater capacity then Bitcoin and it will have even more in following releases. Monero simply has an adaptive blocksize, with some very interesting incentive structures to keep the blocks from becoming to large.

Sigh...this guy again? Back pumping DASH: totally expected. Presenting Ethereum's mutable bloatchain as a goal: standard. VeritasSapere, give it up. Nobody who has read more than a handful of your posts will ever again subject themselves to your tortured logic, your rationalization upon rationalizations which are completely divorced from the subject at hand---always. Take your shitcoin pumping to the altcoin forum or r/btc, please.

How Bitcoin is developed should not depend on altcoins. Altcoins are testnets for Bitcoin. You've been saying this same shit ("Bitcoin stagnating, alts are the future") for over a year now. Why haven't you left yet?
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if you believe you can succeed
i prefer to wait a bit longer
legendary
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EDIT. I misread your message, I have rewritten it

Why do you misread so many messages where your reply bears no relation to what you are responding to?
legendary
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Secondly, Bitcoin is stagnating technologically, when compared to the alternative cryptocurrencies.
No, that's definitely a false statement. Bitcoin has the most advanced and developed protocol. Most of the shitcoins haven't even patched up the security exploits up until the latest versions.

Thirdly as I proved earlier in this post Bitcoin has been losing market share steadily over the last two years, while the altcoin market cap is growing consistently.
That doesn't matter since the market cap of Bitcoin has been growing. It has been the highest it's even been since early 2014. Besides, we all know who's behind the altcoin pumping schemes. Hint: The last name starts with a "V". Roll Eyes

I can give you many examples, and I support all three of the projects I just mentioned, I could go into defending each of them on their merits, but I am busy enough attempting to defend the original principles of Bitcoin here on this forum.
You can say why you like them, or why they may be good but you can't change any of the things that I've said because they're facts. There's no need to sugar-coat it.
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I can see Bitcoin easily being overtaken during this period, this is one of the reasons I am also invested in the altcoins. Bitcoin truly seems stagnant in comparison to me, the alternatives are able to innovate much faster and already have much greater transactional capacity then Bitcoin.
Stagnant based on what, having the highest market capitulation since late 2013/early 2014, having the higher number of transactions per day than it ever did, having the by far(!) the best development team in the ecosystem? Please tell me what's the "stagnation here". Hint: Not being able to process a number of TXs that you want != stagnation.
First of all, the transaction rate of Bitcoin has historicly been increasing, untill it hit the blocksize limit, I do not consider that to be a positive thing, literal stagnation because of a restriction in the code.

Secondly, Bitcoin is stagnating technologically, when compared to the alternative cryptocurrencies.

Thirdly as I proved earlier in this thread Bitcoin has been losing market share steadily over the last two years, while the altcoin market share is growing consistently.

Fortunately there are many alternatives to Bitcoin out there, I personally like Dash, and its solutions to governance, Ethereum and Monero are also both good cryptocurrencies, all of these cryptocurrencies do not have problems with scaling, Dash has a second tier, incentivizing collateralized full nodes that also vote and can handle greater load. Ethereum already has far greater capacity then Bitcoin and it will have even more in following releases. Monero simply has an adaptive blocksize, with some very interesting incentive structures to keep the blocks from becoming to large.
Dash has a very shady history behind it, I know since I was an early adopted. ETH is neither a immutable, censorship resistant nor decentralized change. Additionally, they've had very troubling security problems with the DAO and now with geth. Monero will likely end up being illegal if it picks up. Anything else?
I can give you many examples, and I support all three of the projects I just mentioned, I could go into defending each of them on their merits, but I am busy enough attempting to defend the original principles of Bitcoin here on this forum.
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