Topic: STOP mixing US politics and crypto (Read 237 times)

Most times, you find those that are always talking about politics, what ought to be done, how it should be done and what are the possible outcomes of not done in a particular way… these guys many at times don’t even get to cast their votes. Their best is always in them having to talk and that’s it. They say this and that and are quite knowledgeable about the topic.

Something they seem to forget though, one vote can make a difference. Eventually, no good could come out of the opposition (the other side) as the OP puts it. The order side don’t even get the chance and what a base it is to project an open discussion.

Having to separate Bitcoin from politics, well, propagandas are a part of politics and politicians will always use what they can find in the society. Bitcoin is a part of the society now and which ever way we look at it, the policies created out of politics do affect Bitcoin and cryptocurrency idea, even though it is for a moment.
Governments have been known to trade Bitcoins on the market, seized Bitcoins maybe. They are very much in the system.

His original intention was to spread the news that bitcoin prices had increased under Biden to encourage people to support the Democrat. But the result he received was completely opposite to his expectations, the majority supported and voted for Trump. He then started arguing with people and kept bringing up issues unrelated to bitcoin in discussions to assert that the Democratic Party was still worth voting for. But again, it seems that idea failed too.
This time he used the excuse that bitcoin should have some connection with US politics, he tried to get people to stop talking about politics on the forum because most of them just wanted to vote for Trump. But I bet this attempt will fail because he himself cannot do it.

Well. To me it is kind of difficult not to talk about the United States when comes to cryptocurrency or other economical issues and economical players worldwide, to be honest. There is a good reason why the USA is considered to be a superpower and part of it comes with it involvement with much of the geopolitics and economical interactions among nations. Those interactions include Bitcoin and alternative currencies, whether we like it or not. The United States has become relevant in most of topics worldwide.
Also, there is the fact the USA holds within it's territory an important percentage of the hashrate of the Bitcoin network, so we cannot help but to mix Bitcoin and politics a little bit, specially now when the Republican party (under the influence of Trump) seems to give a pro-Bitcoin image, in contrast to Jode Biden's.

I started a new topic about policy for this very reason. In the thread nobody is talking out "democrats" or "republicans" or "gary gensler" or any other boogieman. We're just talking about what we want done for the crypto business, without wading into the US partisan polarization.

And it's going quite well . Take a look.

This is legiteum in a nutshell.
Start's a topic with a title don't mix politics and crypto -> proceeds to talk about Biden being good for bitcoin and repeats the same lies and miscalculations that he does in every single thread about US election.
Maybe we'll make a deal, legiteum. People here will stop talking about US election and crypto if you do that first. I'm willing to do that, but I'm sure you won't. You just can't help it, right?

I think we’d all like to just concentrate on crypto & not worry about or get involved in politics but sometimes it feels like we don’t have a choice. Regulatory framework & crypto hostile politicians force the discussion on us. Hopefully one day we don’t have a war with politicians & crypto is left well alone to thrive.

What you say makes sense, but if we choose to stand outside it means we accept our fate and let them do whatever they want, even if they continue to oppress us. Meanwhile, we will most likely have to pay the price for our actions if the opposition wins but we clearly have a chance to change our fate. Why don't you think the opposite, if the person we elected wins, what will happen? We have the opportunity, why choose to ignore it?

Similarly, if we want to gain freedom, we must fight, trade off, and even sacrifice. If we don't fight, we will never get the freedom we want.

People should stop supporting communists.

The world had a taste of it before, nobody liked it.

The worst form of capitalism is still better than the best (i know it is oxymoron there is no good communism) communism.

Say no to communism

I said the same thing for this and I agree with it 100%. I am so sick and tired of hearing about trump this, kamala that and all their talks. I mean we get it, you have an election but news flash for all the Americans, we do not care about it as much as you think.

I mean sure for betting purposes it's very fun because it allows me to bet on who I think will win, but outside of that who wins doesn't matter to me, I just want to make sure that crypto is untouched by these people. In fact, the sad part is that one candidate is supporting it while the other doesn't, and that's bad because I do not want it to be this one sided thing, if the candidate that doesn't support it ends up winning, they may take revenge on crypto and that's when politics and crypto get together.

As crypto people we should try to avoid taking sides, because if we do take sides and the other side wins that's terrible. Just avoid politics like these as much as we possibly could, it is not good for business.

As you can see, he repeats his favorite quote again and what he wants to tell us in this thread is don't mix US politics with crypto. But what he's doing shows that he doesn't want bitcoin to be divorced from politics. As I see it, what he wants is that we should stop supporting Trump and vote for Harris because he is supporting the democratic party. If the majority of people here supported Harris instead of Trump then I guess this topic wouldn't exist  .

Like it or not, bitcoin and politics will be inseparable because the government will find ways to control and intervene in everything in this world. Even if we don't like it, there is no solution to stop it.

No, Bitcoin went up 500% under president Biden.. The ETFs were approved. The US has the most hashrate. Our citizens are the largest holders by far.

The reason you think Democrats are "unfriendly" is because Republicans told you that.



Abortions at 8 months do not occur in the USA and never had. Trump is lying to you.

Trump is going to institute a total ban on all abortions in the USA, and he will need to build a gigantic police state in order to enforce it.

If you are in favor of this, then this is an actual reason to vote for Trump. But leave crypto out of it.



Great. So in that case you would need to vote for Trump even if he promised to make Bitcoin illegal the day he got into office. You support of Trump has nothing to do with Bitcoin.



Yes, there you go. You wish to banish women who have abortions for seven years. You should definitely vote for Trump. But this has nothing to do with Bitcoin.



Of course politics will be involved because there will be policies that will help or hurt the industry.

What is dangerous is US partisan politics which creates two distinct "sides".

There's a very big difference between being against certain KYC laws and being "against Democrats". Democrats have been and can continue to be friendly to the crypto industry, and it's important that they are lobbied just like Republicans are.

But if people turn Bitcoin into a "Trump thing", then 55% of Americans will hate crypto and there will be no bringing them back.

Because we have and want..

1. Interest rate.
2. Recession.
3. Crypto supports from centralised rulers.

Some few years back no one believe that decentralisation and banks can co exist, it is happening now, if there is war people won't want to invest money because of fear, if there is hardship in the country people will find where else to put their money and once money start printing again people will want to invest, especially the retails, politics involves the people and crypto or Bitcoin also involves people.

Sorry pal, until the end of time politics will always be involved.

I don't think that their is any country that accepts abortion, abortion is illegal act due to We have different pills that can make woman not to be pregnant, And another thing is that having sex with a partner is not something that meant for people who doesn't have the courage to stand pregnancy, so sex is for adults is not for children and that's why in Africa theirs some certain villages in Africa countries that is against abortion and anyone who had abortion will be outside of the village for duration of seven years before the person will return home, their is somethings that's being stipend for a country as a charges of someone that committed abortion.

Even if we don’t want this, we really have no choice.

Government will always involve themselves in the matter of their citizens. What can we do to avoid this? Nothing. Politicians will continue to make use of Bitcoin’s name. They will continue to decide what to do with Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. They will decide on the rules and regulations to be implemented.

It’s not just US politics that is debating this. It’s just the one we hear the most.

Such conversations fit best in the politics section. But we have to deal with it in the Bitcoin discussion board because Bitcoin got mixed up in US politics.  Maybe for better exposure they share such posts on nonpolitical boards.

This is a saying he always repeats in every comment he makes on the forum and can also be used on other social platforms. What I see is that he is also someone who wants to mix crypto with US politics and now he is saying that people should not mix the two  .
If the OP really doesn't want to mix politics and cryptocurrency, he should keep quiet because sooner or later everything will end and who is right and who is wrong will soon have the result.


Also according to my research, he made the point of banning abortion during a certain number of weeks of pregnancy, but not completely banning abortion for young fetuses or due to rape, deformities...Perhaps each country will have different lifestyles and concepts, but in my country abortion when the fetus is too large is a crime and doctors can also refuse to perform it.

I don't want to talk about this and what I'm interested in is only cryptocurrency, but if asked I would agree with him. Because to me, terminating a pregnancy is a crime.

Who is the leader of our industry as you put it? Nobody. Nothing is going to work out with how the community members choose to post, comment, and contribute, across media platforms, to the US election. As a user said in a sister thread; this whole topic will die down after the election. So, it's nothing to bother about. If you don't want to say something, sit and watch till the elections are over.

As for the notion of banning abortion. I heard Trump explaining this on C-span, "He said abortion is getting out of hand, doctors now allow a pregnancy of 8 months to be aborted".

That's so painful to the ear, America should do better to save babies. I don't like abortion not for any religious belief, but for the fact, that it's not good, yet I'd say it's better a month-old pregnancy is aborted than an 8-month pregnancy.

I support your point of view saying that we should stop mixing politics with bitcoin or cryptocurrency, although it is difficult because politics affects everything in this world. So keeping bitcoin free from political influence is very difficult, if not impossible.

The democratic party's unfriendliness towards crypto has been going on for years and everyone recognizes it. And maybe Trump is also lying to us about his support of cryptocurrency, but he clearly knows how to make people happier, so it's understandable that people are on his side.
Additionally, if the Democratic Party really doesn't hate crypto, why hasn't their campaign mentioned crypto even once, until now? If they are truly interested in crypto and crypto investors, they should simply state what they have been doing with crypto over the years. But you see, they still ignore everything related to cryptocurrency.

Wait a minute... I thought this was your specialty.

Anyway, this isn't really a phenomenon that can be stopped, here or anywhere. People are gonna talk about it and therefore politicians are gonna talk about it. I try to stay out of politics altogether now; its a waste of time. Everybody gets 1 vote. Just go cast your vote, or not, and then don't talk about it. Its not a requirement to let other people know your political leanings.

The reason you don't understand is because you are believing Republican lies about Democrats.

Democrats are not anti-crypto. Many Democrats are helping to pass clear regulations--along side Republicans--to help the crypto industry maintain a safe environment for investors.

When you just blindly blame "democrats" and don't even know any specific policies, then you are just parroting Republican garbage.

Many Democrats are working with Republicans in order to create better regulations for crypto. Stop listening to Republican media who only says things to help themselves get elected.

Bitcoin never asked to be a part of one specific party since there is no one that can speak for Satoshi. At this point it's hard to keep bitcoin out of politics mainly because the parties have very opposite ideas and people heavily involved in this industry may choose one party or the other also because of this. I never understood why the democrats are so against bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, every time they mention cryptos is just to say something bad about them, if they would be more open about it at that point discussing cryptos in politics would be almost pointless.

Lol, and here we are now beginning to speak vociferously about political matters! 

It so happens I agree with you, and all I'm going to add (and I've said it before) is that no matter the outcome of this upcoming election, the US is probably going to be more polarized than ever.  I'm not sure all the talk about bitcoin in relation to the politics is genuine; some of the threads I seem to recall came from shitposters who saw an easy topic to make a thread out of so that their alt accounts, buddies, family members, coworkers, and god-knows-who-else could also post in it. 

You know what I mean:

I'm not talking about the forum here though, I am talking about the broader community, of which this forum is a part.

I think it is bad business to get mixed up with politics, especially in the USA right now when things are so polarized.

And more specifically, I am suggesting that we don't get caught up in US partisan politics, but insofar as there is politics discussion, it is surrounding specific policies that effect the digital currency business, not "communism vs. fascism" or "republicans vs. democrats" or whatever. Let's talk about KYC laws, not Donald Trump or Kamala Harris. Things change in the US when both parties agree on something, and things get stuck forever when it's seen as a cultural issue.

Making a mortal enemy out of half of the US population is bad--regardless of which half it is.

There was already a thread about this topic in Meta in case you missed it, and I don't think we need another one in Bitcoin Discussion where it's more likely to turn into a complete shitposting rave party.  That one died down a few days ago, so I'm guessing members don't really want to keep bitching about political bitching.  It just doesn't serve much purpose.

As in many places, politics in the USA is extremely polarized. This election year in the USA, voters will be voting on whether or not to enact massive changes to the US economy and their personal lifestyles:

1. Should abortion be illegal or not? If it's illegal, you "save the babies" as the supporters of the laws say. But then nobody in the USA will be able to safely have sex anymore for fear of an unwanted pregnancy. Regardless of how you feel about it, this is a huge change that will directly or indirectly effect every single American.

2. Should the USA immediately deport 11 million people? Republicans say that if we don't, we "have no borders". The other side finds this massive effort to be extremely cruel, and economists say the missing labor will crush our economy. Regardless of how you feel about it, this is a massive change to the USA, it's economy, and our lifestyles.

3. Should the USA elected a convicted criminal and proven rapist as its president? Republicans say the trade-off is worth it because of #1 and #2 above. The other side finds this idea extremely repugnant.

4. Should the USA allow Russia to take over Ukraine, and then expand into the rest of Europe, as Republicans say we should, or should the USA support Ukraine in its fight to stop them? Again, this is a massive decision Americans need to make, as it means our young people may be sent to way when it escalates as it did in WWII. Or maybe if we support Putin, nothing bad will happen.  Americans disagree on this.

People could spend hours debating all of this and take either side of these debates--and these debates are extremely emotional, as they effect every aspect of American life. It's a fight for the future of the USA, and it's a nasty one and it may well get a lot nastier.

But if that's the case, why do people insist on dragging Bitcoin into this fight?

Look, I get it: like every major industry on the planet, the crypto industry is getting regulated, and some of those regulations are annoying. I have no problem arguing about specific regulations. Let's have those arguments.

But that is very different than taking one of the sides in the US polarization. Do that, and you, at best, limit crypto's appeal to half of the USA, and make mortal enemies out of the other half. Why do that?

Digital currency should not be a "Republican thing" or a "Democrat thing", anymore than Apple or Netflix or Amazon is. These are smart companies that mostly stay out of politics.

Our industry should be smart, too. If you are against a specific policy, then lobby both sides to change that policy. A policy is not the same as a single personality, a single candidate or a single party. Stick to our issues, not issues like abortion, immigration or foreign policy.

Do NOT involve our industry in the nasty fight of US politics. This can only end in disaster.