Topic: Does the forum need so much politics? (Read 1253 times)

Quoted wot? What do you mean? This is apparently an island and Australia is the biggest island which is also a continent but the shape is kind of weird. I thought It had a different shape.

Maybe it is Cyprus.

You even quoted it in your previous post. It's kinda in the name.

Which country is that? Australia? It is funny that Australians think theirs is the only country in the world. :/ The world is not spinning around Australia. There are others too you know. USA for example.

It's under sea level.

When you say Netherlands, can you point where it is on the world map?

It's better if the forum avoids anything to do with the US election and each candidate's political ambition. It could look good in the eyes of people but the press getting aware that the Bitcoin forum is supporting campaigns and picking a side could be risky. I want the forum to be excluded from any government affairs, especially the electoral movements.

Your right political discussion is allowed here and can be made and truly I don't see anything wrong with having those campaigns in the politics and society thread. Mindrust only created the topic on the wrong board. However, i still feel the idea of involving in the US electoral campaigns should be avoided. Discussion can be made regarding the election, not a campaign so that it wont attract the wrong eye to the forum.

I agree that mindrust shouldn't have posted them in the services section.  Despite the obvious bias, I don't mind injecting humor into political discussions on the forum.  Trolling is part of forum culture and no forum is immune, nor should they be.  It's going to happen in ways that humor you and ways that offend you.  All is fair game, in my opinion.

Anyway, the mods did move both threads to the Off-Topic board, where they belong.

I don't think this should be a problem. The problem should arise when these political topics are not posted in the appropriate forum and when the topics are just low-quality posts. Other than that I see no problem in people discussing what they want about elections and other political discussions.
There was a time when the bitcoin board was filled with Trump-related topics and it was exhausting to me too but a few of them were bitcoin-related so I couldn't complain.

Politics affect economies and economies affect bitcoin, especially US politics, so there is a relation. As I said easier, except the topic is a low-quality post, I don't see a problem. Also, some of the posts are just repeated posts in different words, which I have an issue with.

There is a function like that as I see it, the report to moderator key note but most times, for user that have clicked and didn’t get the reports handled as they would have hoped, a ban of such habit seems the likely means to an effect.

Well, I think the pathway to having reports handled is effective reporting by stating reasons clearly and on point. It wouldn’t be difficult for a moderator to evaluate and decide on what to do. Eventually, that’s all they’ve been doing with the reports.

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For politics, I don’t see how it has helped so much and I don’t see a reason why it ought to be all that should be campaigned about on the forum. It can take a late seat somewhere at the back.

Just be aware that that's a very unreliable heuristic, particularly when used on people of unknown origin. I can't think of a subject that interests me less than politics. I'd literally rather read a 1000-page treatise on the history of underpants than watch a 10-minute political video. So, saying that you believe you can semi-accurately discover my intentions based on just my political views, is like saying that you believe you can do the same based on the answers I give to you about catfish noodling.

(I mean, you could argue that I must have political views, whether I let them surface or not, but, even then, how useful are answers when they're concerning a subject that I never pay any real attention to, and just fundamentally don't care about? Trump vs. Harris? I don't know... either one will probably do more harm than good, just in different ways, and if there's more total harm than good each cycle, then I'm not interested in what kind of harm it is, because, in the limit, that trend line will eventually affect everyone.)

This is not surprising actually because we all know this is going to be a hype if Trump continues to attach bitcoin in his campaign. But no worries with that, it will only take a short time and then it’s gone. However, if in the future discussion politics will be rampant again, maybe we can consider it posting in its right board, that is Politics and Society. Maybe this hype is only good for the past days but eventually it will cool off just like now.

I agree that the site should hold politics discussions, but all we're really discussing here is whether they should be in the main forum or not. I don't think anybody is debating whether there should be politics in the politics forum.

(And maybe a lot of those conservatives, like me, no longer vote Republican because we think the party is no longer conservative, not because there are more "liberals" here ).

We gotta have something to discuss here.  There aren't exactly new Bitcoin products and services popping up to discuss like there used to be.  I also think it's somewhat useful to know what a person's political views are so that you know why they're here.  For example, I noticed that early on this forum was basically 99% conservative and people cared about creating new things and advancing the freedom aspects of Bitcoin.  As the price rose though, we saw liberals creep in and slowly the forum wasn't about freedom and building things, it was about ways to get money and lashing out at those who were viewed as successful.  So I like to know people's motivation for being here and I think their political views are the most basic and simple way I've observed to pinpoint that.

That's the proper thing to do. There is an appropriate board for political issues or hot news so they should only be discussed there, not in the bitcoin discussion or anywhere but in Politics and Society only. At least, we don't have to worry that the threads we have commented will suddenly turn into off-topic. That saves our time also.

No, I live in the Netherlands. Lol.

Why? Are you playing Switzerland imma taking no sides chaotic neutral shiet again?

Legiteum might be a little demo*rat shit nugget but credit is where credit goes.

She has a legitimate concern here. You must pick a side.

I'm not voting for Biden nor Trump.

This is Meta. It should be about the forum, not personal flames. You're now saying there's a problem without saying where the problem is.

Yes, I reported them, and they are still there. If you want to learn who you should vote for in the US presidential election, there are several topics with a bunch of posts on the main forum right now that will spend a ton of time making the case for a candidate. I don't know how this could not be considered politics, but I guess the mods have their reasons.

And as for calling out specific threads, well, I'd rather not. I'm not interested in getting into any personal flame wars here .

Have you reported them? And can you post some links to those threads?

Agreed. Theymos has the right mindset to stay cool about anything.

Clearly it's not consistent since there are several pro-Trump, anti-Harris threads on the main forum right now.


You can, using one connection or another, connect US partisan politics to any conversation and it's very easy to simply use Bitcoin as a gateway to talk about your favorite candidate.

And all you have to do is watch how a thread devolves: it quickly starts throwing around the usual partisan insults, e.g. "commie" or "nazi" or whatever.



I probably should have prefaced my post here by saying that, generally speaking, this is one of the best-run forums I've ever seen. No moderation is perfect, but it runs really well overall. I am certainly talking about fine-tuning here.


There's news, and there's editorial. "Trump attends Bitcoin conference" is obviously news, but the responses to that news are... editorial. In other words, some people's conclusions are going to be, "...and so you should support Trump in the next US election!", at which point the conversation is about who should win the next US election, and therefore how life in the US should change or not change for every American.

Indeed, I think some outside of the US don't care about absolutely anything except one particular policy and they perceive (wrongly) that changing one of our politicians will change that policy. Then they look up how you are supposed to advocate for that politician, and viola, they are repeating the politician's party line and every aspect of it.

This can be illustrated by how some of the "big boys" (and yes, they are all boys ) of crypto are advocating for Trump: they are giving him millions so he can buy advertising to broadcast his talking points that have nothing to do with Bitcoin. There is no significant "Bitcoin vote" and they know that. They do what any industry lobby does.

So while I think it's theoretically possible to have non-political Bitcoin-related announcement thread that includes a politician or political surrogate, that's not, in practicality, what happens.