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copper member
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Crypto.BI
I know, the whole energy argument is stupid.  Just think about all the electricity the banking and credit card systems use (office buildings, employees driving to work, etc)

An interesting question would be the efficiency.

Credit card operators process millions of transactions per second using X amount of power.

How much power is spent by Bitcoin per transaction?
sr. member
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why have to think about how much of energy needed by bitcoin, I care only when bitcoin is on higher price for selling and when bitcoin at lower price for buying, just thinking when have I buy and when have to sell of bitcoin.
it's true that you have to say that the thing to think of course is when we have to buy and sell like now is the time to buy a lot of bitcoin so that someday we can get a big profit
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I don't think that crypto currency itself could be using as much power as this article is saying. Considering that I've never seen the charts and outputs directly correlated with piwer and crypto currency. I mean we're just using our phones or laptops or desktops for all of this to happen. Have we ever thought how much energy we use browsing facebook?
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why have to think about how much of energy needed by bitcoin, I care only when bitcoin is on higher price for selling and when bitcoin at lower price for buying, just thinking when have I buy and when have to sell of bitcoin.
Well you might not care about how much of the energy is used in mining Bitcoin but the miners do. The low the cost of mining, the maximum the profit they make by mining. The good market in addition adds more value to the portfolio.
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Most bitcoin mining operations in china are powered by hydroelectric plants rather than coal.

Do you have any reference to that? Would like to confirm this fact. Thanks!
legendary
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why have to think about how much of energy needed by bitcoin, I care only when bitcoin is on higher price for selling and when bitcoin at lower price for buying, just thinking when have I buy and when have to sell of bitcoin.

Exactly. People themselves don't care one single bit about Bitcoin's energy consumption, because they use it how it benefits them. If something is useful, the 'negative' aspect associated with that suddenly doesn't matter anymore, and this goes up for Google's (and basically other large tech companies) insane datacenters as well. Do people care how much their datacenters consume in energy? Nope, because people use their services.

Those who complain about Bitcoin's energy consumtion are bitter individuals not seeing the value in Bitcoin. In other words, no coiner trash talk. These people were trash talking datacenters back in the early internet age as well. Give it time; no coiners will become addicted Bitcoiners eventually, and they'll shut up about Bitcoin's energy consumption.
sr. member
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Don't comparing about energy but we should comparing about the cost, fiat money need more cost rather than bitcoin for it's transfer, managent and renewal. While bitcoin only need less then 1$ for each transaction. So agree with you to stop saying about how much energy bitcoin uses.
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how not to worry because in fact in fact bitcoin mining activities consume very large electrical energy, and are not environmentally friendly. maybe if there are other electric power alternatives such as solar or water, it might reduce it more. but still, the electricity consumption of bitcoin mining remains large.
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Yup for people who are against Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies in general they always try to find loopholes or associate bad things on it yet they fail to even make a good ppint about of it. Just like what they are saying about crypto mining taking up a lot of power when they fail to make renewable energy as a factor. They talk about mining wasting energy as if electricity now is a scarce resource. Why not instead of complaining about it they instead try to improve the renewable energy we currently have because it is really now important to change from coal to a much more greener alternative.
Haters are always haters, they do not care about the industry as long as they do not want. If they did not destroy the image of cryptocurrency or bitcoin in issues like high fees and low transaction speed plus bubble thing, they tend to use the energy as consumption of bitcoin. Definitely, they just look for loopholes because they do not want bitcoin to exist. However, they know that bitcoin is usable also and current can be charged not only in geothermal but in solar also.
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why have to think about how much of energy needed by bitcoin, I care only when bitcoin is on higher price for selling and when bitcoin at lower price for buying, just thinking when have I buy and when have to sell of bitcoin.
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Obviously it is energy consuming but in todays world what is not... I think that should not necessarily be an argument against Bitcoin
For example China and Iceland has free cost of electricity we can mine 24 hour there. But in my country where electricity is expensive bitcoin mining would never be worth it. We always care about our electricity bills.
the problem is not free or pay, but too much electricity is bad for the environment? but the OP explained that we don't need to worry about the energy needed to use bitcoin? because they right, use of bitcoin in my opinion doesn't require a lot of energy..
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I don't know if there is an exact correlation. But let me see if i can make sense out of it. If by using electricity i can save myself the money to commute or gas to use my car to go all the way to bank, park, line up, drive to the store, line up again and pay, drive back home then I'd gladly pay the electricity than use gas and my precious time.
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I know, the whole energy argument is stupid.  Just think about all the electricity the banking and credit card systems use (office buildings, employees driving to work, etc)

Always these allegations. Really stupid.
 do we have any idea of how much power the entire fiat system costs?
Be aware that the digital number on your bank accountant represents physical fiat.
Those need to be produced, moved and stored.
legendary
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Obviously it is energy consuming but in todays world what is not... I think that should not necessarily be an argument against Bitcoin
I do not think it is really as important as we make it out to be, I do not see environmentalist people marching down the road with signs "stop bitcoin, it kills trees" or whatever. No one really cares about how much bitcoin world uses in electricity, considering banks are using probably a thousand times more than what bitcoin is using there are further stuff to worry about.

Plus this is a story mostly made up by the corporations like visa and mastercard to shift the focus on what sides of bitcoin could be bad and all they could think of was the energy it is using which is really not that much at all. Considering we are moving further away from old type of energy and working towards sun and wind than we can clearly say it won't be a problem sometime quite soon as well.
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Do not worry too much about digging bitcoins that will consume a lot of energy, as now there are alternative energies that can save electricity. Moreover, compared to the electricity consumed by banks, it is much larger than bitcoin
newbie
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Obviously it is energy consuming but in todays world what is not... I think that should not necessarily be an argument against Bitcoin
For example China and Iceland has free cost of electricity we can mine 24 hour there. But in my country where electricity is expensive bitcoin mining would never be worth it. We always care about our electricity bills.
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The word “bitcoin” is as likely to garner feverish excitement as it is glaring criticism. The financial community sees speculative promise in the form of trade that currently has little to no regulation. Meanwhile, others argue that it’s a distraction that detracts from the overall longevity of U.S. financial institutions.

Bitcoin’s energy consumption has become a recent talking point in the debate. A Forbes article published May 30 indicates that bitcoin dramatically increases global energy consumption – and that electricity is its “Achilles heel.”

I am a researcher who studies clean energy technology, specifically the transition toward decarbonized energy systems. I think that the conversation around bitcoin and energy has been oversimplified.

New technologies – such as data centers, computers and before them trains, planes and automobiles – are often energy-intensive. Over time, all of these have become more efficient, a natural progression of any technology: Saving energy equates to saving costs.

By talking specifically about just the consumption of energy alone, I believe many fail to understand one of the most basic benefits of renewable energy systems. Electricity production can increase while still maintaining a minimal impact on the environment. Rather than focusing on how much energy bitcoin uses, the discussion should center around who indeed is producing it – and where their power comes from.

Counting consumption
Unlocking a bitcoin requires an intense amount of computational power. Think of bitcoin as sort of a hidden currency code, where its value is derived by solving a programmable puzzle. Getting through this puzzle requires computer brainpower.

Electricity is 90 percent of the cost to mine bitcoin. As such, bitcoin mining uses an exorbitant amount of power: somewhere between an estimated 30 terrawatt hours alone in 2017 alone. That’s as much electricity as it takes to power the entire nation of Ireland in one year.

Indeed, this is a lot, but not exorbitant. Banking consumes an estimated 100 terrawatts of power annually. If bitcoin technology were to mature by more than 100 times its current market size, it would still equal only 2 percent of all energy consumption.


Power sources
Bitcoin is certainly consuming an increasing amount of power worldwide, but is it increasing the world’s carbon consumption? Bitcoin miners have traditionally set up shop in China, where coal supplies 60 percent of the nation’s electricity.

Now, bitcoin mining is exploding in areas with cheap power, like the Pacific Northwest. Power there is mainly cheap due to the massive availability of hydropower, a low-carbon resource.

Bitcoin mining in China, with a largely fossil-based electricity source, may indeed be problematic. China is already one of the world’s major contributors of carbon emissions. However, bitcoin mining in Oregon? Not the same thing. Not all types of energy generation are equal in their impact on the environment, nor does the world uniformly rely on the same types of generation across states and markets.

In Europe, for example, Iceland is becoming a popular place for bitcoin mining. That nation relies on nearly 100 percent renewable energy for its production. An abundant supply of geothermal and hydropower energy makes bitcoiners’ power demand cheap and nearly irrelevant.

Similarly, in the hydropower-driven Pacific Northwest, miners can still expect to turn a profit without contributing heavily to carbon emissions.


The right discussion
Like many other aspects of the energy industry, bitcoin is not necessarily a “bad guy.” It’s simply a new, and vaguely understood, industry.

The discussion about energy consumption and bitcoin is, I believe, unfair without discussing the energy intensity of new technologies overall, specifically in data centers.

Rather than discussing the energy consumption of bitcoin generally, people should be discussing the carbon production of bitcoin, and understanding whether certain mining towns are adding to an already large environmental burden.

Although there has been extensive discussion in the media of bitcoin’s energy consumption, I’m not aware of any studies that actually calculate the comparative carbon footprint of the bitcoin process.

Global electricity consumption is going up overall. The U.S. Energy Information Administration predicts that world use will increase nearly 28 percent over the next two decades. But increasing energy consumption is bad only if we aren’t shifting toward less carbon-dense power production. So far, it seems that only miners are currently shifting toward cleaner parts of the world.

So perhaps people should quit criticizing bitcoin for its energy intensity and start criticizing states and nations for still providing new industries with dirty power supplies instead.


https://theconversation.com/stop-worrying-about-how-much-energy-bitcoin-uses-97591

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Haven't seen many pieces which made an attempt to be objective and unbiased on bitcoin's energy consumption.

I believe this one to be accurate with a single exception. Most bitcoin mining operations in china are powered by hydroelectric plants rather than coal. She is correct in citing coal as producing the majority of china's electricity. However she is incorrect in thinking this translates to bitcoin mining utilizing coal.

Hydroelectric power is cheaper and more affordable than coal generated electricity. Bitcoin miners have mobility due to mining not being tied to any specific geographic area. This makes it the perfect application for "zero carbon emission", environmentally friendly, hydroelectric power and I do believe that is the source miners tap.

Still it is worrying because our Governments will have a huge issue about it. But it the end it would still be useful because crypto will have a great impact in the future.
newbie
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Obviously it is energy consuming but in todays world what is not... I think that should not necessarily be an argument against Bitcoin
I am not agree. Ask from those country's people where electricity is to much expensive. Mining is worth it only for those country where electricity is cheap and almost free.
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If we compare the electricity used by the banks all over the world then miners are no where near them which means mining is already saving lot of energy for us.And in future we may see the miners which can produce more hashrate of power with less energy consumption when we compare to the current miners so it is better to work on improving the miners efficiency that crying about it.
newbie
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Do not be so worried about the energy that bitcoin uses, bitcoin miners today know how to use renewable energy like solar panels to save on the electricity they pay. As a result, the cost of bitcoin digging is significantly reduced
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