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legendary
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January 31, 2024, 09:48:51 AM
#71
having a lil think..

hammer & screwdriver index: people preferring to do DIY instead of calling a repairman
band-aid index: for countries without fre national health, prefer to sort injuries themselves instead of visiting a doctor
woolly sweater index: people wear thick clothing at home instead of using the central heating
hand-me-down index: people getting thrifty/charitable with clothing instead of buying new
dish-cloth diaper index: using re-usable washable fabric as diaper/sanitary pads instead of commercial single use products


I both agree and disagree Smiley
1. hammer & screwdriver index: people preferring to do DIY instead of calling a repairman
Partly debatable. For example, furniture from Ikea or Jusk - isn't it nice to assemble furniture in a country house with your own hands? It's another matter if you glue broken cups together because you can't buy them ...

2. band-aid index: for countries without free national health care, prefer to sort injuries themselves instead of visiting a doctor.
I agree for the most part. Doctors are doctors to make the right diagnosis and prescribe the right treatment. Self-medication is a bad option.
 
3. woolly sweater index: people wear thick clothing at home instead of using the central heating
A controversial index Smiley I know that in northern countries it is normal not to turn on the radiators 100% and just wear warmer clothes at home. It's more a matter of habit. But if people wear hats at home, it means there is a problem with heating, or rather the ability to pay for this service.

4. hand-me-down index: people getting thrifty/charitable with clothing instead of buying new
Reasonable consumption is normal ! Buying a bunch of goods to throw half of them away is not logical and wrong.

5. dish-cloth diaper index: using re-usable washable fabric as diaper/sanitary pads instead of commercial single use products.
I agree, this is an indicator of lack of money and difficult economic situation, because these are essential goods, and in a normal situation they are available and not expensive.

I would add :
- change of food basket and diet - shift to cheap food, including concentrates, where there are a lot of carbohydrates and starches, but little vegetables, fruits and meat.
- Withdrawal from quality medicines
- inability to pay for basic utilities.
- self-repair of clothes instead of buying new ones
- Reducing expenditures on recreation and entertainment
sr. member
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January 29, 2024, 10:15:00 PM
#70
I think that is a tricky decision. If they can't control how much money is in the market, it can go south quickly and will just increase inflation like what happened in Argentina iirc. At some point, people need to become creative on their own so they don't rely on the government to survive for a while. I guess this is where natural selection comes into play.

Weirdly enough, I stopped taking regular haircuts a few years ago. My reason is just laziness though, quite different from the Japanese I guess. On the other hand, the price to get a basic haircut does increase here. Things are getting expensive.
I agree with your opinion, if people have to be more independent in making their economy better, because by hoping that the government can help our economy, it doesn't necessarily mean that the government can channel it appropriately so if we don't think for ourselves then we won't be able to meet our own needs. ourselves, so it would be better for us to do it ourselves to improve our own economic situation.

I think everyone has a different way of using the income they have, but if we have enough income then it would be better for us to take care of ourselves so that we don't become a conversation among other people about our appearance.


I think some persons in thier best knowledge knows and understands how to adjust,manage and tackle themselves in such a financial situation.Once they noticed the economy is bad or there is an economic failure in the country that needs attention,they'll literally change their spending habits,they'll surely look forward to save more,increase their emergency fund.But in all of these,just ensure that whatever you do,make sure you've accumulated enough capacity and ability to cater and survive during that financial rough patch.
legendary
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December 13, 2023, 02:13:48 PM
#69
having a lil think..

hammer & screwdriver index: people preferring to do DIY instead of calling a repairman
band-aid index: for countries without fre national health, prefer to sort injuries themselves instead of visiting a doctor
woolly sweater index: people wear thick clothing at home instead of using the central heating
hand-me-down index: people getting thrifty/charitable with clothing instead of buying new
dish-cloth diaper index: using re-usable washable fabric as diaper/sanitary pads instead of commercial single use products

seem practical to the have-nots. but if the middle class is already doing all these, definitely a sign.
in the family, someone has to become a handyman in the house fixing fences and tubes under their sink just by googling solutions. we can do it ourselves these days even the appliances that only need a soldering iron can save you from spending money.

there was an incident in the neighborhood where someone slipped due the the garbage just scattered around, his palm was slashed by a piece of glass so he just wrapped it with a piece of cloth for several days til it started healing but surely it needed stitching.


another is

cheap gifts index: people give cheap gifts after all it's the thought that counts.


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legendary
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December 10, 2023, 11:47:04 AM
#68
having a lil think..

hammer & screwdriver index: people preferring to do DIY instead of calling a repairman
band-aid index: for countries without fre national health, prefer to sort injuries themselves instead of visiting a doctor
woolly sweater index: people wear thick clothing at home instead of using the central heating
hand-me-down index: people getting thrifty/charitable with clothing instead of buying new
dish-cloth diaper index: using re-usable washable fabric as diaper/sanitary pads instead of commercial single use products
hero member
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December 10, 2023, 08:10:09 AM
#67

2. diaper rash - parents wouldn't mind if their kid's diapers are already full during an economic crisis and are not neglectful when it comes to the diaper turning yellow during an economic upturn.


This is also what I've noticed. Even though it is disgusting, others will clean it with soap and water and again it can be worn again. It is a disposable one, but they will reuse it because it is expensive to buy a new one. Even some of my relatives, I do see them buying the diapers cheaper than they used to buy them before because of the price and even others will now be using a cloth and making it like a diaper just to save money. I've noticed everything is not the same as before. Even now that it's Christmas, you can't see lights at the houses because it's very expensive, as well as the electricity. They will spend more on other necessities than buying those decorations.
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December 10, 2023, 04:55:01 AM
#66
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but here are indicators to confirm we really are in an economic downturn.
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Is all of these real studies? I am giggling just by reading this LOL. I know the price of Oil and basic goods will raise because of the inflation and other stuff, but determining the economic condition by Boobs Job, Diaper, and Men Haircut sounds so comedic. I really wish to read more about this theory if you care to share the literatures.
legendary
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December 04, 2023, 02:26:03 PM
#65
Hyperinflation, is a most noticeable sign that the economy is in the worst situation, the reason, well the one that I can blame is a corrupt government, wars (any kind), because all the government and rich people wants power, in a bad way.

That's why this world where we live in will never have the peace and success that all of us will attain, because we have different goals, and most of the powerful people in the world just wanted to show how powerful they are that they can destroy a country just because they wanted its resources or anything that will benefit them.

hyperinflation sounds like Zimbabwe already. right now we are still not in that condition yet. but high prices make regular people poorer. in my country the price of onions shoots up to 300% increase these are the kind of stuff that is needed daily.

another indicator is the rise of crimes like hijacking FedEx delivery trucks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vt6T-xMVAk
when you expect something to be delivered today and the delivery is delayed for hours, something must have happened.
sr. member
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November 30, 2023, 09:10:43 AM
#64
Hyperinflation, is a most noticeable sign that the economy is in the worst situation, the reason, well the one that I can blame is a corrupt government, wars (any kind), because all the government and rich people wants power, in a bad way.

That's why this world where we live in will never have the peace and success that all of us will attain, because we have different goals, and most of the powerful people in the world just wanted to show how powerful they are that they can destroy a country just because they wanted its resources or anything that will benefit them.
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November 30, 2023, 03:30:13 AM
#63
The recent surge in mass layoffs and the subsequent struggles of displaced workers are indeed stark signs of the ongoing economic downturn. These individuals, who once held decent-paying jobs with promising retirement plans, are now forced to juggle multiple jobs just to make ends meet, a situation that highlights the severe impact of the recession.

However, the most concerning aspect is the persistent denial among economists and politicians regarding the existence of a recession. Despite overwhelming evidence, they refuse to acknowledge the reality, a move that could potentially delay or hinder effective measures to address the crisis.

Their reluctance to accept the reality of the recession stems from the fear of taking responsibility and the lack of clear solutions. Acknowledging a recession would necessitate action, and they lack the necessary expertise or political will to devise effective solutions.
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November 30, 2023, 02:59:38 AM
#62
I think that a bad economy is not only measured in the rise of the price of the goods, but there might also be other indicators to know it. On many well-developed countries, the price of their items are also high but their economy was still in a healthy condition. I know it's crazy but I think an increase in the price of the goods might also be beneficial to those people behind them or to the ones who create/produced them and to the economy in general, so we should also think about this before we complain.

In terms of salary, I think this doesn't has to do with the economy most of the times, but it only has to do with the company that you are working with. You better switch jobs and find a better paying one.
their measures that are used to know a bad economy and among all these measure increases in products are under one of the measures and when they talk about the economy of a country, one of the things they consider is the well being of that country, things like the employment rate the GDP, the income how well do people earn and do their earnings meet up with their needs and how well they do in term of manufacturing and many more so if many countries lack these things then it will affect the shape of the countries economy, and the price of things are manipulated by marketers some times and there are limited companies so demand is low and supply is high and that is why things keep adding up.

In my opinion, salaries should be measured by the minimum wage standard in an area, if our salary is several times the minimum wage, then I think we can live decently, but most people have a high lifestyle, so any salary seems not enough to cover it. . therefore everyone's standard of living is different, it would be a shame if we lived only according to prestige, because most of what happens is like this
yeah, and they keep you in one place and pay you a small amount of money at the end of the month, and expect you to be always available at work in my country just to increase the minimum wage is a problem I wonder how some people survive with that amount of money, after spending so many years in schools, and you look at the so-called salaries and politicians are their making serious money with no serious work compared to civil servants.
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November 30, 2023, 12:49:54 AM
#61
10) femal sanitary pad index: due to the high cost of living in the economy, the female gender don't really mind using tissue paper instead of sanitary pad Grin

Things are really getting costlier by the day, and it is gradually taking us back to the early 70s or 80s which people leave there lives without minding anything. The petrol pump price has increased to and extent that many people no longer drive there cars anymore. They now board public transport.

People hardly feed three square meal a day. Most people have graduated since many years ago, but to find a job that they will use to keep the family moving has become a problem. The economic situation is really bad. But no matter what happens we will keep on moving and working hard till we achieve our goal. Since we can not stop the bad economy we would just work hard to scale through the bad situation.
legendary
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November 29, 2023, 11:42:47 PM
#60
those are all indeed strange indicators but I guess when economy is getting worst and worst by the day anything related to being consumtive would definitely decrease, its not necessarily all these strange indexes but anything that cause you to pay bill you will reduce it, therefore it might be better to call it reduction of money circulation around the people when economy getting worst because people are not eager to spend money in difficult times.
I even have found some strange indicator as well like when the economy was bad, so few people are actually going to some restaurant but instead going to kfc and mcdonalds because their cheap junk food are the best at difficult times.
the restaurant are becoming irrelevant because people think of it as unnecessary when you can find something to fill your belly for few dollars why come to restaurant and empty your wallets.
It is even worse than that, it is not that people have money and they are refusing to spend it, people simply do not have money and they need to learn how to make more with less, since they are not paid the same as before and everything is more expensive.

And it makes sense that restaurants as a whole are one of the first sectors to be affected by an economic crisis, after all restaurants sell their dishes for a price many times higher than what they paid themselves for the ingredients to make the food, and when people have to cut costs, eating at a restaurant is one of the first expenses to go, since you can eliminate it and replace it by just cooking your own food.

even bigmac meal today according to the recent news will also cost $18.  https://nypost.com/2023/07/19/mcdonalds-branch-slammed-for-charging-18-for-a-big-mac-meal/
they are still operating though which is a good thing for this fastfood restaurant, they said it's because they also approved the increase in the minimum wage of its workers.

you'd still be lucky if you could buy and cook. i learned from my cousins they were already planning to just go fishing and keep even the small size fish. it's illegal but gotta do what they gotta do.

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November 29, 2023, 10:18:45 PM
#59
those are all indeed strange indicators but I guess when economy is getting worst and worst by the day anything related to being consumtive would definitely decrease, its not necessarily all these strange indexes but anything that cause you to pay bill you will reduce it, therefore it might be better to call it reduction of money circulation around the people when economy getting worst because people are not eager to spend money in difficult times.
I even have found some strange indicator as well like when the economy was bad, so few people are actually going to some restaurant but instead going to kfc and mcdonalds because their cheap junk food are the best at difficult times.
the restaurant are becoming irrelevant because people think of it as unnecessary when you can find something to fill your belly for few dollars why come to restaurant and empty your wallets.
It is even worse than that, it is not that people have money and they are refusing to spend it, people simply do not have money and they need to learn how to make more with less, since they are not paid the same as before and everything is more expensive.

And it makes sense that restaurants as a whole are one of the first sectors to be affected by an economic crisis, after all restaurants sell their dishes for a price many times higher than what they paid themselves for the ingredients to make the food, and when people have to cut costs, eating at a restaurant is one of the first expenses to go, since you can eliminate it and replace it by just cooking your own food.
legendary
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November 28, 2023, 04:23:31 AM
#58
The economic downturn is a biased situation that brings about downfalls and limitations to human services and exchanges that also could bridge about appreciatable lifelines where as the poor can't afford to qualify demands even if it is not one of the expensive demands.
No one was meant to be denied good health, good educations, good foods, living and having smiles on the face but the reigns of economy downturn has ruined it all.
The resultants of economy downturn is a service that has offered the masses disruptions towards their endivoirs or engagements and also brings about relationship bridges and also gets the poor irresponsible reputations that they are unable to take response to their responsibilities.
Unfortunately the world changes constantly, and the news and the online world are getting to a level where they are brainwashing people to be against each other, instead of being against the reason. There are a lot more billionaires now, and they keep talking about how that is due to inflation, and yet the minimum wage worker is not making all that much more, and in cases they do, they still do not live better, and yet the rich does.

The issue is that back in the day, "minimum wage" meant that you should be able to live with that, you could have a house (rent or bought doesn't matter) and be able to eat food that is not only the cheapest ever you can find, you can send your kids to school, basically live a decent life.

This idea is so crazy to people right now, someone with minimum wage, be able to afford healthcare, education, food, house, maybe even a cheap car, you should all get that, there shouldn't be a single people.

And yet, in the world we live, people die because they couldn't afford a medicine, does that even make sense to you? Like pharma company wanted profit, so it didn't sell affordable, so people died, in order to make that pharma company more profit, is that even logical? That's insane, and yet the reality.
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November 27, 2023, 06:40:56 PM
#57
those are all indeed strange indicators but I guess when economy is getting worst and worst by the day anything related to being consumtive would definitely decrease, its not necessarily all these strange indexes but anything that cause you to pay bill you will reduce it, therefore it might be better to call it reduction of money circulation around the people when economy getting worst because people are not eager to spend money in difficult times.
I even have found some strange indicator as well like when the economy was bad, so few people are actually going to some restaurant but instead going to kfc and mcdonalds because their cheap junk food are the best at difficult times.
the restaurant are becoming irrelevant because people think of it as unnecessary when you can find something to fill your belly for few dollars why come to restaurant and empty your wallets.
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November 27, 2023, 06:28:34 PM
#56

I did know that such indicators exist. They are not entirely strange bit I would call them less common indicators. From off the top of my head, some other less likely indicators include -
- cellular call index- people may make less call during a recession to save money on cal bills
- brothel index- people are less likely to visit brothels and strip clubs during a recession.
- shortlet index -hotels and rental businesses are affected. Less travels and sleepovers.
- gambling/casino index- people gamble less or restrict their gambling activities during an economic downturn.

I think I will go on with your indexes here rather than in OP's indicators.  Grin
Anyway, we all have our own indicators if we are experiencing some economic downturn.
But one thing for sure is that we are more attentive with our expenses if we know we have limited resources.
Also, those indicators will depend on where you are in the world and your economic status as we have different needs.
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November 27, 2023, 05:26:48 PM
#55
We should always consider the inflation rate, unemployment rate, poverty rate, natality and mortality rate, natural disasters, war and human productivity under division of labor, all these will give us some accurate level or indications to read the economy progress and lapses in other to be able to deduce the causes and remedy to all these, gover also has alot to play in making the economy run as expected because one of the people it would first favour is them
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November 27, 2023, 04:58:32 PM
#54
Giving attention to the prices of the products we buy itself an indicator that the economic situation is not good there, and some of the indicators you mentioned are really strange though and I don't think we can still use them in the present day to assess the economic situation. For example, diaper rash, which is considered to be a priority for the parents no matter what, and if they are in a position to can't afford then they cut down other expenses, not the diapers.
legendary
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November 27, 2023, 04:13:45 PM
#53
we know the economy is bad when gas prices have already gone up and all the rest of the stuff we usually buy in the grocery store is up 15%. and because your salary is just what it was the last 2 years, your situation is just as bad as the rest of us. we are in a recession. one reason more economists wanna be think we are in a recession is because we hear it on the news too.

but here are indicators to confirm we really are in an economic downturn.

1. butter popcorn index - people go to movies regardless of how bad the movie is. they just go see movies to just get away from their problems. but when the economy is bad, just sit and watch netflix.
2. diaper rash - parents wouldn't mind if their kid's diapers are already full during an economic crisis and are not neglectful when it comes to the diaper turning yellow during an economic upturn.
3. plastic surgery index - plastic surgery index is generally down during rough times as women wouldn't mind how small their boobs are than when the economy is booming.  
4. lipstick index -  women wouldn't spend much on expensive lipsticks so sales are gonna be bad for lipsticks compared to the times when economy is great.
5. japanese haircut index - during a good economy, more people in japan will take care of themselves and get their looks neat and they're not doing this during bad times. women don't go to beauty parlors.
6. bike fatality index - during an economic crisis, people use bikes often or can't afford cars so more bike accidents happen.
7. men underwear index - men especially singles don't mind wearing underwear with a couple of holes in it, no one sees it anyway. men buy less underwear during economic downturns.
8. garbage index - less garbage because people buy less when the economy is bad and buy more when times are good so more garbage everywhere.
9. unclaimed body index - during a bad economy, dead people are not claimed in the morgue. horrible index to look at how bad the economy is.
i'm sure people take care of their family when they die. can't believe this is happening.

i'm sure there are some more, there is also a "beer index" where people prefer to just buy 6 packs and go drink at home rather than a bar.
a few months ago, i bought my kid a secondhand laptop rather than a new one because it's expensive, i think this is also an indicator. and i know he'd break it sooner.

These are the sort of things you'll see in the book "freakonomics" which is a fascinating insight into these sort of abstract and unexpected indicators. However the way you're framing some of these is a bit misleading, take the diaper example - I think the majority of parents want what is best for their children and try to provide for them as much as possible, so it's probably the fact that they simply cannot afford expensive diapers during downturns rather than treating their children badly - of course they mind. However these historical indicators are often hard to judge and we only see them long after the recession has set in, plus they can be hard to differentiate between ever changing consumer habits.
sr. member
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November 27, 2023, 03:45:42 PM
#52

I did know that such indicators exist. They are not entirely strange bit I would call them less common indicators. From off the top of my head, some other less likely indicators include -
- cellular call index- people may make less call during a recession to save money on cal bills
- brothel index- people are less likely to visit brothels and strip clubs during a recession.
- shortlet index -hotels and rental businesses are affected. Less travels and sleepovers.
- gambling/casino index- people gamble less or restrict their gambling activities during an economic downturn.
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