Topic: Strong democracy or strong constitution ? - page 2. (Read 3542 times)

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I agree with this very much. Democracy is touted as the fairest form of government, but I don't think that any form of government that allows the rights of an individual to be taken away at the behest of the majority, just for the sake of it being a more popular position, can possibly be regarded as "fair." A fair government protects the rights of everyone, at all times. Your life, liberty, and property should not be taken from you involuntarily, and the only legitimate function of government is to make sure that those three things aren't.

Democracy is wrong. It is rule by the majority. If you are in the 49% who doesn't like what the 51% voted into place, do you want to be forced to do it? That's what democracy is. Get rid of it.

Rather, enact common law all over. Common law says, do anything you want, anything at all, as long as you don't:
1. Harm other people;
2. Damage their property;
3. Break a contract that you signed into with full understanding.

Who cares about what a constitution or other document says? As law as common law as stated above is the basis for all of it, freedom will abound.

In the U.S., Canada, and the U.K., that's the basis of law - the common law. The reason we don't see it is that the governments of these nations have tried and hidden it from the people. It's time for the people to wake up.

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You couldn't come up with a more oxymoronic idea than that if you tried.

I believe in a virtuous anti-government that wholly consists of an authoritarian anarchist, like we have with the imperial government.

I prefer a political system with strong democracy. The beauty of democracy is: you can stand in front of a billion tons giant iron complex working machine, stare at it and criticize it and claim for a change of it, or at least we can scream at it

[X] Constitutionally-enforced democracy

You have presented a false dichotomy... see here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/message-to-the-voting-cattle-732610

I'm for strong constitution but only if it is a good one.
I mean, look at european union constitution, it is just shit: not ment for guarantee people's rights but only to annihilate democracy.

The real questions shoud be:
How is done a good constitution?
Which countries have a good constitution?

i will even prafare strong constitution and a free and fair election and a good government

I don't think this is really an either/or type question. The constitution is usually constructed and agreed upon in a democratic fashion. Once the people agree to the constitution it is generally more difficult to change then it is "normal" laws. The constitution is always able to be changed if enough of the people want it changed.

TL;DR - democracy = constitution

Frankly, I'd be happy to believe in that, but when I see some islamists who think life would be a dream if everything was regulated according to the Koran, I wonder: how do you guarantee the constitution is a good one?

i really believe in strong constitution.

(I am German, but I know either way that) Markets can be manipulated, just as people can be manipulated. Nothing new under the sun, an unsolved problem for mankind.

Strong democracy
The choice of the people should generally prevail

I repeat Hitler came to power democratically. He didn't have a majority in 1933, that's very true, but that doesn't change anything. In Italy, the Netherlands, Austria or Belgium and plenty of other countries, the political leaders, today, don't have a majority either. A 51% majority is just impossible as there are too many candidates at each election. So there's got to be a coalition, and the best man to achieve that is appointed.

Saying Hitler didn't came to power democratically is saying there's no democracy in Italy, the Netherlands, nor in all the countries which have the same constitutional system as Germany in the 1930's. And all Germans agree on this: Hitler had the support of a majority of the German people for many years. Just ask a German!

Strong constitution that protect individual right.

strong constitution #1 best for everyone

Yeah, sound familiar with another guy who unable to read the topic.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8181815

He wasn't elected, he failed to achieve majority even after triple attempt of election. He was appointed by the president.

democracy is not when the majority can do wharever they want, but it is when all the powers are more or less balanced, and we have the empire of the law and the fundamentals values above all.

Then the correct would be strong consensus or strong democracy.