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newbie
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July 12, 2019, 02:55:40 AM
#26
Yeah, fucking like this community! Thank you all for teaching me about btc😊
legendary
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July 12, 2019, 02:19:44 AM
#25
And confirmed about 2 hours after your last post.

Block that included the transaction was found by BTC.com, too, which could suggest that submitting your tx to the antpool accelerator worked, especially since mempool was about as big as during the time it was submitted (30k), but I guess there's no real way of finding out.

But it's more likely it was the CPFP, since they were included in the same blocks. Either way it worked!
newbie
Activity: 11
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July 11, 2019, 05:42:23 PM
#24
Alright then, thanks. I'll wait as you said boss❤
HCP
legendary
Activity: 2086
Merit: 4363
July 11, 2019, 05:37:17 PM
#23
So actually i did good that I tried to make another transaction with high fees?
Yes... and no. It was a good attempt, but unfortunately, I don't think the fee was really high enough to make a big difference. The mempool is still quite full and the recommended fees are still quite a bit higher than what your "effective" fee is.


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And if I will add another transaction with high fees? Should it be even more better?
No... you'll quickly see diminishing returns as each transaction you add in will need to increase the fees to such an extent that it covers the size of ALL the previous transactions as well.

If you wanted to increase your effective fee up to 20 sats/byte... you would then increase your effective transaction size by one more transaction:
223+192+192 = 607 bytes

It's possible that it could even be bigger if it needed more than 1 input + 1 output, so consider that the absolute minimum increase.

20 sats/byte * 607 bytes = 12140 sats... or 0.00012140 BTC... just as the fee to be paid.


For now, I'd just leave it as it is... and see what happens in the next couple of hours.
newbie
Activity: 11
Merit: 4
July 11, 2019, 05:35:45 PM
#22
Yeah only now I get what a messy wallet I use. I'll wait 12 more hours until I'll do another transaction.
Thank you so much, really.
legendary
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July 11, 2019, 05:27:41 PM
#21
Wow mate, thank you so much!
So actually i did good that I tried to make another transaction with high fees?
And if I will add another transaction with high fees? Should it be even more better?
Sorry but I just feel so lost with this BTC world
Yes, the priority goes higher but there's no need to make another transaction unless there's a huge wave of unconfirmed transactions in the next few minutes that are paying more fees than what you've used. It's only hard because of the wallet you're using their options are limited, on other wallets it's much easier.
newbie
Activity: 11
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July 11, 2019, 05:10:57 PM
#20
To the first question, no, nothing came back to my account.
You likely won't see it "come back"... it's a slightly misleading way to describe what change is. Your wallet will automatically detect that the 2nd output being created is being assigned to an address from your wallet, so it will recognise it as "change" and adjust your balances accordingly.

Bitcoin isn't like "internet banking" where you say send $68 to X... and it creates a transaction that sends exactly $68 to X... Generally, your wallet "balance" is actually made up of several "unspent transaction outputs" (UTXOs). These can be of all different values... and most likely, none will be the exact value that you're trying to send to someone.

So you wallet will group several together until it has enough to be greater than or equal to "the value you're trying to send + transaction fee". In your instance, you tried to send $68.33 and it used a UTXO that was worth, $69.02. It then broke that up into the $68.33 output... the $0.66 "change" output... and the rest ($0.03) was spent on fees.

You can read more about how "change" works here: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Change


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And the second question, I do have some more balance inside. I don't care pay even 5$ if there any service like that.
It isn't a service... you just create a new transaction that spends the unconfirmed output from the first transaction and use a large fee to cover both the original AND the new transaction so that a miner wants that large fee and has to include both your stuck transaction and the new high fee transaction to claim their prize Wink

It would appear that you've attempted CPFP: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/ee137508d705a0f8b45d25d92be306055da9ae535ef1b96c4235439b6b8a5913

Unfortunately, it hasn't really added toooo much in the way of a fee boost. I think the average fee you've paid across the 2 transactions is now about 10 sats/byte.

Total Size of txes: 226 bytes + 192 bytes = 415 bytes
Total fees paid: 0.00000226 + 0.00003840 = 0.00004066 BTC

Total fee rate: 4066 sats / 415 bytes = 9.8 sats/byte (which in new terminology is ~2.5 sats/WeightUnit because it's non SegWit)

While that is a bit better than 1 sat/byte, it's not "huge", but it is a lot nearer to the top of the pile, so hopefully your transaction will be confirmed in the next few hours.


Wow mate, thank you so much!
So actually i did good that I tried to make another transaction with high fees?
And if I will add another transaction with high fees? Should it be even more better?
Sorry but I just feel so lost with this BTC world
HCP
legendary
Activity: 2086
Merit: 4363
July 11, 2019, 04:30:57 PM
#19
To the first question, no, nothing came back to my account.
You likely won't see it "come back"... it's a slightly misleading way to describe what change is. Your wallet will automatically detect that the 2nd output being created is being assigned to an address from your wallet, so it will recognise it as "change" and adjust your balances accordingly.

Bitcoin isn't like "internet banking" where you say send $68 to X... and it creates a transaction that sends exactly $68 to X... Generally, your wallet "balance" is actually made up of several "unspent transaction outputs" (UTXOs). These can be of all different values... and most likely, none will be the exact value that you're trying to send to someone.

So you wallet will group several together until it has enough to be greater than or equal to "the value you're trying to send + transaction fee". In your instance, you tried to send $68.33 and it used a UTXO that was worth, $69.02. It then broke that up into the $68.33 output... the $0.66 "change" output... and the rest ($0.03) was spent on fees.

You can read more about how "change" works here: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Change


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And the second question, I do have some more balance inside. I don't care pay even 5$ if there any service like that.
It isn't a service... you just create a new transaction that spends the unconfirmed output from the first transaction and use a large fee to cover both the original AND the new transaction so that a miner wants that large fee and has to include both your stuck transaction and the new high fee transaction to claim their prize Wink

It would appear that you've attempted CPFP: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/ee137508d705a0f8b45d25d92be306055da9ae535ef1b96c4235439b6b8a5913

Unfortunately, it hasn't really added toooo much in the way of a fee boost. I think the average fee you've paid across the 2 transactions is now about 10 sats/byte.

Total Size of txes: 226 bytes + 192 bytes = 415 bytes
Total fees paid: 0.00000226 + 0.00003840 = 0.00004066 BTC

Total fee rate: 4066 sats / 415 bytes = 9.8 sats/byte (which in new terminology is ~2.5 sats/WeightUnit because it's non SegWit)

While that is a bit better than 1 sat/byte, it's not "huge", but it is a lot nearer to the top of the pile, so hopefully your transaction will be confirmed in the next few hours.
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July 11, 2019, 12:32:14 PM
#18
To the first question, no, nothing came back to my account.
are you sure? did you manually set 2 destination addresses in your transaction
if you only send to 1 address, then the other output is a change address in your wallet

And the second question, I do have some more balance inside. I don't care pay even 5$ if there any service like that.
(You could try CPFP the change address but i doubt that that 5000 sat is going to improve things.)
he can use another input with that change amount in a CPFP transaction
I think blockchain wallet has coin control to do that, to include enough inputs
then boost the new transaction fee to cover both transactions
newbie
Activity: 11
Merit: 4
July 11, 2019, 12:25:05 PM
#17
Hey!
To the first question, no, nothing came back to my account.
And the second question, I do have some more balance inside. I don't care pay even 5$ if there any service like that.
If you want to do a CPFP, you'll probably need to

A. export your current blockchain.info wallet into electrum. Download electrum, get the seed from your blockchain.info wallet, check the BIP39 box, and you should be able to import your wallet.
B. Follow this guide, https://bitcoinelectrum.com/how-to-do-a-manual-child-pays-for-parent-transaction/

But this is only possible if you control the outputs that are being made here in this transaction. (Is that the case?)
(You could try CPFP the change address but i doubt that that 5000 sat is going to improve things.)





Or you could accelerate your tx:
https://pushtx.btc.com/unpaid/5687454885313ecd7f980e248383be1c1d2358537a948cc674cafb1782e0f82a

Which is definitely not worth it.

It's so complicated for me, I will wait until tomorrow, if not ill just pay 26$ to this site Sad And I thought using bitcoin is easy haha shame on me
legendary
Activity: 1946
Merit: 1427
July 11, 2019, 11:20:32 AM
#16
Hey!
To the first question, no, nothing came back to my account.
And the second question, I do have some more balance inside. I don't care pay even 5$ if there any service like that.
If you want to do a CPFP, you'll probably need to

A. export your current blockchain.info wallet into electrum. Download electrum, get the seed from your blockchain.info wallet, check the BIP39 box, and you should be able to import your wallet.
B. Follow this guide, https://bitcoinelectrum.com/how-to-do-a-manual-child-pays-for-parent-transaction/

But this is only possible if you control the outputs that are being made here in this transaction. (Is that the case?)
(You could try CPFP the change address but i doubt that that 5000 sat is going to improve things.)





Or you could accelerate your tx:
https://pushtx.btc.com/unpaid/5687454885313ecd7f980e248383be1c1d2358537a948cc674cafb1782e0f82a

Which is definitely not worth it.
newbie
Activity: 11
Merit: 4
July 11, 2019, 11:12:53 AM
#15
Hey!
To the first question, no, nothing came back to my account.
And the second question, I do have some more balance inside. I don't care pay even 5$ if there any service like that.
hero member
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July 11, 2019, 11:09:10 AM
#14
However, if they have other coins as well, then it wouldn't be that difficult.
I can do it only before the payment, right? I guess it's too late now
not too late if you want to do CPFP transaction, but answer these questions first
- is the change amount 0.00005090 BTC back to your blockchain wallet?
- do you have more balance than that in your blockchain wallet?
if yes to both questions, then you can try perform CPFP transaction
legendary
Activity: 1946
Merit: 1427
July 11, 2019, 10:27:41 AM
#13

I can do it only before the payment, right? I guess it's too late now
Depends, did you blockchain.info enable RBF?

Code:
{"txid":"5687454885313ecd7f980e248383be1c1d2358537a948cc674cafb1782e0f82a",,"[b]sequence":4294967295[/b]}],"
nSequence of
Code:
sequence":4294967295
means
Code:
0xffffffff

So that probably means you aren't signalling for RBF, (RBF is, someone correct me if i'm wrong, anything <0xffffffff)  in which case, no you can't.

Another reason to switch to a software wallet.
newbie
Activity: 11
Merit: 4
July 11, 2019, 10:24:11 AM
#12
Correct. But since the remaining amount is only 0.00005090 BTC, there's not much to work with. It could be "burned" as fee entirely (the value is less than the 1 dollar OP wants to spend on it), but I doubt blockchain.info allows that.
That's true assuming that the OP only has that one UTXO left in their wallet... However, if they have other coins as well, then it wouldn't be that difficult.


I tried to check increase the fees at the web but I didn't see the option there.
It's right in the send dialog "Customize Fee":
https://i.imgur.com/RBYhA8k.png

Once you click that, you can set what you like:
https://i.imgur.com/51ZiWJ5.png

I can do it only before the payment, right? I guess it's too late now
HCP
legendary
Activity: 2086
Merit: 4363
July 11, 2019, 06:17:12 AM
#11
Correct. But since the remaining amount is only 0.00005090 BTC, there's not much to work with. It could be "burned" as fee entirely (the value is less than the 1 dollar OP wants to spend on it), but I doubt blockchain.info allows that.
That's true assuming that the OP only has that one UTXO left in their wallet... However, if they have other coins as well, then it wouldn't be that difficult.


I tried to check increase the fees at the web but I didn't see the option there.
It's right in the send dialog "Customize Fee":


Once you click that, you can set what you like:

newbie
Activity: 11
Merit: 4
July 11, 2019, 06:00:54 AM
#10
Perfect time to test and see if any of the old accelerators still work! I just put your tx through Antpool's (free) accelerator, it must have been over a year since I last used but it still seems to work as before. Accepted the tx but no way of knowing if they really do line it up. We'll know if this confirms later and it's in an Antpool block I guess, not that that's confirmation it worked?

20 hour old transaction with pool at 30k unconfirmed... of which 23k are 1-2 sat/byte in fees.

Thank you! And all the other guys that really tried to help❤, I guess the only way for me is the wait since i don't really understand that crypto language.
legendary
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July 11, 2019, 05:47:25 AM
#9
Perfect time to test and see if any of the old accelerators still work! I just put your tx through Antpool's (free) accelerator, it must have been over a year since I last used but it still seems to work as before. Accepted the tx but no way of knowing if they really do line it up. We'll know if this confirms later and it's in an Antpool block I guess, not that that's confirmation it worked?

20 hour old transaction with pool at 30k unconfirmed... of which 23k are 1-2 sat/byte in fees.
legendary
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July 11, 2019, 05:34:06 AM
#8
To do that you need to send all of your balance to another address or use the same address if you like but with a very higher transaction fee so that the other transaction with the low fee will be mined at the same time.
Correct. But since the remaining amount is only 0.00005090 BTC, there's not much to work with. It could be "burned" as fee entirely (the value is less than the 1 dollar OP wants to spend on it), but I doubt blockchain.info allows that.
legendary
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July 11, 2019, 05:29:10 AM
#7
Thanks everyone, you guys awesome! So fast replied.
I actually need it as fast as I can get. I tried to check increase the fees at the web but I didn't see the option there. I don't care to pay more, just didn't know before how it works😥
As what mentioned by LoyceV if the other address is also on your blockchain wallet you can do CPFP since they allow spending unconfirmed coins. To do that you need to send all of your balance to another address or use the same address if you like but with a very higher transaction fee so that the other transaction with the low fee will be mined at the same time.  
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