stuff heard at bitcoin2013 - page 3.

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Quote from: erk on May 19, 2013, 09:22:02 PM

Quote from: iikun on May 19, 2013, 09:20:46 PM

Quote from: kaerf on May 19, 2013, 06:22:13 PM

Update:

It does sound like batches 2+3 will be coming shortly. Their SMT machine was held in customs between japan and china, so that explains why they were delayed there.

Quote from: CoinHoarder on May 19, 2013, 09:04:04 PM

I was also there at the conference.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is that Yifu stated they can produce about 50 Avalons a day once their new line is running and calibrated.

Seems strange that they imported their own SMT machine especially & then announce there will be no batch 4. Or maybe they already have the SMT lined up for sale after batch 3 is finished.

Do they make the boards for ASICMINER?

I'd thought they were independent of each other? but I really have no idea..

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Quote from: ElectricMucus on May 19, 2013, 07:18:37 PM

If gen2 avalon comes before BFL ships they're toast.

Well my best guess is that they will have the Next Gen announcement some time in late June.

Then we will see those chips in circulation one way or another by November.

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Quote from: Frizz23 on May 19, 2013, 03:55:02 PM

Quote from: kaerf on May 19, 2013, 01:41:32 PM

... maybe in the next 2 weeks ...

LOL! Josh should get this copyrighted. He uses it so often it's not funny any more.

"maybe in the next 2 weeks" synonymous for "I have no clue" (synonymous for "can I have a quarter please?")

It was good to hear from Yifu with my own ears. The guy is a good guy. Given he has been able to produce and ship a size able amount of ASICs in a much shorter time than any other vendor it is hard not to respect the man.

BFL otoh in my view just did more dog and pony showing at this conference. Their name was not even listed on the map of booths. BitPay's name was only listed down as the booth owner/operator.

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Quote from: kaerf on May 19, 2013, 06:22:13 PM

They are dealing with potential security issues in china. e.g. ngzhang doesn't drive his own car anymore, doesn't use his old cellphone, doesn't live where he used to...

They have physically secured the transportation route between them and the shipper in hopes of preventing damaged avalons (said 6-7 Avalons had broken corners or damage).

I'm guessing he's thought of this before, and it seems unlikely I'll get a straight answer by asking him online.... but what's holding him back from moving?

minternj

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Quote from: reedlaw on May 19, 2013, 09:18:58 PM

Quote from: minternj on May 19, 2013, 09:05:58 PM

Quote from: CoinHoarder on May 19, 2013, 09:00:39 PM

Quote from: minternj on May 19, 2013, 07:56:37 PM

Being that using bitcoins is actually illegal in china, its a valid concern.

Proof?

it's been discussed on other parts of the forum. Also easily searchable on the internet.

http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2009/06/29/china-cracks-down-on-virtual-currency-for-real/

I don't think its enforced much. But hey its china who knows what they can do overnight. People forget its not a democracy.

https://www.btcchina.com/ still seems to be in operation.

Yep, not really enforced. But hey if they wanted to make example out of someone.. i can see why they are trying to be secretive.

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Quote from: iikun on May 19, 2013, 09:20:46 PM

Quote from: kaerf on May 19, 2013, 06:22:13 PM

Update:

It does sound like batches 2+3 will be coming shortly. Their SMT machine was held in customs between japan and china, so that explains why they were delayed there.

Quote from: CoinHoarder on May 19, 2013, 09:04:04 PM

I was also there at the conference.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is that Yifu stated they can produce about 50 Avalons a day once their new line is running and calibrated.

Seems strange that they imported their own SMT machine especially & then announce there will be no batch 4. Or maybe they already have the SMT lined up for sale after batch 3 is finished.

Do they make the boards for ASICMINER?

iikun

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Quote from: kaerf on May 19, 2013, 06:22:13 PM

Update:

It does sound like batches 2+3 will be coming shortly. Their SMT machine was held in customs between japan and china, so that explains why they were delayed there.

Quote from: CoinHoarder on May 19, 2013, 09:04:04 PM

I was also there at the conference.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is that Yifu stated they can produce about 50 Avalons a day once their new line is running and calibrated.

Seems strange that they imported their own SMT machine especially & then announce there will be no batch 4. Or maybe they already have the SMT lined up for sale after batch 3 is finished.

reedlaw

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Quote from: minternj on May 19, 2013, 09:05:58 PM

Quote from: CoinHoarder on May 19, 2013, 09:00:39 PM

Quote from: minternj on May 19, 2013, 07:56:37 PM

Being that using bitcoins is actually illegal in china, its a valid concern.

Proof?

it's been discussed on other parts of the forum. Also easily searchable on the internet.

http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2009/06/29/china-cracks-down-on-virtual-currency-for-real/

I don't think its enforced much. But hey its china who knows what they can do overnight. People forget its not a democracy.

https://www.btcchina.com/ still seems to be in operation.

erk

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Quote from: HTML5 Gordon on May 19, 2013, 03:22:16 PM

Quote from: kaerf on May 19, 2013, 01:41:32 PM

from josh: BFL mini rigs will probably be split into 3 units of 500GH/s. They will start sell 500GH/s units...maybe in the next 2 weeks. Power consumption of the 500GH/s units are currently ~3kW. Trying to get near 1.5kW.s

I'm guessing no indications on when they may have these 500GH/s ready for shipping? I know he said they would start to "sell" them in maybe 2 weeks, but I think everyone would like to know when they would actually be able to ship them.

Probably means they will start pre-orders on their web site. Don't hold your breath, they are going to have a lot of problems getting the power consumption down, they will have to underclock and use more chips etc. which means board redesigns and delays.

The best thing BFL can do to save face is just pump out what they can, like thousands of 5GH/s units and anything else they can build. Apologise to the other orders like mini rig, and get on with fixing it, even if it means getting new wafers designed at a smaller fab size.

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Quote from: CoinHoarder on May 19, 2013, 09:00:39 PM

Quote from: minternj on May 19, 2013, 07:56:37 PM

Being that using bitcoins is actually illegal in china, its a valid concern.

Proof?

it's been discussed on other parts of the forum. Also easily searchable on the internet.

http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2009/06/29/china-cracks-down-on-virtual-currency-for-real/

I don't think its enforced much. But hey its china who knows what they can do overnight. People forget its not a democracy.

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In Cryptocoins I Trust

I was also there at the conference.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is that Yifu stated they can produce about 50 Avalons a day once their new line is running and calibrated.

CoinHoarder

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In Cryptocoins I Trust

Quote from: minternj on May 19, 2013, 07:56:37 PM

Being that using bitcoins is actually illegal in china, its a valid concern.

Proof?

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The revolution will be monetized!

Quote from: Benson Samuel on May 19, 2013, 01:42:43 PM

...
Any idea if Mark Karples was there?
...

No Mark is not here. But I think Jed is.

minternj

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Being that using bitcoins is actually illegal in china, its a valid concern.

tiananmenqian

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I remember yinfu April 15 began to say SMT formed after two weeks
May 1 , said SMT already in place
Now that the SMT one week
I despair

dan99

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interesting updates

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Quote from: ElectricMucus on May 19, 2013, 07:18:37 PM

If gen2 avalon comes before BFL ships they're toast.

I wonder if they will make Gen2 modules for their Avalon chassis (as a references spec)... or they are just going to produce raw gen2 chips?

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Quote from: dogie on May 19, 2013, 07:15:37 PM

Quote from: Raize on May 19, 2013, 07:05:02 PM

Quote from: kaerf on May 19, 2013, 06:22:13 PM

They are dealing with potential security issues in china. e.g. ngzhang doesn't drive his own car anymore, doesn't use his old cellphone, doesn't live where he used to...

That's a little... uh... disturbing...

Sometimes its hard for us to remember because of the results they get, but China still isn't a westernised country in regards to accountability. The State runs the show, don't like it? Have some prison LOLpwned.

I think the concern is with rabid ppl rather than the govt...but that's just my guess.

Bowjob

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Oh.. I thought the SMT line was online already. Basically, we'll get ours in June?

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If gen2 avalon comes before BFL ships they're toast.

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