Submarine missing ^Titanic disaster 2023

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Quote from: swogerino on June 27, 2023, 05:38:52 AM

I of course am extremely sorry for any loss of life but I was a bit surprised and I did not know what reaction to have at this saying being all over social media from a lot of religious people of many different religions and it made me think a lot,it put me truly in deep thinking and I kinda had a spark in my heart as how lucky we are to be still alive.

"The events happening with the billionaires and submarine lately is a powerful reminder to all of us that if God has decreed for you that you will die in the end of the ocean you will rent a submarine to arrive in time"

This phrase made truly think deeply as I said and I become numb every time I read it for a few moments.

I frankly don't think it's about being a billionaire. It's a curiosity, similar to the story where 12 boys trapped in a Thai cave. It's a story that sparks curiosity and interest the readers/viewers.
hundreds refugees drowning and victims of war drowning is just too sad and out of our spectrum what we can understand and feel.

That's why press loves to cover personal tragedies. Humans want to connect but also they want to avoid picturing something totally horrifying out of their emphatic capability. That's why people wants to read about war or tragedies from point of personal experiences. When enough people get killed, you don't really get that personal experience covering anything.

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I of course am extremely sorry for any loss of life but I was a bit surprised and I did not know what reaction to have at this saying being all over social media from a lot of religious people of many different religions and it made me think a lot,it put me truly in deep thinking and I kinda had a spark in my heart as how lucky we are to be still alive.

"The events happening with the billionaires and submarine lately is a powerful reminder to all of us that if God has decreed for you that you will die in the end of the ocean you will rent a submarine to arrive in time"

This phrase made truly think deeply as I said and I become numb every time I read it for a few moments.

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Quote from: Marykeller on June 26, 2023, 04:36:00 AM

At times, having too much money can be intoxicating, and being too curious can be fatal. I don't see why they would dig that deep to find something that isn't looking for them and even spend a significant amount of money doing it.

Would they have believed it if someone had informed them that the adventure they were about to go on would result in the end of their existence on Earth? Most people end up with this outcome when they are eager to learn and discover everything.

Some of them engage in expensive tourism and pay heavily for these explorations. But I don't blame them so much because they are explorers and to explore is a risky venture that can cost loss of life. I don't know the intentions of the passengers of the ill-fated OceanGate's Titan submersible for embarking on such a risky and expensive expedition. But I know that explorers discover new things and ways of doing things. There was a time when experiments on flying planes were seen as a needless risky adventures but today everybody is enjoying the services of airplanes. I know many explorers died in River Niger because they want to discover new lands in Africa. We are going to an era when man will be able to have safe and less expensive trips underwater and in space. People should be encouraged to explore the world but it should be done in a relatively safe manner. Companies should abide by the safety rules of regulators.

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Both of them did not escape the tragedies in Atlantic. I think this ocean is the most expensive graveyard on Earth, since it took billionaire's life. Anyway, are you going to risk your life in a submersible ship without further research? Imagine a ship that is controllable by a PSP remote control and the worst it was a bluetooth device. You are paying 250K usd for a single trip with lots of risk, a bad decision for the billionaires.

Here is the picture of their navigation devise.

And did you know that Mr. Beast declined to join in this tragedic trip?

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YouTube’s richest creator MrBeast says he declined a spot on the doomed Titanic sub dive: ‘Kind of scary that I could have been on it’

I think he noticed the security and safety of the said ship.

Conclusion: They underestimated the depth and pressure of the ocean. They did not go throughout a standard operation. They wasted life, an expensive journey to death. Rest in peace billionaires. And let us also give peace to the souls that are now resting in a disastrous event in ocean.

Article for Mr. Beast: https://www.google.com/amp/s/fortune.com/2023/06/26/mrbeast-youtuber-declined-spot-titanic-titan-sub-implosion-oceangate-jimmy-donaldson/amp/

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The sad thing is the amount of money that was wasted to get a ticket! C'mon! $250k will go a long way to feed lots of displaced kids in Sudan and I'm sure If they wanted to go down in history as having achieved something great, that would have been a perfect medium but alas, greed got the better of them.

I agree with the notion of the world being heartless and hypocritical because of the manner at which much grief is felt over the loss of billionaires who carelessly traded their lives for a seemingly lost cause over the case of poor individuals who lose their lives on a daily trying to survive.

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Quote from: BADecker on June 24, 2023, 01:03:38 PM

That is mankind. Always trying to conquer the world or some aspect of it. Sometimes doing it carelessly.

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It cannot be stopped. I did see some footage of it with those first explorers, I think it was two or three groups that got to the sub first. The first group that I've seen did dive for a few meters but discontinued for some others. If someone is interested with that video, I just saw that on Facebook and likely it's also in YouTube. I just forgot the name of that content creator. While many keeps on doing things for their own sake and glory, this is a tragic way of exploring and getting into adventure not knowing what you'll be ending up.

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Humanity indeed is heading towards a wrong direction in the sense that what concerns the rich is a business of the rich and is always laudable..

It has been 100yrs now the world witnessed the "Titanic " disaster instead of extracting the damaged ship for the depths of the sea rather those at the top (government/elites) saw an economic opportunity in it by turning the scene of the incident into a tourist center.
You will agree with me that the said missing billionaires aren't the first to go on such tour but no one mentioned the name of the other tourists who must have gone missing before that of the billionaires because they didn't have a fat bank account no one brought their disappearance to the world but now it concerns the rich they couldn't hind it.

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At times, having too much money can be intoxicating, and being too curious can be fatal. I don't see why they would dig that deep to find something that isn't looking for them and even spend a significant amount of money doing it.

Would they have believed it if someone had informed them that the adventure they were about to go on would result in the end of their existence on Earth? Most people end up with this outcome when they are eager to learn and discover everything.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on June 25, 2023, 01:30:25 PM

From what I read, even prior that accident there was many red flags and security concerns on this ship and even some incidents before. But Titan operated in international waters and didn't had to follow any regulations. Otherwise, I doubt that someone would allowed to make this expedition.
But I think that all members of crew understood about risks and still decided to buy one way ticket for $250k. If to look for something positive, at least they didn't suffered as everything happened so fast that they didn't felt anything. Better than waiting until oxygen will run out..

The passengers were well aware of the risk involved in engaging in the exploration. It was reported that on the first page of the contract of exploration, death was mentioned three times. And the company will not be held liable in any case of accident, injury, or death. I had a water accident where I was drowning until I was luckily rescued, hence I know little about dying slowly. It is one of the most painful death and I have always wished to die swiftly. So it was a piece of relieving news to know that they died fast. May their souls rest in peace.

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Agree with some comments above about world reaction. People are such hypocrites - few billionaires died, yes, it's tragedy, but not something why whole world should mourn. While few weeks ago in Greece waters refugee ship sank, almost 80 people lost their lifes, but nobody gives a fuck about it.

Millions of dollars were spent to search for this submarine because the passengers were rich and from influential nations. But Greek officials acted without sympathy when the overloaded ship carrying these immigrants was in distress. No effort was made to rescue them until the ship began to sink and the majority of the occupants are either missing or dead. The world will never treat everybody equally. People from poor nations will continue to suffer discrimination.

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Quote from: Bananington on June 25, 2023, 04:08:40 PM

Quote from: LTU_btc on June 25, 2023, 01:30:25 PM

But I think that all members of crew understood about risks and still decided to buy one way ticket for $250k.

A billionaires death! A death worth $250k. Poor men cannot die this death because poor people do not take this kind of unnecessary risk that rich people take. They knew the risk but did not know it was going to end in death else why will they want to end their life's unnecessarily, their sweet life filled with many financial benefits.

Their death will become a lesson, so other rich people will learn to act more cautiously with their life.

If I had that much money, at the very least I would have hired an engineer so he could have explained to me the basics on pressure and how much of it is down there in the resting place of the Titanic.

I think that this was one of those cases when ignorance causes the death of those who are not educated enough, if I was going to design a submarine I would use a security factor of no less than 5. On the other hand, these people seemed not even to know what the consequences were going to be if their little experiment went wrong, as it did.

Anyways, Rest in peace

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Quote from: LTU_btc on June 25, 2023, 01:30:25 PM

But I think that all members of crew understood about risks and still decided to buy one way ticket for $250k.

A billionaires death! A death worth $250k. Poor men cannot die this death because poor people do not take this kind of unnecessary risk that rich people take. They knew the risk but did not know it was going to end in death else why will they want to end their life's unnecessarily, their sweet life filled with many financial benefits.

Their death will become a lesson, so other rich people will learn to act more cautiously with their life.

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From what I read, even prior that accident there was many red flags and security concerns on this ship and even some incidents before. But Titan operated in international waters and didn't had to follow any regulations. Otherwise, I doubt that someone would allowed to make this expedition.
But I think that all members of crew understood about risks and still decided to buy one way ticket for $250k. If to look for something positive, at least they didn't suffered as everything happened so fast that they didn't felt anything. Better than waiting until oxygen will run out.
Agree with some comments above about world reaction. People are such hypocrites - few billionaires died, yes, it's tragedy, but not something why whole world should mourn. While few weeks ago in Greece waters refugee ship sank, almost 80 people lost their lifes, but nobody gives a fuck about it.

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Quote from: JeromeTash on June 24, 2023, 04:36:19 PM

Apparently there was some chap who had gone for the bottom ocean "tour" for more than 30 times if i recall well. Did he use the same vessel to carry out such expeditions or there were other, different, missions?

There are a number of vessels that are properly certified to operate at such depths, and by a curious coincidence none of those have ever imploded or suffered any other kind of fatal accident while exploring the Titanic wreck.

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Quote from: Riginac111 on June 23, 2023, 08:41:13 AM

I have asked this question before, the important of seeing wreck of titanic, does it have any advantages to the group of people who lost their live because of wreckage of titanic. If it's only seeing the wreck of Titanic we have seen it severally on a movie I don't know why we should waste such amount of money for hiring such submarine that take their lives

It's called Adventures. As silly as it might sound to you, it's what they want and enjoy. If people had a way to take a spaceship and head to the moo for a vacation they would. People said around the world in those days and discovered places. Whatever their reason for wanting to see the Titanic wreckage is their business. That is why I am indifferent about their death. I know it may be an insensitive thing to say but that's just how I feel. People die all the time from doing what can actually save lives.
These guys are a bunch of billionaires that are just looking for some fun, so if the fun didn't turn out great no one is to be blamed or held responsible for that.

I also love going on adventures for fun, so if one day in the future I decide to take a fun trip to the moon (don't know how possible that would be in the near future) and things go south, it's on me.

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Quote from: mindrust on June 23, 2023, 04:05:40 AM

A few billionaires died. Nobody should give a fuck but they do... Why? Because people are retards.

There are more important shit in life.

Whoever died there can go fuck himself.

Never have I ever seen a tragedy that some many people didn't give a fuck like the Titan Submarine disaster Grin

I have seen so many memes about this tragedy on Reddit and twitter. I guess it's an eye-opener to other billionaire assholes out there.

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Apparently there was some chap who had gone for the bottom ocean "tour" for more than 30 times if i recall well. Did he use the same vessel to carry out such expeditions or there were other, different, missions?

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It’s a real tragedy, lives lost needlessly in a vanity project. May they all rest in peace, I especially for sad for the loss of the young 19 year old boy, such a waste of life. I think people need to hold more respect for the ocean & Mother Nature, some places are just better left alone. We were not born on water, we should keep out, especially with projects like this which are far too risky.

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Quote from: o48o on June 23, 2023, 11:36:22 AM

So it's safe to say the man didn't know what he was doing in the first place.

He had an idea, but not a good idea, maybe his idea was mostly based on assumptions and not fact checking because without assuming that the walls of the submarine were strong enough for the kind of pressure, with some test and research, they would have been able to find out and make structural adjustments or replacement of materials used. I do not think the submarine was built in a hurry, they were just in a hurry to try it out after taking time to build it. If some more safety test and research were conducted, this would have been avoided.

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Quote from: mindrust on June 23, 2023, 04:05:40 AM

A few billionaires died. Nobody should give a fuck but they do... Why? Because people are retards.

There are more important shit in life.

Whoever died there can go fuck himself.

First, no one has the right to hold anyone accountable for what they do with their own money. These billionaires practiced a hobby of their own choosing and with their money, and they did not force anyone to follow them. From a moral point of view, no one can blame them just because he sees that hobby as trivial, or that there is something more important than it, according to his point of view. And if governments were organizing those dangerous journeys, perhaps they should be prosecuted.

Secondly, about paying attention to the causes of the death of that adventurous team. I think it is necessary to do so for two main reasons: The first reason is criminal in order to prove that the accident was not premeditated, which is what research must prove. The second reason is scientific because it is important to study the reasons that led to the submarine explosion and to avoid mistakes later.

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