Subriel Matias vs. S. Ergashev (IBF jr. welterweight title) Nov. 4: Las Vegas - page 2.

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Quote from: Kemarit on October 13, 2023, 10:35:49 PM

And being under another great fight in Benavidez vs Andrade, the exposure will really bring them closer to boxing fans.

It's a smart move by the promoters. These fighters aren't very popular, so they might have some difficulty marketing the fight. However, since it's now the undercard of a big event, it's almost guaranteed that this will be the final date, and the promoters won't have to worry about whether people will buy the PPV or attend the venue. In the same division as Matias, there are other champions who are more popular; they could easily set their fight as the main event. This one just doesn't seem like a go-to choice.

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^^ Yes it's a good move indeed. Of course they wanted to be the main card as this is a title fight. But if there are no fans that are going to watch in PPV or even in live gates, then they won't make any money for their promoter and even if one of them declared to be a champion, we are still not going to be familiar with them.

But if they will go like in the undercard in the Andrade against Benavidez they are going to be benefit more and if they produce a exciting fight, for sure those who watch them live and in the PPV will remember their names. And then one day they can hold themselves and have their own card them. So it's a win-win situation for them and for their promoters in putting them in the undercard first.

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It looks like this fight is going to be moved on November 25 at it will be in the undercard of Benavidez vs Andrade.

https://twitter.com/MikeCoppinger/status/1712893339123499448

I think it's good though, at least they will have the exposure as a undercard or co-main event. Fans will surely see how this this fighters are made are. I mean we really don't know about them to be honest, but from the looks of it, they could be the potential star of boxing.

And being under another great fight in Benavidez vs Andrade, the exposure will really bring them closer to boxing fans.

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Quote from: aioc on October 07, 2023, 12:30:28 PM

Quote from: stadus on October 07, 2023, 06:12:41 AM

I understand why Matias is the favorite; being the champion, he should gain respect from sportsbooks. But can his 100% win rate continue by defeating the challenger?

Based on my comparison of their style Ergashev has the edge, for me, he is fast with good ring movement but it's still 50/50 his being a champion is not a guarantee that Matias has the edge he could be lucky, and beat Ergashev it depends on who can hit first, both fighters looks even on paper Matias is good because of his 100% knock out rate but it will always go down on who he beat.
It's a very interesting match-up whenever two fighters with good records face in the ring I just hope they will live up to our expectations.

That's your take, buddy, and you should totally stick with it. Honestly, nobody really knows who's gonna come out on top in this fight. Those bookies? They're just throwing odds out there based on what most folks are thinking. And right now, most folks seem to think Matias is the one to bet on. I mean, the guy's got a solid track record, plus he's the current champ in this division.

You're on point when you say it might all come down to who lands the first punch, especially with their knack for knocking people out. One solid hit could seriously mess up the other fighter and spell the end via knockout. So, let's just sit back and see how this showdown unfolds.

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Quote from: stadus on October 07, 2023, 06:12:41 AM

I understand why Matias is the favorite; being the champion, he should gain respect from sportsbooks. But can his 100% win rate continue by defeating the challenger?

Based on my comparison of their style Ergashev has the edge, for me, he is fast with good ring movement but it's still 50/50 his being a champion is not a guarantee that Matias has the edge he could be lucky, and beat Ergashev it depends on who can hit first, both fighters looks even on paper Matias is good because of his 100% knock out rate but it will always go down on who he beat.
It's a very interesting match-up whenever two fighters with good records face in the ring I just hope they will live up to our expectations.

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Quote from: Jating on October 07, 2023, 04:58:44 AM

So I guess I will have to wait first for the official odds and see who the bookmakers are going to favor here. Not that I don't trust those boxing fans here, it's that I wanted to weigh everything first before making my vote.

Maybe this would give you an idea about the betting odds.

Quote from: Sanitough on October 05, 2023, 08:13:35 AM

From this website, (https://smarkets.com/event/43485573/sport/boxing/international-matchups/2023/11/04/03-00/subriel-matias-vs-shohjahon-ergashev), here's the betting odds

Subriel Matias 1.29
Shohjahon Ergashev 3.00

As you can see, Matias is the heavy favorite. So, if posters here think that Ergashev would win, at least the majority of them should consider betting on Ergashev with odds that are very tempting. I understand why Matias is the favorite; being the champion, he should gain respect from sportsbooks. But can his 100% win rate continue by defeating the challenger?

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Quote from: Japinat on October 07, 2023, 02:20:27 AM

I was kinda surprised by the poll results. It looks like more folks around here are rooting for Ergashev over Matias. It goes to show that opinions really count in games like this because when you see a bunch of people supporting the challenger, it hints that the challenger might actually have a shot at winning. And I'm saying 'upset,' not because Ergashev is the challenger (in case he wins), but because of those betting odds that heavily favor Matias.

Might be but if you look at the poll, it was just 3 members who have voted: so it's 2:1 for the Ergashev.

The real problem here is that no one really knows this fighter so it's hard to bet unless we can go back and watch their previous fights in Youtube (if available), and see who is the bigger fighter.

So I guess I will have to wait first for the official odds and see who the bookmakers are going to favor here. Not that I don't trust those boxing fans here, it's that I wanted to weigh everything first before making my vote.

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I was kinda surprised by the poll results. It looks like more folks around here are rooting for Ergashev over Matias. It goes to show that opinions really count in games like this because when you see a bunch of people supporting the challenger, it hints that the challenger might actually have a shot at winning. And I'm saying 'upset,' not because Ergashev is the challenger (in case he wins), but because of those betting odds that heavily favor Matias.

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Quote from: btc_angela on October 06, 2023, 10:40:29 AM

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So very hard to say if they can survived or will be just a one hit champion because of the other great boxers that is in this weight class.

That's true, the other champions would likely challenge the winner of this fight. Currently, Matias is the champion, but I haven't heard from his camp regarding whether he'd like to challenge his fellow champions. There doesn't seem to be much hype in this weight class, I guess.

I'll watch this fight since I'm not very familiar with the champion and his opponent, but the records show that both are very dangerous fighters. Maybe a fighter can easily become popular if they love to create drama and controversies, like what Teo is doing. Well, he had his first surge in popularity when he defeated Loma, but after that, if my memory serves me right, he lost to George Kambosos Jr., and he didn't even accept the defeat.

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Quote from: Natalim on October 05, 2023, 08:00:46 AM

I would like to know if there's one among them who will become an undisputed champion. With what has happened in other divisions, we get the feeling of watching a unification battle, especially an undisputed fight.

Why not, the Junior Welterweight is one division loaded with thrash talkers champions, Romero, Prograis, and Teofimo should fight each other to unite the division, it will generate a lot of interest if these three including the winner of Subriel Matias vs. S. Ergashev match all of them deserves to be champion and unification on all these champions will be their legacy fight, but of course their respective promoters should have a good talk for these fighters to agree for a unification matches.
I'm sure all of these champions will agree.
Ryan Garcia is also interested in this division, so it's going to be interesting to watch for the boxing aficionados.

Right, the last unified champion here is Josh Taylor, and he beat Prograis and Ramirez if I'm not mistaken. But then have to vacate some belt and then defend it against Jack Catterall who I believed he lost that fight but was awarded as a winner. But that is the first sign that Josh could have been slipping. And then he defended his belt against Teo Lopez in which he was really exposed and he said after wards that he will be going up in weight as he can't no longer make the 140 lbs limit. And then there is Haney as well moving up and then Ryan Garcia. So this is a tough division for this two boxers and the winner will have to go and battle out the rest of the champions. So very hard to say if they can survived or will be just a one hit champion because of the other great boxers that is in this weight class.

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Records comparison;

Subriel Matias 19 wins all in KO (https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/749669)
Shohjahon Ergashev 23 wins, 20 coming from KO (https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/742016)

Both fighters have impressive records but not impressive resumes, there's no name on either fighter's resume that we consider a tough name, and it seems they are both fighting to have each other on their resumes.
It's going to be an interesting fight because not only is it a title fight but more so on their knockout percentage, it's going to be on who gets the best punch land and who has a better defense and strong chin.

This is gonna be a real slugfest, with both fighters packing some serious KO power. I'm expecting this to be hella entertaining, and we'll see if Ergashev, as the challenger with more ring time, can outwit the champ. It's gonna be lit!

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I am more impressed with Ergashev than Matias he is a southpaw who knows how to move out and move in and with a good combination so he is my favorite here but still an even match because both fighters posses power in both hands.

The champion has a 100% KO rate based on their record. If we haven't seen their fights yet, that 100% seems lit. But, you know, we gotta consider our own vibes, and we always size up the opponent's game. Records alone ain't the move when it comes to predicting the winning fighter.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on October 04, 2023, 10:17:59 PM

Records comparison;

Subriel Matias 19 wins all in KO (https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/749669)
Shohjahon Ergashev 23 wins, 20 coming from KO (https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/742016)

Both fighters have impressive records but not impressive resumes, there's no name on either fighter's resume that we consider a tough name, and it seems they are both fighting to have each other on their resumes.
It's going to be an interesting fight because not only is it a title fight but more so on their knockout percentage, it's going to be on who gets the best punch land and who has a better defense and strong chin.
I am more impressed with Ergashev than Matias he is a southpaw who knows how to move out and move in and with a good combination so he is my favorite here but still an even match because both fighters posses power in both hands.

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Quote from: Natalim on October 05, 2023, 08:00:46 AM

I would like to know if there's one among them who will become an undisputed champion. With what has happened in other divisions, we get the feeling of watching a unification battle, especially an undisputed fight.

Why not, the Junior Welterweight is one division loaded with thrash talkers champions, Romero, Prograis, and Teofimo should fight each other to unite the division, it will generate a lot of interest if these three including the winner of Subriel Matias vs. S. Ergashev match all of them deserves to be champion and unification on all these champions will be their legacy fight, but of course their respective promoters should have a good talk for these fighters to agree for a unification matches.
I'm sure all of these champions will agree.
Ryan Garcia is also interested in this division, so it's going to be interesting to watch for the boxing aficionados.

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Quote from: coin-investor on October 05, 2023, 06:28:13 AM

Whoever wins in this match-up will become the next most promising boxer, both fighters are tough, with good records I'm not looking at the record because you can come out with 20 wins, and with all of it coming from knock out if all you fought are patsies, based on what I saw on their highlights Ergashev is a better fighter quick with good lateral movement and can knock out his opponent with one punch, reminds me of Beterbiev this is a good match up.
I expect an early knockout, as both fighters possess an explosive punch, I favor Ergashev to win by knockout and steal the crown from Matias.

If you bet money on Ergashev, you will get good odds, as he is a heavy underdog, which is expected as he is the challenger here.

From this website, (https://smarkets.com/event/43485573/sport/boxing/international-matchups/2023/11/04/03-00/subriel-matias-vs-shohjahon-ergashev), here's the betting odds

Subriel Matias 1.29
Shohjahon Ergashev 3.00

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Quote from: coin-investor on October 05, 2023, 06:28:13 AM

Whoever wins in this match-up will become the next most promising boxer, both fighters are tough, with good records I'm not looking at the record because you can come out with 20 wins, and with all of it coming from knock out if all you fought are patsies, based on what I saw on their highlights Ergashev is a better fighter quick with good lateral movement and can knock out his opponent with one punch, reminds me of Beterbiev this is a good match up.
I expect an early knockout, as both fighters possess an explosive punch, I favor Ergashev to win by knockout and steal the crown from Matias.

It's a good challenge for Matias, as he is currently the champion. If he doesn't deserve to be the champion, then Ergashev will replace him. This division has four champions, which makes it very exciting to follow. Personally, I would like to know if there's one among them who will become an undisputed champion. With what has happened in other divisions, we get the feeling of watching a unification battle, especially an undisputed fight.

So, just follow your instincts. Champions are not meant to stay forever, and as long as the competition is fierce, there will always be others who can replace them, as it's the battle of the best.

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Whoever wins in this match-up will become the next most promising boxer, both fighters are tough, with good records I'm not looking at the record because you can come out with 20 wins, and with all of it coming from knock out if all you fought are patsies, based on what I saw on their highlights Ergashev is a better fighter quick with good lateral movement and can knock out his opponent with one punch, reminds me of Beterbiev this is a good match up.
I expect an early knockout, as both fighters possess an explosive punch, I favor Ergashev to win by knockout and steal the crown from Matias.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on October 05, 2023, 04:01:57 AM

I can't determine the ranking of the champions, but among the four, I think Matias is the least popular. Anyway, it's still a great fight since it's a championship fight. Hopefully, next time, we will see a unification fight.

I have seen all the other Jr. welterweight champion fights but not Subriel Matias I have to check Youtube to check his highlights and how he fought, he is a decent fighter with good power but not really sleek movers like the three other champions he has not fought fighters that are popular compared to what these three other champions have fought.
A fighter with all his fights coming from knockouts deserves respect but this Shohjahon Ergashev is something else I like his movement I also checked his highlights and he has shown more power with his punches he can knock opponents with one punch.

This is going to be a very good fight It is always good to see two undefeated fighters fighting to retain their 0 and their reputation.

I guess there is pride between the two, they are both undefeated and with the belt on the line, it's good to see who will retain his 0 and won the belt and who will get his first lost here.

And just like the rest, no offense to these two boxers, but they are unknown to even some of the boxing fans here. But with the fight on the horizon, maybe some of us here will do their homework and see who is the tougher of the two and predicts who is the champion.

But the fight that we are talking at 140 lbs is Regis Prograis vs Devin Haney.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on October 05, 2023, 04:01:57 AM

I can't determine the ranking of the champions, but among the four, I think Matias is the least popular. Anyway, it's still a great fight since it's a championship fight. Hopefully, next time, we will see a unification fight.

I have seen all the other Jr. welterweight champion fights but not Subriel Matias I have to check Youtube to check his highlights and how he fought, he is a decent fighter with good power but not really sleek movers like the three other champions he has not fought fighters that are popular compared to what these three other champions have fought.
A fighter with all his fights coming from knockouts deserves respect but this Shohjahon Ergashev is something else I like his movement I also checked his highlights and he has shown more power with his punches he can knock opponents with one punch.

This is going to be a very good fight It is always good to see two undefeated fighters fighting to retain their 0 and their reputation.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on October 05, 2023, 04:01:57 AM

I'm not so familiar with the boxer, but Jr. Welterweight or Super Lightweight is a division where we have other champions with popular names.

WBC - Regis Prograis
WBA - Rolando Romero
WBO - Teofimo Lopez

I can't determine the ranking of the champions, but among the four, I think Matias is the least popular. Anyway, it's still a great fight since it's a championship fight. Hopefully, next time, we will see a unification fight.

I agree, since Josh Taylor vacated all the belts here and then lost it to Teo Lopez, it open ups this division. But I understand that the names are not familiar to us because it's from a lesser governing body in boxing which is the IBF. Nevertheless it's a good opportunity for this two to be in the limelight and became a champion, someone has to start from something and hopefully whoever wins this fight will have to cross and unify the belts with other champions so that we can see how good this two are, pitting against the like of Teo Lopez, which upset Josh Taylor and started to get back his name again after his 135 lbs conquest. So Jr. Welterweight is going to be lively, also with Regis Prograis fighting the 135 lbs unified champion in Devin Haney.

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I'm not so familiar with the boxer, but Jr. Welterweight or Super Lightweight is a division where we have other champions with popular names.

WBC - Regis Prograis
WBA - Rolando Romero
WBO - Teofimo Lopez

I can't determine the ranking of the champions, but among the four, I think Matias is the least popular. Anyway, it's still a great fight since it's a championship fight. Hopefully, next time, we will see a unification fight.

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