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Topic: Sudden new largest bitcoin address as of 10/25 - page 2. (Read 12543 times)

legendary
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Why bother?  Isn't the fact that the all mighty FBI had to follow bitcoin protocol rules and transfer the coins to their own wallet statement enough?

Not any more of a statement than them having to generate x86 code if they want to run it on most computers out there.
legendary
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Why bother?  Isn't the fact that the all mighty FBI had to follow bitcoin protocol rules and transfer the coins to their own wallet statement enough?
hero member
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How about releasing a new fork of bitcoin marking that address as invalid? Smiley Of course it should be implemented as silently as possible, so no word gets out to cops. It would be a fun "politicalmove" an "exertion of power"

Of course it breaks the whole system, but once, just for this case?  Wink
legendary
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Sold how?  To whom?  Which exchange and at what rate?
legendary
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Guess: DPR will face a difficult trial. Most likely, it will take at least 12 months to get a verdict, assuming he's not gonna plea guilty.
Fact: FBI HAS some +170k coins  . Valued at about 30 mil USD, they cannot sell them on eBay/MtGox/Bitcoinica. They can keep them (they can invoke some reasons for that) or auction them AFTER the trial. The problem is, while BTC rises in value, the US Govt gets a fuckin' ton of BTC (money is not important). But power it is.

The Dutch police seized 56 Bitcoins this Monday from some hackers who had phished bank account details and had converted the money they stole into Bitcoin. The police immediately sold the Bitcoins and transferred the received euro's to their own account. Can't the FBI do that as well? Or do they have to keep hanging on to them until the trial ends. What if DPR is acquited after let's say 5 years and he would receive his money back. Do they then give him the USD value of the Bitcoins today or the Bitcoins themselves. I guess this is new legal territory.


I'm no lawyer, but I would think they'd have to hold on to the bitcoins through the trial.  If they confiscated, say, a Shelby GT500 from you and you got off, they'd have to give you the car back, right...  not the cash?
hero member
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Guess: DPR will face a difficult trial. Most likely, it will take at least 12 months to get a verdict, assuming he's not gonna plea guilty.
Fact: FBI HAS some +170k coins  . Valued at about 30 mil USD, they cannot sell them on eBay/MtGox/Bitcoinica. They can keep them (they can invoke some reasons for that) or auction them AFTER the trial. The problem is, while BTC rises in value, the US Govt gets a fuckin' ton of BTC (money is not important). But power it is.

The Dutch police seized 56 Bitcoins this Monday from some hackers who had phished bank account details and had converted the money they stole into Bitcoin. The police immediately sold the Bitcoins and transferred the received euro's to their own account. Can't the FBI do that as well? Or do they have to keep hanging on to them until the trial ends. What if DPR is acquited after let's say 5 years and he would receive his money back. Do they then give him the USD value of the Bitcoins today or the Bitcoins themselves. I guess this is new legal territory.
newbie
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So what happens if the Feds sell the Bitcoins to J.P. Morgan and they used them for manipulating the Bitcoin markets just like they manipulate the gold and silver markets.

Could this spell the end of Bitcoin?


Just the end of the beginning.

I don't usually write in speculation forum, but here's what I have to say.

Guess: DPR will face a difficult trial. Most likely, it will take at least 12 months to get a verdict, assuming he's not gonna plea guilty.
Fact: FBI HAS some +170k coins  . Valued at about 30 mil USD, they cannot sell them on eBay/MtGox/Bitcoinica. They can keep them (they can invoke some reasons for that) or auction them AFTER the trial. The problem is, while BTC rises in value, the US Govt gets a fuckin' ton of BTC (money is not important). But power it is.

Meanwhile little boys and girls, bears, bulls, whales, manipulators, speculators and ever single living person knowing about bitcoin were busy "making profit", big guys had a solid agenda. Don't be fooled even for one second that they were chasing SilkRoad, to shut it down because it sold drugs and guns. No. They were chasing down a movement. They were chasing bitcoin. Even if they didn't confiscate any coins, they would still be winners because they shut down the first, biggest illegal bitcoin marketplace. Cum laudae.

So, what can be done about this? One hard thing. Take out your coins from exchanges, into your wallets, make stashes, unite, fight. Create 100 silkroads. 1000 exchanges. 10,000 services and business.






legendary
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So what happens if the Feds sell the Bitcoins to J.P. Morgan and they used them for manipulating the Bitcoin markets just like they manipulate the gold and silver markets.

Could this spell the end of Bitcoin?


Just the end of the beginning.
hero member
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So what happens if the Feds sell the Bitcoins to J.P. Morgan and they used them for manipulating the Bitcoin markets just like they manipulate the gold and silver markets?

Could this spell the end of Bitcoin?
full member
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Please educate a noob.  How does the address get labeled "DPR Seized Coins"?  How is consensus reached out something like that, or is that strictly something blockchain.info adds?

a bitcoin address can be voluntarily tagged with a name and link by supplying a website that contains the address.

https://blockchain.info/tags

Will

Ok, thanks.  So can someone just override that or did blockchain.info "verify" it via the link (and basically say that, yes, "DPR Seized Coins" is basically accurate)?

it's only labeled on the blockchain.info website, the label has nothing to do with the bitcoin protocol
legendary
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Please educate a noob.  How does the address get labeled "DPR Seized Coins"?  How is consensus reached out something like that, or is that strictly something blockchain.info adds?

a bitcoin address can be voluntarily tagged with a name and link by supplying a website that contains the address.

https://blockchain.info/tags

Will

Ok, thanks.  So can someone just override that or did blockchain.info "verify" it via the link (and basically say that, yes, "DPR Seized Coins" is basically accurate)?
hero member
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Please educate a noob.  How does the address get labeled "DPR Seized Coins"?  How is consensus reached out something like that, or is that strictly something blockchain.info adds?

a bitcoin address can be voluntarily tagged with a name and link by supplying a website that contains the address.

https://blockchain.info/tags

Will
legendary
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Please educate a noob.  How does the address get labeled "DPR Seized Coins"?  How is consensus reached out something like that, or is that strictly something blockchain.info adds?
hero member
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FBI didn't even pay fees on any of their transactions...

Will
legendary
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guess its worth the shot to try to mine the private key of this address

if God is on your side...

I think you might be too late



Mine to spend the coins...
hero member
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guess its worth the shot to try to mine the private key of this address

if God is on your side...

I think you might be too late

legendary
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Just for clarity, they are NOT the FBI's bitcoins now.   Like all seized assets, IF the accused is convicted (that takes some time although less time if he has no money and is going to use a PD) then the FBI will liquidate these seized assets.   Cash, they keep.   Everything else gets auctioned off.   It is likely these BTC wallet(s) will be auctioned IF a conviction is achieved.
Is FBI FinCEN compliant? Tongue
I thought FinCEN said Bitcoin is money, US regulators have to get their shit together!...

FBI is exempt from money transmitter regulations
I thought FinCEN was on top of MIB, who are on top of NSA, which is on top of FBI/CIA... Smiley

http://www.fincen.gov/financial_institutions/msb/definitions/exceptions.html

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Exceptions - Certain MSBs are not required to register:

Solely an agent. - A person that is an MSB solely because that person serves as an agent of another MSB is not required to register. However, a person that is an MSB both because it engages in MSB activities on its own behalf and as an agent of another MSB, must register.

Stored value. - A person that is an MSB solely as an issuer, seller, or redeemer of stored value is not required to register. However, a person that is an MSB as an issuer, seller, or redeemer of stored value and engages in MSB activities (of a nature and value that cause the person to be an MSB on a basis other than stored value) must register.

U.S. Postal Service.

Government Agencies. Agencies of the United States, of any State, or of any political subdivision of any State.
I know mate, I am just joking because there was a guy from Free Banking site who was spreading FUD about the power of FinCEN on Bitcoin.
I deleted and blocked him from my Facebook page - he was the one that made an interview in a radio show, maybe 'Let's Talk Bitcoin', not sure...

If you joke requires such a lengthy explanation, involving experiences you had on different web site, it's probably not a good joke Tongue.
sr. member
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guess its worth the shot to try to mine the private key of this address

if God is on your side...
legendary
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Just for clarity, they are NOT the FBI's bitcoins now.   Like all seized assets, IF the accused is convicted (that takes some time although less time if he has no money and is going to use a PD) then the FBI will liquidate these seized assets.   Cash, they keep.   Everything else gets auctioned off.   It is likely these BTC wallet(s) will be auctioned IF a conviction is achieved.
Is FBI FinCEN compliant? Tongue
I thought FinCEN said Bitcoin is money, US regulators have to get their shit together!...

FBI is exempt from money transmitter regulations
I thought FinCEN was on top of MIB, who are on top of NSA, which is on top of FBI/CIA... Smiley

http://www.fincen.gov/financial_institutions/msb/definitions/exceptions.html

Quote
Exceptions - Certain MSBs are not required to register:

Solely an agent. - A person that is an MSB solely because that person serves as an agent of another MSB is not required to register. However, a person that is an MSB both because it engages in MSB activities on its own behalf and as an agent of another MSB, must register.

Stored value. - A person that is an MSB solely as an issuer, seller, or redeemer of stored value is not required to register. However, a person that is an MSB as an issuer, seller, or redeemer of stored value and engages in MSB activities (of a nature and value that cause the person to be an MSB on a basis other than stored value) must register.

U.S. Postal Service.

Government Agencies. Agencies of the United States, of any State, or of any political subdivision of any State.
I know mate, I am just joking because there was a guy from Free Banking site who was spreading FUD about the power of FinCEN on Bitcoin.
I deleted and blocked him from my Facebook page - he was the one that made an interview in a radio show, maybe 'Let's Talk Bitcoin', not sure...
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1002
Just for clarity, they are NOT the FBI's bitcoins now.   Like all seized assets, IF the accused is convicted (that takes some time although less time if he has no money and is going to use a PD) then the FBI will liquidate these seized assets.   Cash, they keep.   Everything else gets auctioned off.   It is likely these BTC wallet(s) will be auctioned IF a conviction is achieved.
Is FBI FinCEN compliant? Tongue
I thought FinCEN said Bitcoin is money, US regulators have to get their shit together!...

FBI is exempt from money transmitter regulations
I thought FinCEN was on top of MIB, who are on top of NSA, which is on top of FBI/CIA... Smiley

http://www.fincen.gov/financial_institutions/msb/definitions/exceptions.html

Quote
Exceptions - Certain MSBs are not required to register:

Solely an agent. - A person that is an MSB solely because that person serves as an agent of another MSB is not required to register. However, a person that is an MSB both because it engages in MSB activities on its own behalf and as an agent of another MSB, must register.

Stored value. - A person that is an MSB solely as an issuer, seller, or redeemer of stored value is not required to register. However, a person that is an MSB as an issuer, seller, or redeemer of stored value and engages in MSB activities (of a nature and value that cause the person to be an MSB on a basis other than stored value) must register.

U.S. Postal Service.

Government Agencies. Agencies of the United States, of any State, or of any political subdivision of any State.
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