[Suggestion] Cooldown for the second locking thread

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Quote from: TECSHARE on February 08, 2020, 10:49:56 AM

One visit to the REE thread demonstrates pretty clearly why it is locked.

Yes, much like marketplace scammers you can't have anyone disputing your claims about what you're selling (a plea to remove a moderator). Nice to have the exposure of Meta without having to deal with open discussion.

Quote from: TECSHARE on February 08, 2020, 10:49:56 AM

That is the problem with removing the ability to use locked threads, people can just drown you out with sheer volume of posts. People being able to speak freely is a problem for some people like Suchmoon.

It's a bit of stretch to frame you talking to yourself as "free speech" but even then - I don't have a problem with it. Knock yourself out. I just don't think your self-inflicted problem should be a hurdle for implementing OP's suggestion.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on February 08, 2020, 08:56:41 AM

And the vast majority of people who use locking legitimately do so in order to prevent 3rd parties from derailing or distracting from the point of the OP. Forcing this cool down window will completely disable ones ability to have a locked thread and result in even more conflict as people play games to abuse that window. Nothing is stopping people from making their own threads to criticize any wrongdoing.

Well, as I said, I'm not sure if the pros would outweigh the cons and I doubt theymos would implement it anyway, but I think your situation would be in the minority here. In those cases I would suggest just self-modding, but as suchmoon mentioned, in this alleged instance it obviously wouldn't work in Meta. I think self-modding is important, but I also think it's important we don't have it in Meta, but I guess you've found a work around that (and not that I blame you for it), but I still think in the vast majority of cases the locking is abused by the nefarious, but again, not sure whether it would be worth changing.

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Quote from: Lafu on February 08, 2020, 12:05:52 AM

Bad idea with a cooldown time , because of this 1 case here , theymos doing the same with hist Trust DTLog thread and its meant that nobody should post in it !

I highly doubt that. I'm pretty sure theymos can just post without unlocking the thread.

Admins/Globals can post in locked threads. In fact, maybe any mod can in a thread in their jurisdiction but I'm not sure.

Quote from: DireWolfM14 on February 08, 2020, 12:00:21 PM

I'm guilty of unlocking and locking one specific thread when I need to update it. The thread is in the archival board, so I wasn't able to make it self-moderated, and I don't expect anyone to post in it anyway. Nonetheless, restricting the ability to do so would be a drag.

Otherwise, I think you're right. Most of the time it's used by scammers to bump their threads in the currency exchange, digital goods, and account and invites boards. I can't see Theymos implementing the suggested restrictions, but if I'm wrong I wouldn't mind if those boards are the only ones affected.

But how often do you update it? I wouldn't be for it forever being locked but just possibly restricted to curb abuse.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on February 08, 2020, 08:04:20 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on February 08, 2020, 12:48:35 AM

This would totally negate the point of locked threads. Taking features from legitimate users to maybe possibly prevent some small amount of abuse is only going to result in less features on the forum. If people are abusing locked threads make your own post or leave a trust rating.

I would say the vast majority of people who lock and unlock their thread repeatedly and in quick succession do so to try avoid critical comments or warnings of their shady business. They bump the thread then quickly lock it hoping nobody will get the chance to chime in. I have thought in the past that there could be some sort of feature with a warning that if you lock your thread then you can't re-open it for x amount of time to prevent this sort of abuse but maybe it wouldn't be worth it or will effect legitimate users. I think if people lock a thread though that usually indicates it's done, or at least for the time being, but if people want to keep other's posts out they should probably just self-moderate instead.

I'm guilty of unlocking and locking one specific thread when I need to update it. The thread is in the archival board, so I wasn't able to make it self-moderated, and I don't expect anyone to post in it anyway. Nonetheless, restricting the ability to do so would be a drag.

Otherwise, I think you're right. Most of the time it's used by scammers to bump their threads in the currency exchange, digital goods, and account and invites boards. I can't see Theymos implementing the suggested restrictions, but if I'm wrong I wouldn't mind if those boards are the only ones affected.

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Quote from: suchmoon on February 08, 2020, 09:13:50 AM

Quote from: hilariousetc on February 08, 2020, 08:04:20 AM

if people want to keep other's posts out they should probably just self-moderate instead.

That wouldn't work for TECSHARE's mod abuse rants because Meta. He's basically using locking as a workaround for the lack of self-mod.

One visit to the REE thread demonstrates pretty clearly why it is locked. That is the problem with removing the ability to use locked threads, people can just drown you out with sheer volume of posts. People being able to speak freely is a problem for some people like Suchmoon.

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I don’t like a thread 🧵 when it drifts into the fuck you lick my ass motherfucker style of posting that

happens here occasionally.

I lock sales thread when items are sold.
I lock my alt coin threads when I begin a new one.
but i post new alt coin thread link.

I think I am up to 8 or 9 in a series of them.

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Quote from: LoyceV on February 08, 2020, 06:04:54 AM

I highly doubt that. I'm pretty sure theymos can just post without unlocking the thread.

For sure i guess that theymos and Cyrus can post and doing stuff without any restrictions.
It was just an example

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Quote from: hilariousetc on February 08, 2020, 08:04:20 AM

if people want to keep other's posts out they should probably just self-moderate instead.

That wouldn't work for TECSHARE's mod abuse rants because Meta. He's basically using locking as a workaround for the lack of self-mod.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on February 08, 2020, 08:04:20 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on February 08, 2020, 12:48:35 AM

This would totally negate the point of locked threads. Taking features from legitimate users to maybe possibly prevent some small amount of abuse is only going to result in less features on the forum. If people are abusing locked threads make your own post or leave a trust rating.

I would say the vast majority of people who lock and unlock their thread repeatedly and in quick succession do so to try avoid critical comments or warnings of their shady business. They bump the thread then quickly lock it hoping nobody will get the chance to chime in. I have thought in the past that there could be some sort of feature with a warning that if you lock your thread then you can't re-open it for x amount of time to prevent this sort of abuse but maybe it wouldn't be worth it or will effect legitimate users. I think if people lock a thread though that usually indicates it's done, or at least for the time being, but if people want to keep other's posts out they should probably just self-moderate instead.

And the vast majority of people who use locking legitimately do so in order to prevent 3rd parties from derailing or distracting from the point of the OP. Forcing this cool down window will completely disable ones ability to have a locked thread and result in even more conflict as people play games to abuse that window. Nothing is stopping people from making their own threads to criticize any wrongdoing.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on February 08, 2020, 12:48:35 AM

This would totally negate the point of locked threads. Taking features from legitimate users to maybe possibly prevent some small amount of abuse is only going to result in less features on the forum. If people are abusing locked threads make your own post or leave a trust rating.

I would say the vast majority of people who lock and unlock their thread repeatedly and in quick succession do so to try avoid critical comments or warnings of their shady business. They bump the thread then quickly lock it hoping nobody will get the chance to chime in. I have thought in the past that there could be some sort of feature with a warning that if you lock your thread then you can't re-open it for x amount of time to prevent this sort of abuse but maybe it wouldn't be worth it or will effect legitimate users. I think if people lock a thread though that usually indicates it's done, or at least for the time being, but if people want to keep other's posts out they should probably just self-moderate instead.

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Quote from: LoyceV on February 08, 2020, 06:04:54 AM

Quote from: Lafu on February 08, 2020, 12:05:52 AM

Bad idea with a cooldown time , because of this 1 case here , theymos doing the same with hist Trust DTLog thread and its meant that nobody should post in it !

I wouldn't be against this unlock-cooldown, but for certain boards only: for instance on the Marketplace, where scammers are often using a self-moderated locked thread so that their scam can't be highlighted in their topic. But even if it isn't locked, it's still self-moderated, so they can just keep going anyway.

I suggested something similar, and the community was against it. What do you think has changed in four months?

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Quote from: Lafu on February 08, 2020, 12:05:52 AM

Bad idea with a cooldown time , because of this 1 case here , theymos doing the same with hist Trust DTLog thread and its meant that nobody should post in it !

I highly doubt that. I'm pretty sure theymos can just post without unlocking the thread.

I wouldn't be against this unlock-cooldown, but for certain boards only: for instance on the Marketplace, where scammers are often using a self-moderated locked thread so that their scam can't be highlighted in their topic. But even if it isn't locked, it's still self-moderated, so they can just keep going anyway.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on February 07, 2020, 11:56:19 PM

If you're active in scam accusations board, you will believe it what I say.

The cooldown option is too restrictive, especially if it's done for the whole forum. Let the owner of the thread do as he thinks.
The scam accusations board has now 10 locked threads on the first 10 pages. I understand what you mean, but you can always open your own thread and make your point. And you can even keep it more active than the other / related thread.

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Quote from: CryptopreneurBrainboss on February 08, 2020, 05:13:03 AM

The abusers make the feature annoying but that's the price we have to pay.

Other than the good reason, this feature is also used by the abusers to bump their scam services and does not allow the other users to write and declare scam. As an example , i see this mostly when someone is selling Bitcointalk accounts through some 3rd party service and locking the thread so that the buyers cannot confirm if he is providing real or fake accounts. Also i remember a little time back a girl was using this to say that she is online on skype for paid se* but never let anyone confirms what she does or only scams by getting the advance payments. Lots of abusers are using this feature for their own benefit.

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Quote from: TECSHARE on February 08, 2020, 12:48:35 AM

This would totally negate the point of locked threads. Taking features from legitimate users to maybe possibly prevent some small amount of abuse is only going to result in less features on the forum. If people are abusing locked threads make your own post or leave a trust rating.

My thoughts exactly when I saw the title of the thread, the feedback aspect should be a neutral based feedback that's if you feel such offense is worth a feedback for regular offenders to serve as a warning and not a negative feedback since the action isn't worth it unless the thread been bumped and locked contains harmful contents like malwares.

To the OP, don't think there's any rules against bumping and locking your thread, very high profile users of the community can be observed doing this too (although for the right purpose). The abusers make the feature annoying but that's the price we have to pay.

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Quote from: Bttzed03 on February 08, 2020, 02:21:35 AM

Having a cooldown time is also not the best option. If you can't ignore users doing this lock/unlock, opening a REEEEEEEEEEEE: thread is the next best option.

REEE: Thread ™ 2018

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on February 07, 2020, 11:56:19 PM

~ I feel annoyed when saw some people locked their topic and unlocked just for updating/bumping the thread with spam and locked it again, it's make members couldn't post in their thread.

I think you are the one who needs some cooling down. It is within their privilege to lock/unlock and update/bump their own post.
You think their posting spam? Report.

Quote from: Jawhead999 on February 07, 2020, 11:56:19 PM

I don't know what he thought of locking->unlocking->locking of his every single post, he was misusing with the forum features.

Is he really misusing? I don't know any other purpose for locking thread than to prevent anyone from responding on that particular topic. The reason for every OP might be different but I think the purpose is the same.

Quote from: Jawhead999 on February 07, 2020, 11:56:19 PM

Since his topic is not low quality or bad topic, report to moderator is not the best option in this case.

Having a cooldown time is also not the best option. If you can't ignore users doing this lock/unlock, opening a REEEEEEEEEEEE: thread is the next best option.

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Quote from: UserU on February 08, 2020, 12:06:26 AM

I agree, currently this can be easily abused to avoid critics from commenting.

Maybe start from 10 minutes, followed by 30 minutes, 1 hour and so forth.

Why not create your own thread specifically for that topic so that you can freely discuss whatever you want to do. The thread owner definitely didn't want to discuss on that particular thread. The only wrong thing he do is he didn't make the thread a "Self Moderated".

I understand the sentiment of the OP since he want to reply for malicious doing in that thread but he can't do anything about locking/unlocking of thread. Just like what others said above. The OP can do anything about his thread since he is the one create, Unless he post against the rules then mods can shut it down.

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This would totally negate the point of locked threads. Taking features from legitimate users to maybe possibly prevent some small amount of abuse is only going to result in less features on the forum. If people are abusing locked threads make your own post or leave a trust rating.

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I agree, currently this can be easily abused to avoid critics from commenting.

Maybe start from 10 minutes, followed by 30 minutes, 1 hour and so forth.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on February 07, 2020, 11:56:19 PM

Hi everyone
I feel annoyed when saw some people locked their topic and unlocked just for updating/bumping the thread with spam and locked it again,

Its his thread and a thread owner can do with his thread what he wants !
If he doing that for bumping the thread report him !

Bad idea with a cooldown time , because of this 1 case here , theymos doing the same with hist Trust DTLog thread and its meant that nobody should post in it !

Write the User a pm if you want to tell him something or ask for unlock the thread .

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