Topic: Suggestion: Disable new user registration, Invites only (Read 2102 times)

Yay, Hero circlejerking.


In fact, I have seen it. People starting posting again after 1 year of absence and why not? I can perfectly imagine that this board is no longer interesting / appealing to a person, they focus on something else and return after a long break.


I had people argue that there is such a thing as a honest ponzi. Apparently everything is a matter of perspective and from some perspective ponzis that openly say they are one are considered some form of legit gambling. I have problems with this view, but who am I to tell the world what to see.

To repeat myself somewhat shorter. This forum is very open in many ways and restricting access here would IMHO destroy that.

I agree there are honest newbies because everyone was a newbie once , even satoshi. But honest newbies would never run a Ponzi would they? SO that's of no use for them That's why I think its fair enough to prevent newbies to post in the investor-based games

Why? In that way it will be discriminated all the honest newbie, jr member and member users. I think it doesn't exist a real solution to this problem, and it will never exist. The 'censorship" way doesn't work . Maybe the solution is "trade always with your own diligence".

I say its both good and bad!

Good because : We can stop(not actually "stop" but "control") newbie scammers! You know, Investor-Based Games section is the common home for all newbie scammers.

Bad because: Not everyone who uses Bitcoin know the forum users. They know about Bitcoin but they can never join the forum because they know about the forum but they don't know any forum user and they don't get any invitation. Lets put it this way:

Account rank  less than Full Member can't post in the Gambling, games and rounds and Investor-Based Games Thread!

is not the case of satoshi...
obiouvsly...
but there are a lot of users farmed with 0 posts/activity....
do you think if they stay 45, 90 or 180 days without accesing/posting,
they will become active in one or two years?

i think not...

I wonder what you would want to discuss with Hero Members that is not interesting for other members. I think the discussion would lack interesting inputs from those that do not post that much here. Some very smart people post from a Jr. Account. Why would you keep them out of your discussion?


I personally think its low enough already.


What does that have to do with the topic at hand? How would someone that is only active occasionally be a spam problem? Why 180 days? You would ban satoshi, just because they have not been around for a while. I see no good reason to ban someone for taking a lengthy break.


Exactly, banning Tor its not a solution as Tor is not the problem here. Its not even helping as cheap VPNs are easy to get. Even without that, one can just register accounts in bulk from a "clean" IP.

Definitely, TOR is not the problem. As a lot of users said "the spammer or scammer" will not stop to make their action against the newbie users also if the registration through TOR will be disabled. It does not exist a real solution to this problem, because the problem itself cannot be resolved (only with the continuing ban of farmer accounts).



Exactly, I have already explained here in this thread that make registration only through invites will complicate the situation because those scammer will start to selling invites outside the forum, and we should remember that this is a forum. Everyone is free to do whatever he wants, bit if he will catched he will be obviously banned (that's all).

...for as I see it,
this limit could be incremented....
without problem...
i mean for newbee and Jr. Membert too...

and another thing...
why introduce something like this:

if account is inactive for 180days, this value could be optimized,
mods bann it.

this is my 2 satoshi...

I think thats an interesting idea. Ill likely make Hero in 2.5 months, but back to the idea.

Having either a X Member Level or higher area OR giving members the option when creating original threads to only allow X Level or higher to access could be interesting.

Just an idea. But really this in and of itself stifles the concept of sharing information.

Perhaps just a "Hero's Lounge' would be nice.

Strato

One that doesn't cost 10 BTC to enter and might see more active users
Albeit your trading in prices for Time accumulated instead.

I agree.  I simply stated its tough to create a safeguard without adding some sort of safeguard against people just creating lots of accounts.

The phone idea was just one...

Strato

I don't want to see things like "[WTS] Bitcointalk Invites" in other forums. Read shorena's post will give you an idea why we don't want to see that.


I don't agree with limited privacy. Scammers will buy a virtual number and things needed easily but honest users will turn away. It is same for most strict rules. The current system is good.


There is already donator and staff forum.

No if there is to be a special section it could be an invite only section of the forums
Or a Hero Account and higher area
Would say Legends but that would take ages for anyone to get into from scratch.

No. I don't think too much info should be required, as isn't bitcoin all about privacy?

I agree that scammers should be blocked, but putting stuff out like your address, exact place where you live etc., is a little bit ridiculous IMO. Also, scammers can just fake the info.

Buying a burner number for phone number verification is unnecessary, I don't think people should have to pay or disclose their real identity to participate in this forum.

Id agree with Quickseller here. The only thing that perhaps might be a smart move, yet Perhaps difficult to implement in keeping with the spirit of Bitcointalks view on privacy, would be to require more information during registration so that its a bit more difficult to create fake/spam/scam accounts.

Phone verification could be a good idea. Anyone wanting to remain truly anonymous could simply go buy a burner with cash from a 7-11 and buy some pre-paid text/minutes.

That would likely weed out 90% of fake accounts.

Strato

This won't stop the farmers who is already the members on this forum, they can still invite themselves to create more accounts, and this would only the real newbie who want to get involved with this forum.

I doubt that account farmers and scammers would find it difficult to get invites. This proposal would only inconvenience real newbies who we want to welcome to the forum.

We want Bitcoin to grow and take over the world, but we want to make it impossible for new users to discuss their new currency on the biggest forum for the currency that's out there? Makes a lot of sense...

Disabling registrations through Tor? Why would anyone want to do that? There are people out there that depend on Tor, for a few their lives depend on Tor working. Maybe some of them are into bitcoin, why would you close the door for people that actually need our help?

Instead of an open minded community where people can discuss their ideas, ask questions and get help, OP wants to create a private club. Go ahead, I dont want to be part of it. I did not know anyone into bitcoin when I started here. All I know about bitcoin, I learned here and I would not have been here if an invite was required. We probably endured newbie jail together and now you are asking the admins to close the doors? For what?

#1 "new users scam". Scammers scam, no matter how old their account is. Plenty of scammers already have accounts, what would stop them from inviting themselves? Lets just assume for a second they would have to buy an invite for some reason - because we all know this will happen once access here is limited further - scammers have the most reason to invest into an invite, because they have a plan to ROI. Honest people that come to ask questions do not.

#2 "farming accounts" would naturally increase as a valid business if you further limit the supply of accounts.

#3 "spamming everywhere" new accounts have a very hard time to spam. They are limited to a post every 360 seconds in case you forgot how awful long that is, create a new account and try to participate in a discussion. Even Jr. Members are still significantly limited.

you are right!!!
the fee it's required to enable posts...
not to register...
but at the end,
it is the same thing....
you are registered, but you are not enabled to post until you pay according to your "Unit of evil"