I have missed that post of theymos, obviously. That is exactly what I want to be implemented, except that I want the restriction to be applied for Jr. members as well while theymos in that post have mentioned that their ban would be lifted once they reach Jr. member. I believe there are hundreds of Jr. members spamming the forum like hell these days, and that is what made me suggest this change.
theymos doesn't like restrictions, he had them implemented before(newbie jail), and it was a fail(?). This is his saying on what he thinks on implementing restrictions: The things on the forum which encourage spam are allowed mainly because it's part of the forum's mission to be as free as possible. Eg. banning bounties would undoubtedly reduce spam, but that'd be destroying an entire economy/population/culture which has been able to develop due to the forum's freedom. I am willing to take this sort of action, but only as an absolute last resort. It's always preferable to handle these problems by reshaping the environment to make them non-problems, rather than removing some freedom.
It's wonderful when someone is able to constructively do something on the forum instead of continuing with whatever they were expected to do under the status quo. Enabling that sort of thing is exactly why Bitcoin and this forum were created. Though bitcointalk.org is not a worldwide welfare organization, and people are not entitled to make money.
Limiting newbie participation is very harmful for a community. Newbie jail will never return: I consider the newbie-jail period to have been extremely damaging to the forum. When barriers to participation are too high, then the best people often just won't go to the trouble of joining, and the people who are willing to jump through the hoops are often people who aren't good for the community: people with nothing better to do, scammers, get-rick-quickers, etc. Having a permanent newbie jail policy would improve things a lot in the short-term, but would end up being a fatal poison to the community.
The low signal-to-noise is a real issue which seriously annoys me and is often on my mind. But as you mention, fixing it non-destructively is difficult.
It's wonderful when someone is able to constructively do something on the forum instead of continuing with whatever they were expected to do under the status quo. Enabling that sort of thing is exactly why Bitcoin and this forum were created. Though bitcointalk.org is not a worldwide welfare organization, and people are not entitled to make money.
Limiting newbie participation is very harmful for a community. Newbie jail will never return: I consider the newbie-jail period to have been extremely damaging to the forum. When barriers to participation are too high, then the best people often just won't go to the trouble of joining, and the people who are willing to jump through the hoops are often people who aren't good for the community: people with nothing better to do, scammers, get-rick-quickers, etc. Having a permanent newbie jail policy would improve things a lot in the short-term, but would end up being a fatal poison to the community.
The low signal-to-noise is a real issue which seriously annoys me and is often on my mind. But as you mention, fixing it non-destructively is difficult.
We'll tackle that too, but let us tackle this one first, and then we will see what they come up with, and hopefully there will be a solution for that as well.
I love this spirit of yours, but theymos literally has no time to solve all this issues. Apparently, a single account recovery takes a lot of time, in investigation and what you're talking about are much bigger issues. Thing is, this is the internet, spam rules over everything else. Only way to combat spam is to have very strict moderation, have mods patrolling through 24/7 and that also doesn't guarantee that there'd be no spam. People are selling services like ANN bumping, hacked accounts, autoreply bots off-forum, and it makes it much harder for the forum to know who uses these. When cloudfare was integrated, the bots that mods used to use became obsolete, so we thought that might be the end of bots, but we were wrong. Cloudfare doesn't block the bots that only spams.
God, I know it isn't. But I just couldn't help it. He should not leave the forum to bleed only because a few positive users might get a negative effect from this. Those legitimate users would probably find their way to the other side, but this whole lot of spammers would die inside that circle, and that would probably bring some positive energy to the forum.
I get your frustration, but you'll get used to it, like it or not. hilariousandco knows the pain on this, more than anyone else, he's trying so hard, even after knowing that he gets ignored every single time. Many legitimate users have "left" this forum in terms of hacked accounts, by scamming someone or simply went AWOL. What is left must be preserved and I believe continuous scrutiny of post quality of such members is necessary to reduce spam and increase quality discussions.
But what is the role of the campaign manager then? If they accept such users in campaigns then nothing can be done to stop them from shitposting. Hence both the manager and the mods of the forum need to monitor them for such shitposting spree.
Literally speaking once they spam - they will eventually get banned and then make another account - by whatever method and start a new journey on bitcointalk. That is where merit stops them from ranking up and the same thing repeats. Ultimately they will get tired and frustrated and then leave the forum.
Legit users left only because of the spam or because of their big con attempt, along side, the lack of responsiveness from the administration. Even BadBear left. But what is the role of the campaign manager then? If they accept such users in campaigns then nothing can be done to stop them from shitposting. Hence both the manager and the mods of the forum need to monitor them for such shitposting spree.
Literally speaking once they spam - they will eventually get banned and then make another account - by whatever method and start a new journey on bitcointalk. That is where merit stops them from ranking up and the same thing repeats. Ultimately they will get tired and frustrated and then leave the forum.
And spammers never get frustrated. They come up with something , always. One or two might give up, but there are hundreds of thousands of them that are still left.
About campaign managers allowing shitposters, they aren't campaign mangers. They don't deserve that title. Its about time, that theymos gives a guideline on how to manage campaigns/bounties.
