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Quote from: digaran on June 11, 2018, 07:42:12 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on June 11, 2018, 07:36:39 PM

Your plan is

Great then, so we could disable signatures for password reset accounts only?

For how long? Can't someone (the hacker or the buyer) just wait until they can use the signatures?

This would just hurt legit users. Those who got hacked can sign a message so a DT member can neg trust the account and make it useless for bounties/campaigns. But the legit user can't do anything and will need to wait until their signatures get enabled again.

Also, many users are used on changing their password from time to time as a security measure.

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Quote from: digaran on June 11, 2018, 07:42:12 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on June 11, 2018, 07:36:39 PM

Your plan is

Great then, so we could disable signatures for password reset accounts only?

It would inconvenience legitimate accounts, including ones with unpaid signatures, and it wouldn't do much or anything at all to curb account sales.

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Quote from: suchmoon on June 11, 2018, 07:36:39 PM

Your plan is

Great then, so we could disable signatures for password reset accounts only?

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Quote from: digaran on June 11, 2018, 07:27:17 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on June 11, 2018, 06:59:04 PM

Quote from: digaran on June 11, 2018, 06:27:07 PM

Disable the signature for any account with changed email address

E-mail address change is not a proof of account sale. Legitimate users can change their e-mail addresses for legitimate reasons. Account farmers can sell accounts with farmed e-mail addresses therefore not needing to change them. Stop repeating this nonsense.

Password reset and email change then? legitimate users could still post, they wont be affected.

Which part of "Account farmers can sell accounts with farmed e-mail addresses therefore not needing to change them" is not sufficiently clear to you?

1) Account farmer, let's call her SlowBuyer, creates an email account [email protected] and a corresponding forum account "totally-not-farmed-account-1256".
2) SlowBuyer shitposts with the "totally-not-farmed-account-1256" for a few weeks, maybe sends a merit or two to it.
3) SlowBuyer sells "totally-not-farmed-account-1256" together with [email protected].
4) There is no e-mail change nor password reset. There is likely a password change, which is not proof of anything.

Your plan is stupid, give it up.

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Quote from: suchmoon on June 11, 2018, 06:59:04 PM

Quote from: digaran on June 11, 2018, 06:27:07 PM

Disable the signature for any account with changed email address

E-mail address change is not a proof of account sale. Legitimate users can change their e-mail addresses for legitimate reasons. Account farmers can sell accounts with farmed e-mail addresses therefore not needing to change them. Stop repeating this nonsense.

Password reset and email change then? legitimate users could still post, they wont be affected.

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Quote from: digaran on June 11, 2018, 06:27:07 PM

Disable the signature for any account with changed email address

E-mail address change is not a proof of account sale. Legitimate users can change their e-mail addresses for legitimate reasons. Account farmers can sell accounts with farmed e-mail addresses therefore not needing to change them. Stop repeating this nonsense.

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I would like to suggest that forum should ban account sales. how?

Here is the way:

Disable the signature for any account with changed email address, it is not efficient to manually verify if every single account has been sold or not, so we could remove the chance for garbage posters/sig spammers to keep posting garbage.

Here is my argument:
We know that people here are earning money by posting, nothing wrong with that as long as they post constructively, however we could test people's loyalty to this forum and to the Bitcoin, if they are here only to post and get paid, better we tackle the issue from the roots, how?

Let them to be here and post if they are really here to support crypto, disable their signatures to see if they stay or would leave?
If they stay after getting their sig disabled, good for them and for us, if they leave then we know that they were only here to post garbage.
Account sellers would hate this idea.

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We need a moderator in off-topic section. people are posting 100% garbage. I'd like to suggest to people start reporting a few of totally garbage posts on off-topic and any of the other forum boards with no moderators. let us clean this place together. you certainly don't want me to tag you all and ask you to report garbage posts do you? if I see nobody cares I might use force to make you all campaign shitposters to help a bit.

I forgot to add. Wink

please don't tag me. these are my ideas.

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Quote from: marlboroza on May 25, 2018, 08:44:42 AM

Quote from: hilariousetc on May 25, 2018, 08:33:32 AM

Quote from: digaran on May 24, 2018, 06:29:01 PM

EDIT: I would also like to suggest that DT2 members to pass a KYC procedure, theymos should be the only one who'd see the documents. I'd say that DT1 members who are acting as escrow should also pass KYC. one person has to have a way of tracking them if things goes south. we need at least to trust theymos to keep the information safe and never betrays DT1-2 members.

You see, do you actually believe this or are you just posting nonsense? theymos would never do this and has already publicly shot such a suggestion down.

Maybe KYD -know your default?

Or better - KYS - know your slave? Grin

Admit that you are a slave to your master's wills. you had to tag me again because you were afraid to lose your position. it hurts to be right. right?

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Quote from: hilariousetc on May 25, 2018, 08:33:32 AM

Quote from: digaran on May 24, 2018, 06:29:01 PM

EDIT: I would also like to suggest that DT2 members to pass a KYC procedure, theymos should be the only one who'd see the documents. I'd say that DT1 members who are acting as escrow should also pass KYC. one person has to have a way of tracking them if things goes south. we need at least to trust theymos to keep the information safe and never betrays DT1-2 members.

You see, do you actually believe this or are you just posting nonsense? theymos would never do this and has already publicly shot such a suggestion down.

Maybe KYD -know your default?

Or better - KYS - know your slave? Grin

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Quote from: digaran on May 24, 2018, 06:29:01 PM

Quote from: hilariousetc on May 24, 2018, 05:52:53 AM

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Quote from: AverageGlabella on May 23, 2018, 04:49:11 PM

Why would this benefit people at all? Is it because you want to hide your trust rating?

I would say he's trolling, but I can't even tell any more.

He's just trolling. He thinks he's funny but he's not. He's managed to get his account ruined with multiple red trusts so he probably figures he hasn't got anything to lose. I was hoping he'd learn his lesson and change his ways once he managed to get his initial negative feedback changed to neutral, but instead he ramped up the trolling for some reason and now look at him. Unless diagran is willing to change his behaviour I'd just ignore him from now on because I think these sorts of threads will just become more common.

Your slave has tagged me red again, he needs to keep tagging me in order to stay on DT2, right?

Yes, that's correct. I almost had to remove him from DT when I saw he had removed your initial feedback. Bad slave.

Quote from: digaran on May 24, 2018, 06:29:01 PM

Translation of the bolded part: digaran has to be a good boy, he has to be my little bitch otherwise I'll ignore him.

Well there's only so much of your nonsense I'm willing to engage with because I know it's going to go nowhere. If you've decided your account is only worth for trolling then people should do what annoy trolls the most and ignore them.

Quote from: digaran on May 24, 2018, 06:29:01 PM

EDIT: I would also like to suggest that DT2 members to pass a KYC procedure, theymos should be the only one who'd see the documents. I'd say that DT1 members who are acting as escrow should also pass KYC. one person has to have a way of tracking them if things goes south. we need at least to trust theymos to keep the information safe and never betrays DT1-2 members.

You see, do you actually believe this or are you just posting nonsense? theymos would never do this and has already publicly shot such a suggestion down.

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Quote from: Flying Hellfish on May 24, 2018, 09:46:52 PM

Quote from: digaran on May 24, 2018, 09:34:29 PM

Why should we trust a green trusted member? because another green trusted member has left him/her a positive feedback. how could we trust the two green trusted members? because they all are trusted by theymos? but theymos doesn't trust some of the green trusted members.

If I want to trust them then I am allowed to do so. If I believe there is value in the green trust and I wish to make an agreement with one of the I am allowed to do so. I get to decide how much value the trust colour has for ME. Just as you and everyone else here are free to do the same or the opposite its your choice big boy!

Not true, we're forced to trust a selected few by default or distrust a few by default. we don't actually have a choice, this is an illusion of free will. somebody like suchmoon would tag me just to say that I'm not even worth 0.01 after being here for 2.5 years.
We are forced to live with this unfair system unfortunately if we want to be a part of this community. I know it as well. I have no complaints other than speaking my mind.

Again, people are leaving -+ trust for anybody they want and the ones with the power of giving default -+ trust are abusing it, they have a cartel and they are using this community to build an empire. and we are the village idiots they say.

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Quote from: digaran on May 24, 2018, 09:34:29 PM

Why should we trust a green trusted member? because another green trusted member has left him/her a positive feedback. how could we trust the two green trusted members? because they all are trusted by theymos? but theymos doesn't trust some of the green trusted members.

If I want to trust them then I am allowed to do so. If I believe there is value in the green trust and I wish to make an agreement with one of the I am allowed to do so. I get to decide how much value the trust colour has for ME. Just as you and everyone else here are free to do the same or the opposite its your choice big boy!

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Quote from: Flying Hellfish on May 24, 2018, 08:33:13 PM

Quote from: digaran on May 24, 2018, 06:29:01 PM

~snip~
EDIT: I would also like to suggest that DT2 members to pass a KYC procedure, theymos should be the only one who'd see the documents. I'd say that DT1 members who are acting as escrow should also pass KYC. one person has to have a way of tracking them if things goes south. we need at least to trust theymos to keep the information safe and never betrays DT1-2 members.

You've gone off the fucking deep end if you think theymos is going to require kyc from DT members. Also no escrow is officially sanctioned by the forum. The forum is not suggesting in any way shape or form you can trust ANY escrow agent here. You are 100% responsible for YOUR property. Asking theymos and the forum to "protect" you in any way shows how little you know about this forum and community...

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Otherwise, I'd advise people to avoid using any anonymous escrow for large amounts.

In anything one should never risk more than they can afford to lose. What is a large amount of money to one person may not be to another. This is another reason why it is 100% up to you to protect your stuff. You and every other user have the free will not to use any service here ever, it's that simple. Trusted, untrusted or anything else doesn't matter because the decision is ultimately yours in the end...

Of course, that's why I have advised not to trust anybody here with large amount of money, though I guess that we all know that when you have a green trust rating, you'd have a better chance to gain the trust of the community. or if you are red tagged, people would not listen to you seriously. I will change that. I am going to show everybody that having a green or red trust means nothing and shouldn't mean anything because it has already lost it's true value. people are no longer tagging scammers, they are no longer leaving positive trust for trusted members.

Why should we trust a green trusted member? because another green trusted member has left him/her a positive feedback. how could we trust the two green trusted members? because they all are trusted by theymos? but theymos doesn't trust some of the green trusted members.

I will not continue to explain more, you already know that everybody here is leaving trust feedback for anybody they want for any reason. people should not trust this system where other people are in control of everything.

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Quote from: digaran on May 24, 2018, 06:29:01 PM

~snip~
EDIT: I would also like to suggest that DT2 members to pass a KYC procedure, theymos should be the only one who'd see the documents. I'd say that DT1 members who are acting as escrow should also pass KYC. one person has to have a way of tracking them if things goes south. we need at least to trust theymos to keep the information safe and never betrays DT1-2 members.

You've gone off the fucking deep end if you think theymos is going to require kyc from DT members. Also no escrow is officially sanctioned by the forum. The forum is not suggesting in any way shape or form you can trust ANY escrow agent here. You are 100% responsible for YOUR property. Asking theymos and the forum to "protect" you in any way shows how little you know about this forum and community...

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Otherwise, I'd advise people to avoid using any anonymous escrow for large amounts.

In anything one should never risk more than they can afford to lose. What is a large amount of money to one person may not be to another. This is another reason why it is 100% up to you to protect your stuff. You and every other user have the free will not to use any service here ever, it's that simple. Trusted, untrusted or anything else doesn't matter because the decision is ultimately yours in the end...

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Quote from: hilariousetc on May 24, 2018, 05:52:53 AM

Quote from: DarkStar_ on May 23, 2018, 05:01:14 PM

Quote from: AverageGlabella on May 23, 2018, 04:49:11 PM

Why would this benefit people at all? Is it because you want to hide your trust rating?

I would say he's trolling, but I can't even tell any more.

He's just trolling. He thinks he's funny but he's not. He's managed to get his account ruined with multiple red trusts so he probably figures he hasn't got anything to lose. I was hoping he'd learn his lesson and change his ways once he managed to get his initial negative feedback changed to neutral, but instead he ramped up the trolling for some reason and now look at him. Unless diagran is willing to change his behaviour I'd just ignore him from now on because I think these sorts of threads will just become more common.

Your slave has tagged me red again, he needs to keep tagging me in order to stay on DT2, right?

Translation of the bolded part: digaran has to be a good boy, he has to be my little bitch otherwise I'll ignore him.

EDIT: I would also like to suggest that DT2 members to pass a KYC procedure, theymos should be the only one who'd see the documents. I'd say that DT1 members who are acting as escrow should also pass KYC. one person has to have a way of tracking them if things goes south. we need at least to trust theymos to keep the information safe and never betrays DT1-2 members.

Otherwise, I'd advise people to avoid using any anonymous escrow for large amounts.

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Quote from: Blue Tyrant on May 24, 2018, 09:44:14 AM

But damn I think Digiran lost more than a few screws while I was gone. Last I remember he was accusing BTCforJoe for his signatureless campaign and the next thing I know is he's deep in the rabbithole of trolling, red paints and wild delusions.

You could open an entire Home Depot with the things he has lost in the last few weeks Cheesy

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Quote from: digaran on May 23, 2018, 04:45:07 PM

Could we have a fork of DT?

We already have one, it's called Reddit Grin

Give it a try!

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Quote from: DarkStar_ on May 23, 2018, 05:01:14 PM

I would say he's trolling, but I can't even tell any more.

I suppose this thread's one of the best examples of Poe's Law at play (which I like to quote a lot given how relevant it is these days)

But damn I think Digiran lost more than a few screws while I was gone. Last I remember he was accusing BTCforJoe for his signatureless campaign and the next thing I know is he's deep in the rabbithole of trolling, red paints and wild delusions.

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Quote from: digaran on May 23, 2018, 04:45:07 PM

Could we have a fork of DT? I'd say that DT should be visible only on altcoin sections if they are not on theymos's trust list, what say you? whoever is not on theymos's trust, their feedback should be only visible on altcoin sections by default. this way we would know who has tried to fork the trust system.

How is this for keeping trust decentralized and removing any chance of gaming and abusing the trust system?

The section where no one gives a shit about trust? Sounds about right.

I am not sure you understand how trust is to be decentralized. You see, theymos wants to decentralize the trust system by having a few trusted members(DT1 members) having to delegate their authority to people who they seem are trustworthy(DT2 members).

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Quote from: hilariousetc on May 24, 2018, 05:52:53 AM

Quote from: DarkStar_ on May 23, 2018, 05:01:14 PM

Quote from: AverageGlabella on May 23, 2018, 04:49:11 PM

He's managed to get his account ruined with multiple red trusts so he probably figures he hasn't got anything to lose. I was hoping he'd learn his lesson and change his ways once he managed to get his initial negative feedback changed to neutral, but instead he ramped up the trolling for some reason and now look at him.

I don't know why he messed up his reputation in the forum and he keeps on messing up his current image but maybe a little more of members complaining about his behavior will make him redeem himself from his actions.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on May 23, 2018, 07:39:29 PM

I can't understand the logic behind this request.

Because he has tried (and spectacularly failed) to get suchmoon, actmyname, and marlboroza to remove the red trust they've given him. Since he can't change his own feedback, it seems he now wants to change the entire trust system to benefit him.

and now he's trolling the forum creating topics where arguments are wasted and useless.

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