Topic: [Syria under terrorist attack] update: ISIS/Da'esh rule is re-established - page 2. (Read 1306 times)

Syria's curse lies in its geographical location. The Middle East has been a conflict zone for hundreds of years, and all powers throughout history have wanted to have influence there. For this reason, all colonial powers agree to keep the entire region in a state of constant turmoil to facilitate the implementation of any influence plan. Since Syria is located in the middle of the region, it is affected by all conflicts. Iran against Israel, Turkey against the Arabs, Iran against the Arabs, Israel against the Arabs, the crisis of the Kurds aspiring to establish a state, and Palestine against Israel, in addition to the civil conflicts in both Lebanon and Iraq. This means that almost the only safe border is with Saudi Arabia.

The Syrians would be smart if they benefited from other experiences in the region that succeeded in toppling their regimes. Yemen, Sudan, and Libya have been suffering since the fall of their regimes and were divided into warring states. Almost only Egypt and Tunisia succeeded in restoring stability quickly.

But this will not be easy if the Syrians allow international parties to intervene. One of the signs that the situation is not heading towards stability is that Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham, which took over power, is one of the arms of the Al-Qaeda organization sponsored by America, and it will benefit even if the country is divided.

Interesting development. The Alevi people of Turkiye are protesting that if the Erdogan's Turkic terrorists continue murdering Syria Alawites they'll get involved and will start fighting them. Some source say the Iskandaroon brigade is among the protestors...


You are still repeating Zionist propaganda without checking the history.

• First of all that is not genocide, that is oppression.
• Secondly Iran never supported any of that mainly because Iran is not in the business of meddling in other countries' internal affairs.
• Thirdly if you check the history, Iran entered Syria when ISIS had risen to power with the help of US regime and had control of over 85% of the country and the capital had nearly fallen. Iran only entered Syria then and only to crush ISIS. The oppression began way before that (which is one of the reasons contributing to many Syrians joining the multi-national terrorist organization named Da'esh) where they opened fire at protestors most of whom were protesting against Assad because of Erdogan's actions! (ctrl+f Turkish "GAP" project in this topic and read my summary there then do your own research). Iran never supported that and when ISIS was crushed and semi-stability was restored, Iranians started leaving Syria.
  

That is the only possible solution but it will only be achieved after all occupiers of Syria are eliminated. Meaning after:

• US regime is kicked out of mainly Eastern Syria so that Syrians can regain control over their own resources, specifically their gas/oil and agriculture so that they can earn some money and feed their own people
• Zionist occupiers are kicked out mainly from Western Syria so that Syrians can regain stability and take control over one of their strategic water sources so that they don't starve!
• Erdogan occupiers kicked out mainly from North so that the terrorist group Erdogan created named PKK is eliminated as well and stability can come back
• Takfiri terrorists (namely al-Golani and his terrorists) which are mostly multi-national and from Central Asia are kicked out so that the killings and oppression can end.

None of it will happen as long as people are still talking about Assad!
And none of it will happen peacefully. For example US regime is not going to stop stealing the Syrian oil without a fight. They have to be bombed out. Watch these two jackals split their spoils of their dirty war against Syrians as Trump confesses that he is only in Syria to steal the oil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U10p3Tn9V5Y

I agree with everything you said and I confirm that my position rejecting Iranian or Turkish intervention in Syria doesn't mean that I accept the Zionist plan. It may seem that one plan is better than the other or less violent than the other, but this does not mean that their dangers vary. Whoever supports Israel's right to practice genocide must accept the Turks when they practice genocide against the Kurds or Iran when it supports the genocide of the Bashar regime against the honest Syrian opposition (not all the opposition in Syria are armed Takfiris, but the honest opposition is forced to express itself from the outside for fear of the regime's brutality), or object to ISIS, the Nusra Front and Al-Qaeda. They are all terrorists!

Unfortunately, the Syrian people are the most affected because they find themselves in a geographical area crowded with conflicts for centuries, and I fear that the partition solution will become the best way to avoid civil war, which is what seems to be happening.

Only now do I understand that each of you supports one of the conflicting forces in the region. I speak from a neutral position that does not support the interference of any party in the Syrian scene, and I support the right of the Syrians to determine their own destiny and not to serve any international agenda. That is why I am not affected by what the media publishes because they all serve one of the colonial agendas.

And here you are again trying to bring up off-topic matters in a desperate attempt to force me into repeatedly debunk fake claims only because you want to derail the topic so that maybe we all forget that NATO is openly supporting and arming terrorist groups that include ISIS, Israel, al-Qaeda and a lot more!

The terrorist whom you've been supporting, al-Golani is not a simple member of ISIS and al-Qaeda, he is a high ranking commander in their terrorist organization. He may say some stuff CIA dictates to CNN and other Western mouthpieces but in reality he just said that there won't be any elections in Syria and the US backed terrorists (most of whom are Turkic from central Asia) will rule with an iron fist.

While you are busy trying to derail this topic with your keywords, another terrorist organization you support bombed a couple of other hospitals in Gaza as part of their genocidal rampage.

Unfortunately, there are those who believe that Syria has no solution without foreign intervention. That is, it is either Zionist, Persian or Turkish. In their opinion, the Syrians are unable to decide their fate by themselves and that the old regime was the one that sponsored peace. This is meaningless because Syria is no different from many other countries that have a society with diverse components (ethnic, religious and sectarian...) and have the competencies capable of running the country. Syria, before it allied with Iran, was a completely independent republic with no one interfering in its sovereignty, at least since its complete independence from France in the 1940s. It entered into an alliance with Iran to protect its territory and resist Israel, but we have not seen any of that happen. Iran allied with Syria to pass supplies to Hezbollah, and we have never heard that it targeted Israeli sites from Syria or that it was annoying in any way to the Israelis, who do not hesitate to bomb Iranian targets in Syria, the most prominent of which was the assassination of leaders in the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. Recently, after the fall of the Assad regime, Russia revealed the evacuation of more than 4K Iranian fighters from Syria. What were they doing? Didn't they succeed for years in defeating other militias with the help of their allies from Hezbollah and the Syrian army? Why did they enter and exit Syria so easily? Did Iran succeed in achieving its goals from its alliance with Syria? Was this alliance really a guarantee of stability? I don't think so.

The situation in Syria is not better, but it is certain that Iran was not the dove of peace or that Syria without Iran will collapse. There is still a regional and international war in Syria and everyone wants their share of the cake. Unfortunately, Iran has no share of the cake because the Syrians themselves reject it regardless of their internal and external conflicts. The Iranian presence in Syria has ended, and now the Syrians must end the presence of other colonial powers in order to avoid the partition plan.

Here you are again claiming to represent or decide who are "the real arabs". Of course Iran has a regional imperialistic plan. Why would they support Hizbollah or the Houti militias.

While you claim here that "terrorists" are in control of Siria you are defending Iran who is financially and militarily supporting terrorists groups all over the region and sending weapons to Putin - a declared war criminal.

You are an absolute joke.

With al-Golani terrorists killing more Syrians every day, the Resistance groups are forming and are fighting the terrorists that are currently usurping Syria. Actual people of Syria will eventually liberate Syria and kick out all invaders including the Turkish terrorists, US regime and of course Zionists.
After they are neutralized, peace can come back to Syria and the region.

I also have to say that one of the positive outcomes of what is going on in Syria is that it debunked decades of Zionist propaganda overnight, an example of which you see here:

The Arabs might have believed the propaganda once a couple of years ago but when they saw the reality, when the US backed terrorists including al-Qaeda and Israel bombed their homes, they started seeing the truth. So today when head of al-Qaeda branch al-Golani (who has already confessed that he overthrow the Syrian government to protect Israel) tells them about "Iran's colonial plan", the real Arabs respond this way:


 

That is pretty much the situation yes. Looks like a Game of Thrones, and there are far too many contenders still there to consider peace. However, at least there is one less and there is chance to move forward international relations and try reaching some peace, even if it is not really fair and to the like of all, at least it is peace and people can come back to proper lives.

Perhaps I am not the only one who has mixed feelings about the situation in Syria, which makes reading the scene very difficult.

Assad regime contributed to the destruction of the country and involved it in regional and international conflicts that could have been avoided if several considerations had been taken into account. Unfortunately, the regime has succeeded in ensuring its survival in power under the slogan that it is on the resistance front against the Zionist project in the region without providing an explanation as to whether joining other colonial plans is really the best solution. Iran has a colonial plan that is no less dangerous than the Zionist project. Without forgetting the Turkish plan that raises challenges to extend its influence in the region.

On the same basis, we find on the other side that Syria is subject to a clear partition plan, and it seems that this has become a reality since there are armed grooups that have refused to join the ranks of the national army and therefore want to preserve their areas of influence (they are mostly supported by Turkey), as well as the Kurds in the north (supported by the United States) who had declared years ago their own autonomous region.

To be honest I did not expect to hear the confession of the leader of Takfiri terrorists that approved this part of my comment here, this soon! It only took them less than a month to confess!



This terrorist you see here who is a high ranking member of both al-Qaeda and ISIS and currently is the head of the terrorist organization that usurped Syria about a month ago had an interview with the Saudi owned mouthpiece Al Arabiya recently where he openly admits that he took over Syria to protect Israeli terrorists from Iran and of course he did all that with the support of Erdogan.

To put simply this terrorist helped Israel continue its genocide and terrorism against civilians in Palestine and Lebanon.

Seeing this terrorist having cleaned up and wearing a jacket and tie reminds me of what the great Persian poem Hafez said centuries ago:
گر جان بدهد سنگِ سیه، لعل نگردد       با طینتِ اصلی چه کُند، بدگهر افتاد

He says this as well
بس تجربه کردیم در این دیرِ مکافات         با دُردکشان هر که درافتاد برافتاد

What is worst is that this type of attitude is not new in the West (and those who copy the West)! They have been introducing terrorist organizations as "liberators" for many years just because they created them.

Check out this article from 1993 in an English mouthpiece. You see the picture of a guy smiling accompanied by an article that praises him, calls him a "warrior" and describes him like a simple businessman, a liberator and to put simply a "good guy".


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/antisoviet-warrior-puts-his-army-on-the-road-to-peace-the-saudi-businessman-who-recruited-mujahedin-now-uses-them-for-largescale-building-projects-in-sudan-robert-fisk-met-him-in-almatig-1465715.html

But in 2024 when you read the name of the man they are praising you realize he is Osama Bin Laden, who as you now know is a well known terrorist! Head of al-Qaeda that is responsible for many terrorist attacks in Asia, Europe and even USA in the end.
Why were they praising him back then? Because they created the terrorist organization he was representing and that terrorist organization was local at the time and was doing stuff that benefited them.

So when brainwashed people like paxmao cheers for al-Golani today, I'm not surprised at all because such people are followers of the same mouthpieces which introduced Bin Laden as a liberator and are similarly introducing his follower al-Golani today. The moment his terrorist organization start launching attacks in Europe against what they consider "infidels" then it will be al-Qaeda all over again.

History repeats...

The issue is where the thug majority are presenting themselves as moderate to our press while simultaenously eradicating the actual moderates who may be a minority.

You should never work with thugs or terrorists and only make it clear of the consequences of their continuation of intolerence and violence towards minorities.

Assads regime were thugs but they are gone and it should be made clear to this new regime they won't be spared if they continue on a path of violence towards their citizenry but we no longer are capable of even stopping a few taliban from taking back territory it took years to clear at the cost of the lives of our soldiers along with more weapons and hardware than they could ever dream of that was left abandoned to them so lets face it we are just as bad as they are in the fact we have brought about this whole shitshow through our political classes policies.

What is clear is that the world has to live with whatever is there. If they are thugs, we need to live with them and if they finally show themselves as moderates then the world has to work with them. It is the end of an era for Syria and it was very clear that whatever was there before, it did not bring any chance of peace - not even by military conquest or forced pacification.

I am watching the next few key moves.

All our newspapers have told us that the new "liberators" are moderate and are clearing the former dictators thugs and that everyone is clapping like happy seals at a christmas party in Syria.

The US backed Takfiri terrorists who control Syria today have announced that Christmas is illegal! while referring to Christians as "infidels". Even Christmas decoration is illegal now.

Read again.

By the way the Takfiri terrorists you are cheering because the mouthpieces you follow brainwashed you to cheer, recently launched an attack on a village named خربه الحمام in Homs with artillery killing everyone in the village, men women and children only because of their religion.

You keep shooting yourself in the foot! I won't bother answering your question because you have to answer your own question first.

Israel is a terrorist organization. It has been from its inception. It has been carrying out a genocide in Palestine for 8 decades, and a Holocaust in Gaza in the past year+. There are multiple arrest warrants by the International Court of Justice for the head of this terrorist organization and various commanders of it for acts of genocide, crimes against humanity, raping men women and children that they've taken hostage (tens of thousands of them) in their dungeons, murdering reporters and international aid workers, using starvation as an act of genocide in Gaza, and a lot more.

The regime of the country of your residence is supporting this terrorist organization, is still arming them, funding them and you have troops on the ground participating in the genocide and terrorist attacks. Now that you know they are terrorists and criminals have your views on your own regime has changed? Don't bother to answer, you just have some keywords to repeat.

Russia is a terrorist state? Have you really never heard what NATO did in Yugoslavia? Iraq? Libya? Have you not seen the leaked documents that literally expose the war in Ukraine as being just so a few people can profit from the weapons industry?

The thing is that no matter how bad Assad is, he had a vision he didn't allow giant corporations in his country so it wouldn't become a colony, he overthrew the dollar and used his country's resources for his people instead of selling them to companies, he didn't allow any international banks to operate in Syria and he didn't allow the central bank of Syria to give loans to smaller banks either.

All the things he did are the same that Tito, Saddam and Gaddafi did. They got rid of all of them and destroyed each country one by one. The next in line will be North Korea they will use weather manipulation and create a famine until Kim sells his nukes to feed the masses, then they will destroy it the same way they destroyed each country that stood against them.

You see, it doesn't matter how small or poor your country is - one country standing up to them means the rest might stand up too, and those in power want the entire world to be a borderless place ruled by one government, a place where the masses simply buy their shitty products and wait for the next one without thinking or saving money or anything, simply a mindless creature feeding on garbage.
that dream is currently happing in the US and Canada where the 1% own 99% of the wealth.

The terms "terrorist state" or "war criminal" are used to describe any nation or leader that doesn't bow to their rule, any nation that doesn't allow their internal banking or products, or any nation that refuses to trade their resources for currencies owned by those people (which they can devalue any time they desire).

Wake up and ask yourself why Assad and Gaddafi suddenly became "evil" once they threw out the dollar.
Ask yourself why Russia became a "danger" once it stopped selling gas for euros and dollars.

I use "we" because there are many that think this way, and do not pretend to speak in the name of Syria. You are not Syrian.

Ruzzia as of today is a terrorist state. His president is under an arrest order by the International Cour of Justice along with several key generals for the kidnapping of Ukrainian children. And now that you know they are terrorist and criminals, has you view on Al-Asad changed? Don't bother to answer, you do not care about ethics, just your political agenda.

You should have used "I" here not "we". Syrians don't want to have a terrorist organization most of whom Turks backed by the US regime rule over them and we don't want a terrorist organization to have any kind of power in our neighborhood because it means we would have to endure terrorist attacks, suicide bombers, etc. if we allow that kind of tumor to exist.

I wonder if you would say the same thing if for example Russia had installed a terrorist organization similar to al-Qaeda in Ukraine. Whether you'd tell Ukrainians and Europeans to "accept the rule of terrorists" in their region because "there is no need for further escalation"!

Neutralizing terrorist organizations is not called further escalation, it will be end of escalation. The actual escalation happened a couple of years ago when the US regime decided to train these terrorists. Today that tumor is showing itself and the tumor removal takes time but the escalation NATO started will end after their proxy and themselves are eliminated (or as Arabs call it ازاله) from the region.

It is very different indeed.

There is certainly a degree of white-washing of the new leadership going on in the West, but people are not stupid - this is about having to deal with who is now the leader on the ground, wheter we like it or not, and having to work with what you have to prevent bigger problems.

After so many years of war, you cannot pick and choose as you wish, but you certainly need to give enough space to have some peace and stability in the region. There is no point in trying to solve Siria by further escalating tensions - particuarly now that Europe and the US have bigger things they need to deal with.

Being happy that Assad left Syria is not different from being happy that al-Qaeda has replaced him.

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In any case Syrians have been protesting against the US backed terrorist rule in their country. For example in this video they are saying stuff along the lines of (and I'm poorly translating from Arabic) "We are Muslim, We are Christian, We are united Syrians; We don't want Turkish/Chechen/etc. terrorists ruling our country".

Shortly after the US backed al-Qaeda terrorists burnt the Christmas tree in the town square and destroyed Christian holy places, they also started attacking Alawites and after these terrorists burnt some of their holy places, people rose up.

(update: according to the videos I saw today, these US backed terrorists have been shooting the protesters. Assad was the bad guy, right?).


Meanwhile the Western mouthpieces are trying to change the "image" of the commander of al-Qaeda and ISIS who is now commander of another terrorist group that occupies Syria...