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August 26, 2014, 11:07:31 AM
#37
Umair127,i'm sure the 'they" remind you of America.   (of course most Americans are eager to omit all references to the word 'empire', but......)
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August 26, 2014, 11:05:50 AM
#36
But thank you for distracting a thread intended to point out the difference in response on American politics to your own private bete noirs. I hope to return the favor to you someday.
In other words, you can't dredge up a reply, no matter how weak!

Here's another one trick pony, this time the anti-American is an American....

Washington Threatens The World   http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39372.htm

By Paul Craig Roberts

Ask yourselves, when has Washington told you anything that was not a lie?
You remind me, of that British prince quoted by Tacitus saying to the Roman Senate, "You make a desert and call it peace." As though what he said mattered to those charged with the destiny of western civilization.

I'm sure the Roman Senate would have agreed with my response to he and thee: "You'll get over it."
By the way he said "They are the only people on earth to covet wealth and poverty with equal craving. They plunder, they butcher, they ravish, and call it by the lying name of 'empire'. They make a desert and call it 'peace'".
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August 26, 2014, 10:52:24 AM
#35
But thank you for distracting a thread intended to point out the difference in response on American politics to your own private bete noirs. I hope to return the favor to you someday.
In other words, you can't dredge up a reply, no matter how weak!

Here's another one trick pony, this time the anti-American is an American....

Washington Threatens The World   http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39372.htm

By Paul Craig Roberts

Ask yourselves, when has Washington told you anything that was not a lie?
You remind me, of that British prince quoted by Tacitus saying to the Roman Senate, "You make a desert and call it peace." As though what he said mattered to those charged with the destiny of western civilization.

I'm sure the Roman Senate would have agreed with my response to he and thee: "You'll get over it."
Good to see you did dredge up some piddling reply but what you say were Tacitus' words attributed to the Celtic chief - a calgach  who was addressing his men, not some shitty bunch of foreigners called "the Senate".   
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August 26, 2014, 10:49:44 AM
#34
But thank you for distracting a thread intended to point out the difference in response on American politics to your own private bete noirs. I hope to return the favor to you someday.
In other words, you can't dredge up a reply, no matter how weak!

Here's another one trick pony, this time the anti-American is an American....

Washington Threatens The World   http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39372.htm

By Paul Craig Roberts

Ask yourselves, when has Washington told you anything that was not a lie?
You remind me, of that British prince quoted by Tacitus saying to the Roman Senate, "You make a desert and call it peace." As though what he said mattered to those charged with the destiny of western civilization.

I'm sure the Roman Senate would have agreed with my response to he and thee: "You'll get over it."
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August 26, 2014, 10:41:48 AM
#33
But thank you for distracting a thread intended to point out the difference in response on American politics to your own private bete noirs. I hope to return the favor to you someday.
In other words, you can't dredge up a reply, no matter how weak!

Here's another one trick pony, this time the anti-American is an American....

Washington Threatens The World   http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39372.htm

By Paul Craig Roberts

Ask yourselves, when has Washington told you anything that was not a lie?
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August 26, 2014, 10:33:54 AM
#32
Since your sources conflict regularly with intelligence sources, I'm going to have to go with the professionals, rather than journalists with axes to grind and income to get from their followers. I don't see Assad disputing it to any great degree, pretty much all the world, except for you, is convinced that he is the one who pulled the trigger, so I'm just not worried about your take on who is particularly responsible for the attack on Ghouta..
Of course you can believe the American intelligence community, they always tell the truth.

What interviews with Assad have you seen?  He has denied it often enough in non-American media.

A variety of American official lies....

A Redundant Presidential Ritual
U.S. “Humanitarian” Bombing of Iraq: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39371.htm

By Glenn Greenwald

The U.S. military is not designed, and is not deployed, for “humanitarian” purposes?
Do you think you impress anyone by forwarding links of people who criticize America? I criticize this nation for far more purpose than you or your band of merry bros could ever hope to do with your pipsqueak whinings and moanings. To me, you are just gnats to be waved aside.
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August 26, 2014, 10:28:54 AM
#31
Since your sources conflict regularly with intelligence sources, I'm going to have to go with the professionals, rather than journalists with axes to grind and income to get from their followers. I don't see Assad disputing it to any great degree, pretty much all the world, except for you, is convinced that he is the one who pulled the trigger, so I'm just not worried about your take on who is particularly responsible for the attack on Ghouta..
Of course you can believe the American intelligence community, they always tell the truth.

What interviews with Assad have you seen?  He has denied it often enough in non-American media.

A variety of American official lies....

A Redundant Presidential Ritual
U.S. “Humanitarian” Bombing of Iraq: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39371.htm

By Glenn Greenwald

The U.S. military is not designed, and is not deployed, for “humanitarian” purposes?
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August 26, 2014, 10:28:40 AM
#30
But thank you for distracting a thread intended to point out the difference in response on American politics to your own private bete noirs. I hope to return the favor to you someday.
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August 26, 2014, 10:15:57 AM
#29
Since your sources conflict regularly with intelligence sources, I'm going to have to go with the professionals, rather than journalists with axes to grind and income to get from their followers. I don't see Assad disputing it to any great degree, pretty much all the world, except for you, is convinced that he is the one who pulled the trigger, so I'm just not worried about your take on who is particularly responsible for the attack on Ghouta..
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August 26, 2014, 10:04:30 AM
#28
http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-east/syrian-chemical-attack-spurs-finger-pointing-inside-assad-regime
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Aug 26, 2013 - Exclusive: Split in Syrian regime's military as officers say they were not ... a few hours before the attacks," said a source from a well-connected family, ... in an area on the edge of Damascus known as Eastern Ghouta - once ... issued orders from a "high level" to wear gas masks in anticipation of the attacks.
The delivery system was also through barrel rockets, possessed only by Assad and not the rebels.

You're not worthy of much more, dweeb, than outright mockery when you say something idiotic like you said above, "it has been established..."
So because I say the sarin used was used by the rebels and not the Syrian government you immediately believe the opposite.
no, zolace. Because it doesn't make sense that gas masks would have been dispensed to folks by the regime if they didn't know a gas attack was coming. Is that such a hard thing to grasp?
http://www.envirosagainstwar.org/know/read.php?itemid=14358
According to Hersh, in making their case for war the administration tried to pass off the December intercepts as having occurred in the days prior to the August 21 incident:
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"The former senior intelligence official explained that the hunt for relevant chatter went back to the exercise detected the previous December, in which, as Obama later said to the public, the Syrian army mobilised chemical weapons personnel and distributed gas masks to its troops.

"The White House's government assessment and Obama's speech were not descriptions of the specific events leading up to the 21 August attack, but an account of the sequence the Syrian military would have followed for any chemical attack. 'They put together a back story,' the former official said, 'and there are lots of different pieces and parts. The template they used was the template that goes back to December.'"

Putting together a "back story" is spook-talk for outright lying. There are laws against government officials doing that in testimony before Congress, and it appears those laws were broken.

Let's be clear about what administration officials yet to be identified did: they described NSA intercepts detailing preparations for a military drill that had occurred months earlier as communications sent in the days prior to August 21.
You can come up with all the theories you want. But since it's been pretty well established that Assad is the one who pulled the trigger, quoting Hersh simply doesn't really  make your case. I can go to the internet and find a dozen sources one way or the other on anything, you know it as well as I, but they don't make the case.
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August 26, 2014, 09:57:16 AM
#27
http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-east/syrian-chemical-attack-spurs-finger-pointing-inside-assad-regime
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Aug 26, 2013 - Exclusive: Split in Syrian regime's military as officers say they were not ... a few hours before the attacks," said a source from a well-connected family, ... in an area on the edge of Damascus known as Eastern Ghouta - once ... issued orders from a "high level" to wear gas masks in anticipation of the attacks.
The delivery system was also through barrel rockets, possessed only by Assad and not the rebels.

You're not worthy of much more, dweeb, than outright mockery when you say something idiotic like you said above, "it has been established..."
So because I say the sarin used was used by the rebels and not the Syrian government you immediately believe the opposite.
no, zolace. Because it doesn't make sense that gas masks would have been dispensed to folks by the regime if they didn't know a gas attack was coming. Is that such a hard thing to grasp?
http://www.envirosagainstwar.org/know/read.php?itemid=14358
According to Hersh, in making their case for war the administration tried to pass off the December intercepts as having occurred in the days prior to the August 21 incident:
Quote
"The former senior intelligence official explained that the hunt for relevant chatter went back to the exercise detected the previous December, in which, as Obama later said to the public, the Syrian army mobilised chemical weapons personnel and distributed gas masks to its troops.

"The White House's government assessment and Obama's speech were not descriptions of the specific events leading up to the 21 August attack, but an account of the sequence the Syrian military would have followed for any chemical attack. 'They put together a back story,' the former official said, 'and there are lots of different pieces and parts. The template they used was the template that goes back to December.'"

Putting together a "back story" is spook-talk for outright lying. There are laws against government officials doing that in testimony before Congress, and it appears those laws were broken.

Let's be clear about what administration officials yet to be identified did: they described NSA intercepts detailing preparations for a military drill that had occurred months earlier as communications sent in the days prior to August 21.
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August 26, 2014, 09:53:43 AM
#26
http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-east/syrian-chemical-attack-spurs-finger-pointing-inside-assad-regime
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Aug 26, 2013 - Exclusive: Split in Syrian regime's military as officers say they were not ... a few hours before the attacks," said a source from a well-connected family, ... in an area on the edge of Damascus known as Eastern Ghouta - once ... issued orders from a "high level" to wear gas masks in anticipation of the attacks.
The delivery system was also through barrel rockets, possessed only by Assad and not the rebels.

You're not worthy of much more, dweeb, than outright mockery when you say something idiotic like you said above, "it has been established..."
So because I say the sarin used was used by the rebels and not the Syrian government you immediately believe the opposite.
no, zolace. Because it doesn't make sense that gas masks would have been dispensed to folks by the regime if they didn't know a gas attack was coming. Is that such a hard thing to grasp?
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August 26, 2014, 09:46:01 AM
#25
The problem is that you're not interested in actually addressing issues, zolace, or you would not choose automatically the worst construction possible. You are interested only on bashing on Americans, so that makes anything you say automatically suspect, not because you are anti-American, but because we cannot know that whether you are speaking from fact, or from a twisted perspective, such as the above sarin stuff, that is offered only to support your anti-Americanism.
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August 26, 2014, 09:45:36 AM
#24
http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-east/syrian-chemical-attack-spurs-finger-pointing-inside-assad-regime
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Aug 26, 2013 - Exclusive: Split in Syrian regime's military as officers say they were not ... a few hours before the attacks," said a source from a well-connected family, ... in an area on the edge of Damascus known as Eastern Ghouta - once ... issued orders from a "high level" to wear gas masks in anticipation of the attacks.
The delivery system was also through barrel rockets, possessed only by Assad and not the rebels.

You're not worthy of much more, dweeb, than outright mockery when you say something idiotic like you said above, "it has been established..."
So because I say the sarin used was used by the rebels and not the Syrian government you immediately believe the opposite.
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August 26, 2014, 09:43:11 AM
#23
http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-east/syrian-chemical-attack-spurs-finger-pointing-inside-assad-regime
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Aug 26, 2013 - Exclusive: Split in Syrian regime's military as officers say they were not ... a few hours before the attacks," said a source from a well-connected family, ... in an area on the edge of Damascus known as Eastern Ghouta - once ... issued orders from a "high level" to wear gas masks in anticipation of the attacks.
The delivery system was also through barrel rockets, possessed only by Assad and not the rebels.

You're not worthy of much more, dweeb, than outright mockery when you say something idiotic like you said above, "it has been established..."
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August 26, 2014, 09:39:21 AM
#22
Your monomania is boring, zolace. You are capable of looking at things only through the prism of your futile hatred of this country. Enjoy your moment in the sun--as soon as the black guy is out of office, those cheering you on won't be listening anymore, and they'll instead be laughing, as I do, at a man incapable of thinking for himself.
You can mock without substance if you want to.It has been established that the Assad regime did not use sarin on Syrians, certainly not at the time in question.
What I see of America is that the political spectrum has been dragged so far right by unseen forces that the liberals of today are well to the right of Ronnie Reagan.  I don't see anything there to praise.

I feel Americans could do with a dose of compassion and understanding of others.
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August 26, 2014, 09:36:06 AM
#21
Your monomania is boring, zolace. You are capable of looking at things only through the prism of your futile hatred of this country. Enjoy your moment in the sun--as soon as the black guy is out of office, those cheering you on won't be listening anymore, and they'll instead be laughing, as I do, at a man incapable of thinking for himself.
You can mock without substance if you want to.It has been established that the Assad regime did not use sarin on Syrians, certainly not at the time in question.
Please, go ahead and demonstrate that. Please don't bother bringing links from the immediate aftermath--it is clear that multiple claims were made by multiple interests.

But the clincher is very simple . If the rebels were responsible for the gas attacks, how did Assad's people know to start issuing gas masks three days prior?
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August 26, 2014, 09:28:45 AM
#20
Your monomania is boring, zolace. You are capable of looking at things only through the prism of your futile hatred of this country. Enjoy your moment in the sun--as soon as the black guy is out of office, those cheering you on won't be listening anymore, and they'll instead be laughing, as I do, at a man incapable of thinking for himself.
You can mock without substance if you want to.It has been established that the Assad regime did not use sarin on Syrians, certainly not at the time in question.
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August 25, 2014, 03:21:10 PM
#19
snowden latest scoop: ISIS supreme leader al bagdhadi trained by mossad

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/08/24/376378/baghdadi-mossadtrained-saudifunded/

rofl
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August 21, 2014, 11:49:11 AM
#18
Your monomania is boring, zolace. You are capable of looking at things only through the prism of your futile hatred of this country. Enjoy your moment in the sun--as soon as the black guy is out of office, those cheering you on won't be listening anymore, and they'll instead be laughing, as I do, at a man incapable of thinking for himself.
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