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Topic: Take a look at the future of Bitcoin from the gold standard system - page 2. (Read 462 times)

sr. member
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Gold does not have a clearly total supply like Bitcoin.

It is easily portable like Bitcoin.

You need to have vaults to store gold bars.

I don't think it is as portable as bitcoin. Carrying 100k usd in gold may be quite problematic, and as you said the storage is a lot more complex than using a bitocin wallet.
Gold can be stored physically in vaults. We can open accounts have have credited gold numbers in balance but they are just credited number and we have to rely on banks, vault companies to secure real physical gold bars.

We never know what will happen with them

You're talking about the physical rather than gold and bitcoin.
I see op is not talking about the physical nature of gold and bitcoin, but more inclined to the market concept embraced by bitcoin and gold.
the concept of the market, if gold goes down if the asset is not sold, then there is no loss and can be sold when the price returns to normal, as well as the concept of bitcoin.
Bitcoin is best. Even companies digitalize things, you will not have same level of security, privacy and portability with gold as same as what you can easily have with Bitcoin AND non-custodial wallets. Remember with non custodial wallets, not with custodial wallets or centralized exchanges.
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Gold does not have a clearly total supply like Bitcoin.

It is easily portable like Bitcoin.

You need to have vaults to store gold bars.

You can not send gold from any wallet you control fully. You have to rely on accounts in banks, vaults etc to store or send your gold.

Bitcoin is light, portable, controllable with your private keys and its total supply is unchangeable. 21M Bitcoin will be mined till 2140. No more Bitcoin to mine after 2140.
You're talking about the physical rather than gold and bitcoin.
I see op is not talking about the physical nature of gold and bitcoin, but more inclined to the market concept embraced by bitcoin and gold.
the concept of the market, if gold goes down if the asset is not sold, then there is no loss and can be sold when the price returns to normal, as well as the concept of bitcoin.
legendary
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Non-custodial BTC Wallet
Gold does not have a clearly total supply like Bitcoin.

It is easily portable like Bitcoin.

You need to have vaults to store gold bars.



I don't think it is as portable as bitcoin. Carrying 100k usd in gold may be quite problematic, and as you said the storage is a lot more complex than using a bitocin wallet.

2. Gold has limited portability and divisibility.

Bitcoin only fixes #2, so I don't believe that governments will voluntarily switch to a Bitcoin standard. It will take a failure of their currency and a potential reliance on another country's currency to get them to switch.

Governments and banks already figured out how to increase gold supply. There is a discussion about "paper gold" , where people say that those gold etf might not really have all that gold  backed up, but have some of that value in usd or other assets. It is possible that there is already more paper gold than gold.

In the future it is quite possible that banks will do the same with bitcoin funds and etf... holding physical gold or bitcoin is certain safer.
copper member
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Gold does not have a clearly total supply like Bitcoin.

It is easily portable like Bitcoin.

You need to have vaults to store gold bars.

You can not send gold from any wallet you control fully. You have to rely on accounts in banks, vaults etc to store or send your gold.

Bitcoin is light, portable, controllable with your private keys and its total supply is unchangeable. 21M Bitcoin will be mined till 2140. No more Bitcoin to mine after 2140.


Yes, compared to gold, Bitcoin continues to have advantages similar to gold, and it also has many advantages that gold does not. Compared to gold, Bitcoin is more suitable for world currency preparations. No one can stop this trend.
sr. member
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Gold does not have a clearly total supply like Bitcoin.

It is easily portable like Bitcoin.

You need to have vaults to store gold bars.

You can not send gold from any wallet you control fully. You have to rely on accounts in banks, vaults etc to store or send your gold.

Bitcoin is light, portable, controllable with your private keys and its total supply is unchangeable. 21M Bitcoin will be mined till 2140. No more Bitcoin to mine after 2140.
copper member
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Merit: 234
Bitcoin has certain characteristics as the world's legal currency, but there are also some problems。

Its advantages are:
Bitcoin is limited. Everyone will know this.
Convenient to carry and transfer (Bitcoin can be transferred to others, gold transaction is more troublesome)
Bitcoin is divisible (can be accurate to eight decimal places, the golden section will consume a little)
Bitcoin cannot be counterfeited and stored for a long time,

But Bitcoin now has some problems that prevent it from becoming the world's legal tender:
Bitcoin is currently volatile and no one knows what will happen to the price in the next second
The government's attitude towards Bitcoin has not yet been fully accepted
Therefore, to make Bitcoin a world currency, we need to continue to work hard. I believe that Bitcoin will become the world currency sooner or later!

Yes, the current price of Bitcoin is fluctuating. This is because it is still in the early stages of Bitcoin's development and the value of Bitcoin is still on the rise. When 10 or 20 years later, the total market value of Bitcoin can anchor the entire human economy, and its overall value will no longer fluctuate widely. Just as the price volatility of gold is relatively small now.
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Bitcoin has certain characteristics as the world's legal currency, but there are also some problems。

Its advantages are:
Bitcoin is limited. Everyone will know this.
Convenient to carry and transfer (Bitcoin can be transferred to others, gold transaction is more troublesome)
Bitcoin is divisible (can be accurate to eight decimal places, the golden section will consume a little)
Bitcoin cannot be counterfeited and stored for a long time,

But Bitcoin now has some problems that prevent it from becoming the world's legal tender:
Bitcoin is currently volatile and no one knows what will happen to the price in the next second
The government's attitude towards Bitcoin has not yet been fully accepted
Therefore, to make Bitcoin a world currency, we need to continue to work hard. I believe that Bitcoin will become the world currency sooner or later!
copper member
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no your missing the point
its not about fiat attaining bitcoin as a fiat peg for bitcoin to become a world world reserve for all fiats..

its about OG bitcoiner devs selling out bitcoin progress to institutional investors who want to hoard btc and offer general users who had btc a service to offramp away from the network and lose their btc by being primed into thinking altcoins are better.

much like bankers convinced people that small shiny copper and brass coins were better then getting their gold deposits back

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bitcoin wont replace fiat.
bitcoin was designed as an alternative 'safe room' beside fiat. to hedge against fiat.

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the first game is offer a different medium of exchange..
the next game. is debase the value of the altnet(sidechain/layers) token to no longer be 1:1

Ok, I am further understanding your point. It is believed that the development of Bitcoin in the future will also be diversified. Different countries and institutions may have different strategies. But as a safe room for hedging fiat risks, I fully agree with this point.
legendary
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no your missing the point
its not about fiat attaining bitcoin as a fiat peg for bitcoin to become a world world reserve for all fiats..

bitcoin will never be the "one world fiat currency"
its meant for a second option away from fiat. not to be the only main fiat

my reply is about bitcoins future.. using the gold standard scenario of 1900-1970
OG bitcoiner devs stifled out bitcoin progress to institutional investors who want to hoard btc and offer general users who had btc a service to offramp away from the network and lose their btc by being primed into thinking altcoins are better.

much like bankers convinced people that small shiny copper and brass coins were better then getting their gold deposits back

..
bitcoin wont replace fiat.
bitcoin was designed as an alternative 'safe room' beside fiat. to hedge against fiat.

..
the first game is offer a different medium of exchange..
the next game. is debase the value of the altnet(sidechain/layers) token to no longer be 1:1
copper member
Activity: 154
Merit: 234
bitcoin blockchain is being manoeuvred where its a 'reserve' and its altnets(layers/subnets/subchains/sidechains) that are to be the 'currency tokens/iou notes..for general spend payment system
'coz too expensive to use bitcoin network'
'coz transaction count limits on bitcoin network'

the future is thunderdome: two may enter one may leave
people lock their bitcoin to contract vaults(locks) with some well established custodian/service

then play on other altnets using different denominated tokens(micropayments). offering faster services lower fee's or something.
then at the end of the month when its time to exit the altnet. bitcoin is too high a tx fee to claim the sats back

and so the altnet partner offers the value wishing to be withdrawn, but do so via a cheaper altcoin to exit the altnet (atomic swap)

like how banks offered people nickel, brass, copper in exchange for banknotes
altnet custodians will offer altcoin exits instead of btc exits. 'coz cheaper and faster'

and now the custodian hoards the sats and the person ends up with cheap altcoin
Yes, thank you for your wonderful reply. In the future world currency system, Bitcoin plays more of a role as a store of value. It may not be directly applied to the specific behavior of daily payment, but uses Bitcoin as collateral to issue more stable coins or altcoins, and use these altcoins for daily payments.
legendary
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I believe that there are two reasons why the gold standard failed:

1. The primary reason for the failure of the gold standard is that governments discovered that they could spend as much money as they wanted by switching to fiat. They were no longer limited by the amount of money they had.

2. Gold has limited portability and divisibility.

Bitcoin only fixes #2, so I don't believe that governments will voluntarily switch to a Bitcoin standard. It will take a failure of their currency and a potential reliance on another country's currency to get them to switch.
legendary
Activity: 4186
Merit: 4385
bitcoin blockchain is being manoeuvred where its a 'reserve' and its altnets(layers/subnets/subchains/sidechains) that are to be the 'currency tokens/iou notes..for general spend payment system
'coz too expensive to use bitcoin network'
'coz transaction count limits on bitcoin network'

the future is thunderdome: two may enter one may leave
people lock their bitcoin to contract vaults(locks) with some well established custodian/service

then play on other altnets using different denominated tokens(micropayments). offering faster services lower fee's or something.
then at the end of the month when its time to exit the altnet. bitcoin is too high a tx fee to claim the sats back

and so the altnet partner offers the value wishing to be withdrawn, but do so via a cheaper altcoin to exit the altnet (atomic swap)

like how banks offered people nickel, brass, copper in exchange for banknotes
altnet custodians will offer altcoin exits instead of btc exits. 'coz cheaper and faster'

and now the custodian hoards the sats and the person ends up with cheap altcoin
copper member
Activity: 154
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Previously, I have said that to truly understand the function of Bitcoin in the current human society, history, esp, history of global currency, must be learned. History is repeating every moment, telling the answers of untold unfathomable questions to us. We frequently call Bitcoin “digital gold”, so the past of gold is needed for further predication of the prospect of Bitcoin.

Previously, I have talked about the invention and collapse of Bretton Woods system. The history of human currency for the last eighty years can be briefly divided into three phases:

1.1944~1973. Bretton Woods system. Gold exchange standard is implemented: USD is linked to gold, and the currencies of other countries linked to USD. Gold is adopted as the final value anchor, and a fixed exchange rate is set. Legal tenders of different countries are all valuable;

2.1973~2009. Jamaica system. Gold is demonetized, totally quit its function of currency. Currencies don’t need to be linked to gold any more, leading the world into the age of purely credit money. They can be issued infinitely, entering a floating exchange rate system, and exchange rate is determined by the market;

3.2009~2021. Jamaica system and Bitcoin system coexist. Since 2009, Bitcoin, a kind of super sovereign currency based on mathematics and algorithm, was born, no single strength has the power to control Bitcoin network. Bitcoin gradually demonstrates the features of digital gold, gaining increasing recognition and support.

Then what would happen in the future? We may see:

2040~2140. Bitcoin standard exchange system. All fiats in the world would employ Bitcoin as the anchor, to set up a new global currency and finance structure on the foundation of Bitcoin.

That’s my anticipation, which might take a long time to come true. But I firmly believe that’s bound to happen.

Then what about the currency system before 1944? What’s the regulation then?

Earlier than 1944, the globe uses gold standard currency system, treating gold, the basis of this system, as the universal equivalent yet without USD as the intermediary. Take gold as the standard currency, the exchange rate among different currencies launched by various countries relies on the value of these currencies respectively. Gold can flow freely among these countries. International balance of payment is adjusted automatically.

Gold standard Wiki:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_standard

In 1816, Britain release The Gold Standard Act. Hence gold standard is put into action, encouraging gold to rise to be global currency. In 1871, German announce to adopt the gold standard system, so did Denmark, Sweden, Norway in 1873. After 1870s, this system gets accepted worldwide. The currency systems of many countries are unified step by step, and the gold standard system is evolving from a domestic system to an international one.

International gold standard system has the following characters:
1.Gold can be freely minted, exchanged, exported and imported. Anyone can use gold as the universal currency;
2.Gold can be used to specify the value currency represents. Every currency has a legal value, and currencies of diversified countries have a certain exchange rate according to the value contained in it;
3.Gold has unlimited legal tender and the power of unlimited means of payment;
4.The currency reserves of governments are gold, which is used in international settlements .

Since gold can be transferred freely between countries, which ensures the relative stability of the foreign exchange market and the unity of the international financial market. Therefore, the gold standard is a relatively sound and stable monetary system. However, to prepare for WWI, all governments strengthened their plunder of gold, which severely weakened the free casting and conversion of gold, the export and import of gold suffered great restriction. When the war broke out, the military expenditures of various countries increased drastically, stopping the casting and conversion of gold, prohibiting its import and export, which fundamentally destroyed the foundation of the survival of gold standard. That system completely fell apart.

Reconnecting the history of gold, we can discover that the half century we are now in is the most unreasonable years in the world currency system of the past two centuries. All currencies issued by countries have to be anchored with gold and supported by certain value, no matter during Bretton Woods system or during the century before WWⅡ. But at present, countries in the world can issue legal tender without restrictions. Money is printed just like paper! That led to unlimited issuance of currency and festering inflation. So Bitcoin comes.

Our currently prevailing monetary system has no solid value support, leaving countless potential crises, which will inevitably lead to the outbreak of economic and financial crises, and then the system breaks down. Bitcoin will be chosen since it's similar to gold in some degree and has advantages that gold has not.

When we replace gold with Bitcoin and establish a world currency system centered on Bitcoin, isn't this the reappearance of the gold standard system 100 years ago? But this time, digital gold, Bitcoin takes the place of physical gold.

I believe this is the future of Bitcoin. Bitcoin becomes a currency embraced by the world, allowing the return of the gold standard system. What Bitcoin did is more than creating a brand-new fabric.

My opinion is above. How about you?
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