Taliban gains from US exit from Afghanistan

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Quote from: Wiwo on September 03, 2021, 05:48:41 PM

I read over the news that the US forces that left Afghanistan destroyed all the ammunitions before leaving the region on the last day of the evacuation.

I have made some research on it on social media by reading many blogs and articles as well as some youtube videos, it was found that it wasn't possible for America and its army to relocate all the equipment in very short intervals of time. As you know how many years the army had stayed in Afghanistan so it wasn't practically possible. However, it was found that many types of equipment were either destroyed or were made unusable by the military.

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the answer is in a little keyword that you missed. US didn't "evacuate" Afghanistan, they fled it.
for 20 years they couldn't do anything to taliban so the extremists only grew in number and strength while the number of body bags US produced went up. eventually they had to flee leaving behind $80+ billion!

here is another interesting thing to consider. US is being kicked out of middle east not just out of Afghanistan. they just started evacuating Iraq. you see the balance of power has been changing significantly and it got quicker ever since the big mistakes that Trump made during 2019-2020.

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The Taliban despite their promise of restraint when they took Afghanistan a month ago there is evidence of killings of civilians.
The international community is witnessing the exodus of Afghans since the Taliban assumed the new government in the nation.
The Taliban took over the country demonstrating their triumph to the United States but it is not what the Afghans wanted.
We will see how the new government respects the rights of civilians, especially women who have been violated by the Taliban, this will be a litmus test.

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Quote from: Natsuu on September 12, 2021, 02:55:04 AM

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Quote from: tabas on September 08, 2021, 05:20:26 PM

They have no choice but to leave ASAP and they can no longer bring those equipment with them as there are also a lot of refugees going with their planes.
But who knows if troops will have another reason aside from the bomb attack, they have to recover those arms.

Those arms now belong to the Talibans, there is no way the US troops can get access to it it was a planned game all alone, US mission to strengthen the Taliban and manipulate them against other Islamic militants around the borders.

Thats only an assumption... As disccused before and announced to the public, the exit of US is due to the lack of responsibility from the main gov. to capitalize the support given to them. They lack the motivation to do so, ergo the fall of afghanistan to the Taliban.

So gaining the equipments is the victory of the Talibans. We don't need excessive overthinking over this matter to avoid conflicts as we all face the same enemy.

What did the expect a failure to say? Nothing but putting blames just to cover up their main motive which was to strengthen the Taliban against the Isis-k and the Al-Qaeda, this was the same thing they in Iraq with Isis

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Quote from: BlackViruse on September 11, 2021, 07:20:13 AM

Those arms now belong to the Talibans, there is no way the US troops can get access to it it was a planned game all alone, US mission to strengthen the Taliban and manipulate them against other Islamic militants around the borders.

And this is not the first time such an incident is occurring. Remember what happened in Mosul, when the ISIS just seized all the Humvees and all the heavy equipment from the Iraqi army (originally provided by the United States)? And four decades ago, Americans armed the Taliban with Stinger missiles and CIA training, so that they could kill the Soviet soldiers. And back then, the western media was full of propaganda articles, depicting how the evil godless Soviets were oppressing the poor Muslims in Afghanistan and how Taliban is leading the fightback.

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Quote from: BlackViruse on September 11, 2021, 07:20:13 AM

Quote from: tabas on September 08, 2021, 05:20:26 PM

They have no choice but to leave ASAP and they can no longer bring those equipment with them as there are also a lot of refugees going with their planes.
But who knows if troops will have another reason aside from the bomb attack, they have to recover those arms.

Those arms now belong to the Talibans, there is no way the US troops can get access to it it was a planned game all alone, US mission to strengthen the Taliban and manipulate them against other Islamic militants around the borders.

Thats only an assumption... As disccused before and announced to the public, the exit of US is due to the lack of responsibility from the main gov. to capitalize the support given to them. They lack the motivation to do so, ergo the fall of afghanistan to the Taliban.

So gaining the equipments is the victory of the Talibans. We don't need excessive overthinking over this matter to avoid conflicts as we all face the same enemy.

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Quote from: tabas on September 08, 2021, 05:20:26 PM

They have no choice but to leave ASAP and they can no longer bring those equipment with them as there are also a lot of refugees going with their planes.
But who knows if troops will have another reason aside from the bomb attack, they have to recover those arms.

Those arms now belong to the Talibans, there is no way the US troops can get access to it it was a planned game all alone, US mission to strengthen the Taliban and manipulate them against other Islamic militants around the borders.

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They have no choice but to leave ASAP and they can no longer bring those equipment with them as there are also a lot of refugees going with their planes.
But who knows if troops will have another reason aside from the bomb attack, they have to recover those arms.

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Quote from: franky1 on September 08, 2021, 10:25:00 AM

its as if america wants turbulance and terror to continue to make america look important to need to step in with aid/support and if things go too long without diplomacy. ending up restarting another war.

It's more incompetency than malicious intent. US troops will be back in Afghanistan because a terror threat will eventually harbor, forcing more troops into the region.

Taliban, very progressive folks of course, will surely not allow islamic extremists to consume the country, working along side members of terrorist organizations.

After all, they may (or may not have) allowed an ISIS-K bomber to kill over a 150 people.

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Quote from: Tessnik on September 03, 2021, 04:24:12 PM

if you have been following up with recent happening in Afghanistan, you know that united state announced they full evacuation from the afghan region on the 31st of august, the left behind thousands of military equipment aircraft and fighters jet all belonging to the united state worth billions of dollars.

is the US government supporting the Taliban indirectly or there is a political undertone for their actions?

Why would the US. government be supporting Taliban when they are sending they are sponsoring the country with the equipments, man power and funds that are worth billions of dollars that I think most countries of the world would never have spent on the country. A lots of US soldiers and other collaborating soldiers from different countries have lost there lives due to their pledge to there countries to fight and safeguard their duties in any mission they are sent to.

Many underground news had been going on that the Russian and China government are responsible for the sponsorship of the Taliban to canter the US soldiers and it's alliance to weaken the mission of the US in Afghanistan. It is obvious that due to corruption and other malpractice, Afghanistan government are responsible for there current condition because what made the president to run out of here own shows that there is an hide plan that had being carried to ruin the so call Afghanistan.

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sily thing is that US signed a truce/deal with the taliban that US troops will leave if taliban take control to ensure al-queda do not take over..but america now says it doesnt want to rush into recognising the new taliban governement

thats like doing a deal to opt to replace a CEO of a company. but then have the shareholders then linger around and pretend they dont recognise the new CEO.

by declining recognition is not a sign of wanting to have peaceful diplomatic talks. its a sign of wanting to avoid diplomacy.

its as if america wants turbulance and terror to continue to make america look important to need to step in with aid/support and if things go too long without diplomacy. ending up restarting another war.

what should happen is all the pentagon and whitehouse officials in the planning of the US troop exit should themselves put on their best dress robes and themselves get on a plane into afghanistan and start the diplomatic negotiations of helping set up a free and open election and offer aid and support during the transition period

no guns.. just pens and paper.

saying its going to take months to get translators out and into safezones.. means US has no plans to go in and talk to the taliban(no translators for months)

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Quote from: Wiwo on September 07, 2021, 06:16:00 PM

American exit from Afghanistan is a political plan work and I think the use of government is a playing political power game using the Taliban as a weapon, against other terror groups within the region.

That would be stupid to do in 2021 when this could have been done much earlier in order to achieve the results you are saying.There was the ISIS crisis in 2013-2018 and if US wanted could have done this at those years.

It is not for that they retired troops.Finally a president like US should have long time ago,Joe Biden which said we lost trillion of dollars in a senseless war together with many human lives and he said he is not going to let this happen anymore,we cannot instill democracy in a country where not all the persons want it.Finally a president which I think looks more than others before him for the well being of US citizens.

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The taliban seems to be gaining strength after the announcement of a deadline for US troops to leave afghanistan. They started occupying new important cities border areas the party has been able to capture 50 districts of the country since last may. In the reality of the rise of the taliban the government forces have retreated without any resistance. Because the united states has taken advantage of the taliban in every way politically they are using them.

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American exit from Afghanistan is a political plan work and I think the use of government is a playing political power game using the Taliban as a weapon, against other terror groups within the region.

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Quote from: BlackViruse on September 05, 2021, 09:34:55 AM

Quote from: Tessnik on September 03, 2021, 04:24:12 PM

if you have been following up with recent happening in Afghanistan, you know that united state announced they full evacuation from the afghan region on the 31st of august, the left behind thousands of military equipment aircraft and fighters jet all belonging to the united state worth billions of dollars.

They intentionally put them there since 2001 to build the Talibsn to withstand the oppositional Islam terrorist from entering Afghanistan. The US are usin the Taliban indirectly to fight Al-Qaeda from tèrrorizing the East that was the reason they left all the Arsenal to the Talibans

Am beginning to see things from that perspective with all the support the US government has being giving to the Taliban indirectly have a political interest. The US government is playing a political game. With the arms and arsenal left behind in Afghanistan, the Taliban can withstand any enemy intruder.

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Quote from: Tessnik on September 03, 2021, 04:24:12 PM

if you have been following up with recent happening in Afghanistan, you know that united state announced they full evacuation from the afghan region on the 31st of august, the left behind thousands of military equipment aircraft and fighters jet all belonging to the united state worth billions of dollars.

They intentionally put them there since 2001 to build the Talibsn to withstand the oppositional Islam terrorist from entering Afghanistan. The US are usin the Taliban indirectly to fight Al-Qaeda from tèrrorizing the East that was the reason they left all the Arsenal to the Talibans

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Quote from: Tessnik on September 04, 2021, 05:12:56 PM

Over 1 trillion dollar project wasted taxpayers’ money destroy when the social services are demoralized I know the Taliban will use some of the equipment there, may refurbish them, or use the metal to produce other equipment.

I can't understand why they didn't take all the equipment? they've had a lot of time to be able to get these equipment out bit by bit, it seems like they wanted to show off because they have so much money they can afford to destroy equipment of that high value. I don't believe in the theory that if they destroyed the equipment early the Taliban fanatics would dare attack them, I mean we're talking about the US the Taliban wouldn't be stupid to take advantage of the fact that the US has removed all equipment to attack knowing it will be done that the US would come back in force and take revenge. So why did the US not withdraw these military equipment early?

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Over 1 trillion dollar project wasted taxpayers’ money destroy when the social services are demoralized I know the Taliban will use some of the equipment there, may refurbish them, or use the metal to produce other equipment.

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Quote from: Wiwo on September 03, 2021, 05:48:41 PM

I read over the news that the US forces that left Afghanistan destroyed all the ammunitions before leaving the region on the last day of the evacuation.

Yes, they "demilitarized" all the equipments left behind. They destroyed those equipments so Taliban or anyone can't use it ever again. I don't think US personnel will leave those equipments in good condition. Such a waste of money but they have no other choice before they leave.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/afghanistan-military-equipment-left-behind/

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I read over the news that the US forces that left Afghanistan destroyed all the ammunitions before leaving the region on the last day of the evacuation.

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