Taliban Leadershipeadership Impose Ban on Cryptocurrency in Afghanistan

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Quote from: DrBeer on September 04, 2022, 03:20:49 PM

Let's not confuse strict laws with idiocy and devolutionary development? There are a lot of countries with strict laws, national traditions, religious restrictions, but not many of them strive for degradation and sliding into the Stone Age!
The reason for such an act is extremely clear - it is difficult to manage PEOPLE, educated, enlightened, thinking, and it is impossible to make a flock of obedient sheep out of them. From people who are narrow-minded, undeveloped, afraid to think - it is extremely simple!

I recently read about a journalist from UK who was in custody of taliban - she later accepted Islam because she was so impress of the Afghan guard who was on the door duty. Believe it or not. When she was there he gave her his holy book to read and was very good with her trough out.
The journalist said - after a few years I tried to reach to that Afghan guard - but he was killed in USA war and now she aims to visit his family and build a mosque in that area. What are your comments on this?

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Quote from: CryptoYar on September 04, 2022, 04:46:42 AM

As far as I know, there is a war going on between Isis and the Taliban. which is causing harm to ordinary people. Maybe this is the reason why this "afghan hotel owner" wants America back so that they can live their life peacefully.

Have you witnessed the moment when American C130 flew from Kabul and there were people hanging from the wings and tyes - they thought it is bus or a local train and you can go to other country by hanging in over them - such was frustration of the local
They are scared of Taliban and the fear is still there.

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Quote from: DrBeer on September 02, 2022, 03:50:56 PM

... well, continue to develop the idea logically. Let's assume that you are right, like the writer of that article. If everything is so good, profitable, and the United States has managed to manage drug trafficking and make a huge profit from it, why did they leave such a cozy and profitable place?

yesterday - I met an afgahnai - he was owner of an Afghan hotel here.
I asked him - how are the situation in Afghanistan - he said very bad - and wants American to return to Afghanistan. things were better when Americans were there.

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Quote from: Cryptock on August 29, 2022, 02:46:32 PM

Quote from: Flexystar on August 29, 2022, 12:59:43 PM

I am not surprised with this news because we talking about a country which got forcefully independent and with the most dangerous criminals around the world rules it now. What do we expect from them? They are decision makers based on faulty logics and religious sayings etc. Those guys are literally not thinking straight about anything. No woman empowerment, no this job that job, no foreign relationships! Man that’s gonna take them no where and soon that dynasty will sink to the bottom of ocean. Worlds changing at fastest rate and adoption is much needed all the time. So what can we say about the decision they made about bitcoin or crypto currency? It’s lame.

Taliban are different people and their laws are stricts.
If they have imposed a ban - they make sure that no one deals in bitcoin and they will not let happen in Afghanistan - that is for sure. .

Let's not confuse strict laws with idiocy and devolutionary development? There are a lot of countries with strict laws, national traditions, religious restrictions, but not many of them strive for degradation and sliding into the Stone Age!
The reason for such an act is extremely clear - it is difficult to manage PEOPLE, educated, enlightened, thinking, and it is impossible to make a flock of obedient sheep out of them. From people who are narrow-minded, undeveloped, afraid to think - it is extremely simple!

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Quote from: Flexystar on August 29, 2022, 12:59:43 PM

I am not surprised with this news because we talking about a country which got forcefully independent and with the most dangerous criminals around the world rules it now. What do we expect from them? They are decision makers based on faulty logics and religious sayings etc. Those guys are literally not thinking straight about anything. No woman empowerment, no this job that job, no foreign relationships! Man that’s gonna take them no where and soon that dynasty will sink to the bottom of ocean. Worlds changing at fastest rate and adoption is much needed all the time. So what can we say about the decision they made about bitcoin or crypto currency? It’s lame.

If someone occupies your house, what would be your reaction? Surely you'll go to every extent to get your home back.

Similarly, Afghanistan was/is the Taliban's home, which was occupied by America, so they were trying /fighting to get it back.

Yes, I also do not agree with their harsh policies ( like not allowing girls to study)

but when one says that they did not do well by taking their country back from America. I won't agree.

Quote from: Cryptock on September 03, 2022, 07:16:54 PM

yesterday - I met an afgahnai - he was owner of an Afghan hotel here.
I asked him - how are the situation in Afghanistan - he said very bad - and wants American to return to Afghanistan. things were better when Americans were there.

As far as I know, there is a war going on between Isis and the Taliban. which is causing harm to ordinary people. Maybe this is the reason why this "afghan hotel owner" wants America back so that they can live their life peacefully.

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Quote from: zasad@ on August 31, 2022, 11:14:43 AM

Quote from: DrBeer on August 28, 2022, 04:43:37 PM

For the Taliban, this is part of their "great" plan to return Afghanistan to the "Stone Age"! Trust me, they will succeed.
I perfectly understand why the United States left Afghanistan - you cannot teach people to live like normal people, well and civilized, if they absolutely do not want it!
The problem of the "new" Afghanistan under the control of the Taliban is that in addition to the fact that they will very quickly lead Afghanistan itself to total degradation, they will become a new, yet another center of regional terrorism. It is precisely because the surrounding countries did nothing to try to pull Afghanistan out of this path that the United States spat on this whole idea, and did not want to independently resolve the issues of those who should have been most interested in this.

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/southasiasource/afghanistans-drug-trade-is-booming-under-taliban-rule/
"Afghanistan’s drug economy expanded dramatically after the US- and NATO-led invasion in 2001. The amount of land under poppy cultivation almost tripled between 2002 and 2020, and the country also started to produce cheap methamphetamine using an abundant local plant—ephedra. "
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Or maybe the United States came to Afghanistan for a different purpose, and not to teach local residents to "live like normal people".

... well, continue to develop the idea logically. Let's assume that you are right, like the writer of that article. If everything is so good, profitable, and the United States has managed to manage drug trafficking and make a huge profit from it, why did they leave such a cozy and profitable place?

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Quote from: DrBeer on August 28, 2022, 04:43:37 PM

For the Taliban, this is part of their "great" plan to return Afghanistan to the "Stone Age"! Trust me, they will succeed.
I perfectly understand why the United States left Afghanistan - you cannot teach people to live like normal people, well and civilized, if they absolutely do not want it!
The problem of the "new" Afghanistan under the control of the Taliban is that in addition to the fact that they will very quickly lead Afghanistan itself to total degradation, they will become a new, yet another center of regional terrorism. It is precisely because the surrounding countries did nothing to try to pull Afghanistan out of this path that the United States spat on this whole idea, and did not want to independently resolve the issues of those who should have been most interested in this.

Too bad for them, they are afraid of this kind of change and obviously their Taliban government don’t want to give any freedom to their people since cryptocurrency promotes freedom away from the government control. Sadly, Afghanistan people left with no choice but to follow their government, hopefully they can really stand on their own and stop the terrorism now that they fully control the whole country again, though we cannot expect this one but if you are holding crypto and living in Afghanistan, I’m sure there’s still a way to liquidate your crypto.

There is always a choice!
Part of the inhabitants of Afghanistan left their country. Part - resisted degradation. And most cowardly sat and pretended that they did not influence anything, that the "wise ruler" would decide for them, and in general they had nothing to do with it! In such countries, terrorism, obscurantism, degradation, and many other "charms of the wild Stone Age" come to the "throne". But this is the choice of the majority, and if they do not oppose and do not resist, it means that it suits them!!! And in vain that the United States spent so much effort and money, and the lives of its soldiers, to give a chance to live like people, people who do not want to live normally! So it turns out that Afghanistan is not the only country with such a people ... But they won’t have the capitalist Internet and girls in open clothes, which is so cool, isn’t it worth living in the Stone Age for?

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Quote from: DrBeer on August 28, 2022, 04:43:37 PM

For the Taliban, this is part of their "great" plan to return Afghanistan to the "Stone Age"! Trust me, they will succeed.
I perfectly understand why the United States left Afghanistan - you cannot teach people to live like normal people, well and civilized, if they absolutely do not want it!
The problem of the "new" Afghanistan under the control of the Taliban is that in addition to the fact that they will very quickly lead Afghanistan itself to total degradation, they will become a new, yet another center of regional terrorism. It is precisely because the surrounding countries did nothing to try to pull Afghanistan out of this path that the United States spat on this whole idea, and did not want to independently resolve the issues of those who should have been most interested in this.

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/southasiasource/afghanistans-drug-trade-is-booming-under-taliban-rule/
"Afghanistan’s drug economy expanded dramatically after the US- and NATO-led invasion in 2001. The amount of land under poppy cultivation almost tripled between 2002 and 2020, and the country also started to produce cheap methamphetamine using an abundant local plant—ephedra. "
Darker45 gave a link to the article, 29 post

Or maybe the United States came to Afghanistan for a different purpose, and not to teach local residents to "live like normal people".

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Quote from: Lucius on August 29, 2022, 10:43:38 AM

After 20 years under the Americans and others who were there on a mission to introduce democracy, we now see how successful they were in that. It's only a matter of time before the Taliban are completely back to their old ways (if they haven't already), but as long as they don't engage in terrorizing outside their own country, the West will pretend that there are some good guys out there.

The West is not pretending anything, Taliban is under sanctions, they can't access previous Afghan government's financial reserves and so on. They just realized that Afghanistan is a lost cause.

Quote from: Lucius on August 29, 2022, 10:43:38 AM

After 20 years under the Americans and others who were there on a mission to introduce democracy, we now see how successful they were in that.

Afghanistan doesn't have one ethnicity, instead it has many tribes, and they even speak different languages. They didn't understand why should they live under one single country and government. And a lot of them didn't care if Taliban returned or not, plus the government was very corrupt and weak. So the moment the US soldiers left, it all collapsed. It was impossible to build not only democracy, but any state at all in such conditions. I think it's a valuable lesson for humanity, as it shows that for social change to happen, certain conditions must be met.

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Quote from: Cryptock on August 29, 2022, 02:46:32 PM

Quote from: Flexystar on August 29, 2022, 12:59:43 PM

I am not surprised with this news because we talking about a country which got forcefully independent and with the most dangerous criminals around the world rules it now. What do we expect from them? They are decision makers based on faulty logics and religious sayings etc. Those guys are literally not thinking straight about anything. No woman empowerment, no this job that job, no foreign relationships! Man that’s gonna take them no where and soon that dynasty will sink to the bottom of ocean. Worlds changing at fastest rate and adoption is much needed all the time. So what can we say about the decision they made about bitcoin or crypto currency? It’s lame.

Taliban are different people and their laws are stricts.
If they have imposed a ban - they make sure that no one deals in bitcoin and they will not let happen in Afghanistan - that is for sure. .

They want to fully control their people, freedom will not be the option for them. They have set of rules and better to follow that. If you are still living in Afghanistan better to look for a chance to get away from that place, that place is slowly going back to the old age, and with your crypto most probably you can’t have the power to control it on that place, it will surely put you on a bigger risk.

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Quote from: Flexystar on August 29, 2022, 12:59:43 PM

I am not surprised with this news because we talking about a country which got forcefully independent and with the most dangerous criminals around the world rules it now. What do we expect from them? They are decision makers based on faulty logics and religious sayings etc. Those guys are literally not thinking straight about anything. No woman empowerment, no this job that job, no foreign relationships! Man that’s gonna take them no where and soon that dynasty will sink to the bottom of ocean. Worlds changing at fastest rate and adoption is much needed all the time. So what can we say about the decision they made about bitcoin or crypto currency? It’s lame.

These guys show themselves as saviours of the world come from God. They implement each and everything on the holy book and they fail to follow it. The people needs to follow and they're exempted from it. Anyhow it is none of our business. The people atleast had the freedom of money using cryptocurrencies, now restriction on the same is really bad. It is a country that is being denied support by other nations. At such critical situation the people find good out of the cryptocurrency. As said someday the government might realise the need and make it legal.

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Quote from: Flexystar on August 29, 2022, 12:59:43 PM

I am not surprised with this news because we talking about a country which got forcefully independent and with the most dangerous criminals around the world rules it now. What do we expect from them? They are decision makers based on faulty logics and religious sayings etc. Those guys are literally not thinking straight about anything. No woman empowerment, no this job that job, no foreign relationships! Man that’s gonna take them no where and soon that dynasty will sink to the bottom of ocean. Worlds changing at fastest rate and adoption is much needed all the time. So what can we say about the decision they made about bitcoin or crypto currency? It’s lame.

Taliban are different people and their laws are stricts.
If they have imposed a ban - they make sure that no one deals in bitcoin and they will not let happen in Afghanistan - that is for sure. .

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I am not surprised with this news because we talking about a country which got forcefully independent and with the most dangerous criminals around the world rules it now. What do we expect from them? They are decision makers based on faulty logics and religious sayings etc. Those guys are literally not thinking straight about anything. No woman empowerment, no this job that job, no foreign relationships! Man that’s gonna take them no where and soon that dynasty will sink to the bottom of ocean. Worlds changing at fastest rate and adoption is much needed all the time. So what can we say about the decision they made about bitcoin or crypto currency? It’s lame.

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Quote from: Lucius on August 29, 2022, 11:53:25 AM

I wonder what would happen if Bitcoin was declared legal tender in Afghanistan? Maybe the streets would be full of armed people who would shout Bitcoin Akbar, while on the way they would beat up some kid who was found using FB on his phone or had a song by Miley Cyrus Roll Eyes

Ramp it up a bit!
Imagine if the Taliban would declare Ethereum halal and Bitcoin haram, this would truly be a grab popcorn time!
As for the second part I wished you would have said Justin Beiber so I could have said, well the kid deserved the beating! Grin

Quote from: Lucius on August 29, 2022, 11:53:25 AM

It is incredible how many people think that the Taliban really wanted to change, because in the minds of these people, nothing has changed in the past 50 years, and it certainly won't in the next 500 years.

Yeah, why would the Taliban want to change when their own existence and faith are based on not changing a thing from how things were a thousand years ago?
It was obvious this would happen, they played along for a while to make sure the Americans are not coming back and launching another air campaign, but since the danger seems gone now they have shown their true colors.

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Lol! Is it something very unexpected? We all knew that such kind of blanket ban is coming but we didn't know when it will be coming. Now it's official! I believe Taliban leadership will still use cryptocurrency for terrorism financing for various sleeper terrorist cells they operate in many countries.

Afghanistan is going through a huge humanitarian crisis now. Taliban will destroy everything progressive and focus on religious teachings only. It's very sad to see such nonsense in 2022.

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Quote from: stompix on August 29, 2022, 11:11:53 AM

I wonder why is everyone surprised a totalitarian zealot-like regime would ban anything that isn't explicitly allowed by their holy book, don't we already have history to confirm how they acted before? But it's really funny, every country that acts like an enemy of the US and wants death to the dollar is also against Bitcoin, while the US is quite the opposite, makes you think things for a bit.

Maybe they think that things have changed in that country because the peacekeepers have gone home? It is incredible how many people think that the Taliban really wanted to change, because in the minds of these people, nothing has changed in the past 50 years, and it certainly won't in the next 500 years.

I wonder what would happen if Bitcoin was declared legal tender in Afghanistan? Maybe the streets would be full of armed people who would shout Bitcoin Akbar, while on the way they would beat up some kid who was found using FB on his phone or had a song by Miley Cyrus Roll Eyes

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on August 28, 2022, 07:18:34 PM

Not sure if I'm buying any of this mainstream media nonsense--for all we know, this could just be anti-crypto propaganda driven by an agenda none of us know about. Kind of like all of those stories about bitcoin's use in money laundering and crime and so forth, none of which detract from its value as a currency or store of value.

I mean, this is a Bloomberg article for Christ's sake. That's as agenda-driven and mainstream as it gets. Take all of this with an enormous chunk of salt.

Why don't you make a trip out there to see it with your own eyes, but I think you would be better with no jeans, no shirt, no usa flag on anything and better keep your mouth shut and not speak a word in English. Also, burn your passport as some really bad things happen to the ones coming from certain countries.
Of course, whatever I say can be also taken for western propaganda, that's why I'm saying, go down there and see it with your own eyes! Cheesy

One thing you can be sure of, I will do miss you! Cheesy

Out of pure curiosity, is cointelegraph and their sources also mainsteam media?
https://cointelegraph.com/news/what-the-taliban-crackdown-means-for-crypto-s-future-in-afghanistan

I wonder why is everyone surprised a totalitarian zealot-like regime would ban anything that isn't explicitly allowed by their holy book, don't we already have history to confirm how they acted before? But it's really funny, every country that acts like an enemy of the US and wants death to the dollar is also against Bitcoin, while the US is quite the opposite, makes you think things for a bit.

Quote from: zasad@ on August 28, 2022, 09:37:54 AM

It was when the Americans controlled Afghanistan that drug production grew there.

And it was the Russians buying it, directly from Russia today:
https://www.rt.com/news/afghanistan-opiates-heroin-ivanov-140/
https://www.rt.com/news/un-report-russia-heroin/

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Russia has become the biggest consumer of Afghan heroin with 21% of all the drug consumed in the world, as of the latest UN Office on Drugs and Crime report “Addiction, Crime and Insurgency” published on October 21. According to the report, no less than 70 tons of heroin were trafficked to Russia in 2008 – that’s three times more than to the US and Canada together, and much more than previously estimated

Oh, what times, when Russia Today was actually reporting stuff, not used just for propaganda!
Do you remember those times? When you were free to talk about everything?

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on August 28, 2022, 07:00:28 PM

Can't spell "Taliban" without "ban" Grin

And then someone else wonders why those ban-maniacs finally banned cryptocurrencies, when in that country they ban even music and television.

Quote from: hatshepsut93 on August 28, 2022, 07:00:28 PM

Jokes aside, it's not surprising that a country with crumbling economy and religious fundamentalist government would ban crypto, these types of people see freedom as a threat to their rule. The good news is that Bitcoin was created to operate in any conditions, including under threats from government, so its users in Afghanistan will still have access to it, they just need to be extra careful to not get caught.

After 20 years under the Americans and others who were there on a mission to introduce democracy, we now see how successful they were in that. It's only a matter of time before the Taliban are completely back to their old ways (if they haven't already), but as long as they don't engage in terrorizing outside their own country, the West will pretend that there are some good guys out there.

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The taliban could gain by authenticating their opium trade using a blockchain ledger to verify the integrity of inventories. The legal marijuana industry is a great blueprint of this. The taliban must be very concerned about the environment and climate change. They will make a hard commitment towards carbon neutrality. Forgo things which mainstream media claims are gateways to money laundering. Of course, the questionable nature of their opium industry will continue without interruption. Most will not link a high number of opium fatalities worldwide to afghanistan or the taliban. It could be safe to say there are a few conflicts of interest present.

It is known that islam contains teachings against usury banking with high interest rates. Its literally against their religion. Which could mean islam supports technologies like bitcoin on a fundamental level. The motive behind the taliban disavowing crypto becomes an interesting topic. Due to the circumstances and conditions surrounding the stance.

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What a reason, to control people's asset? Well, I almost forgot that it's the Taliban government and they're not different from the communist parties that are reigning in other countries.

Well, whether they impose a ban, will they be able to trace those Afghans that will have transactions and will use some VPN to avoid connected to their networks?

I don't think that they have that technology or even they do, it's close to impossible.

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