Topic: Taxing is legalized robbery - page 4. (Read 4253 times)

I agree. Taxation is legalized theft.

If I were to mow your lawn without asking you, present you with a bill and then threaten you to pay, of course that would be consider an act of coercion. Taxes are no different than this.

Basically a room full of people get together, invoke political ritual and all of a sudden the theft is ok because it was passed as "legislation".

Nobody is against feeding the poor, having health insurance, employment insurance, pensions, etc., but ALL of these things can be provided on a voluntary basis by privately competing organizations.

Bitcoin may not change things on it's own, but I believe the idea of crypto-currencies in general will.

When evading taxes and the punishment associated with it becomes as easy and risk free as downloading mp3 files everyone will do it. No more stuffing cash under your mattress to avoid leaving a paper trail. Just use an anonymous coin and be your own bank. Nobody will be able to tell how much money you have!

in that case, i agree with u
for example is blockchain. honestly at the beggining i dont know that every transaction is have a tax (10000 satoshi/transaction) and i realized that yesterday-_- when i reedem my faucets

Well I am actually not even trying not to pay taxes. I am OK with taxes if the amounts are fair and I know where my money is going, where is being invested. But we all know this is very hard to achieve even in more transparent democracies.

The important question is why is everybody looking out to avoid taxes? if one want to revolutionize taxation and currencies, why not amend rules regarding taxation and currencies altogether? Also, there is already rules and regulations regarding taxes and most of us already do pay taxes when a transaction takes place, other than that they are treated as capital gains. There is a more detailed explanations on the internet, give it a read

I am not sure bitcoin will change that. Countries will want to tax bitcoin as well as any Fiat money out there if they are going to recognize us. We will have to comply with their laws.

If we reject this, than they will make us illegal. I am really not sure what is the best thing to do. Taxes are among us since forever, this is the way politicians live. Can we really stop taxes altogether? I don't believe so.

Very tricky question!

There are people out there who believe that bitcoin can help them avoid tax but that's false. You need to pay tax of bitcoin too whenever a taxing event occurs. Bitcoins are taxed as capital gains, usually. Capital gains is taxed depending on how long you’ve held the asset.  If you’ve had the asset for a year or less then it’s a short-term capital gain. If you’ve held the asset for more than a year  then you have a long-term capital gain.

Nothing new here. Especially in my country. It's an open source of robbery if you'd ask me. They're everywhere even on the smallest things.

Please, not all taxes are legalized robberies!
I accept taxes to keep the streets safe and clean. The problem is that a very little part of the taxes I'm paying actually end up financing things I support. Just look at some public schools which turn good kids into socialist w*nkers who'll spend their entire lives begging for state money.

you're probably not going to convince a lot of people that taxing is robbery. that's an incredibly extreme point of view that is completely at odds with living in a developed industrial nation.

i would like to know where the taxes i pay are spent soo maybe a blockhain or bitcoins could explain where government spent it,but wont happen politicians wont let that happen 100 % transparecen wont happen never they show what they wanna to show.

I'm not entirely sure how Bitcoin is nontaxable.

Some socialist ideas make sense to me. It's situational. If I lived with 100 people on an island I think it would works fine, but socialism does not scale well, IMO. But mostly I'm not an anarchist. I have had the displeasure of living in an anarchy.
Now could those things happen without taxes. Somewhat. Firefighting was a pay for use service in the U.S. 100 years ago. If you did not pay the firehouse, your house burned down. This system was replaced by public firefighting all over the world because it is better. Same with policing. You can have private police, but they are not going to enforce the law, just the laws their sponsors want.
Private roads were also normal in the past. Which is why so few traveled in the 19th. century. The roads were not coordinated and it was extremely hard to even leave the county you were born in. When public highways emerged it was a key part of exploding the economy. Same with free public education. More than most any other factor it moved millions of people out of poverty and transformed our country for the better. That is because there is no model for profitably educating the poor. How would they pay?
You may feel oppressed for paying taxes, but you would still pay. And you would still be oppressed. Without a government some other entity would fill the vacuum and simply take whatever they wanted from you. I know I would. I would kill anyone in my way and offer an AK-47 and a percentage of the loot to anyone who will join my raids. I would sell slaves, demand tribute, you would not like me.
 

Yes the taxes are ripping us off. The big amounts of money collected with the taxes are used for our best sake, but also there is percentage that goes in the pockets of the politicians. That is the harsh truth, we vote them to represent us and they still our money.

I am with you guys who think our taxes are often wasted, or spent on the wrong stuff. But the basic idea of taxation is a good one as long as the proceeds go toward the common good. IMO it's not robbery (yet) in the U.S., just poor governance.

I am not against taxes as long as I am able to see that money from it are being used in a good way. I am tired of government wasting money and 'investing' it in a bad way.
Authorities behave like these money are theirs to waste on anything. I don't like that my money are used in a wrong way...

Hopefully in the future politicians will be forced to use a public Bitcoin address where we can see where all our funds go for. This would be ideal and would end corruption.
Of course i doubt this will ever happen, who is going to force them to do so? They will simply get rid of cash and keep running their closed credits system, a dream for the corrupt elite, not even cash will make people free in next decade.

I am not completely against the taxing system but some countries are really abusing it and that is because their companies suck at manifacturing/innovation/sales.

So mr. president says, if you dumbasses don't produce anything valuable at all, then you have to pay extra moni for anything luxury you consume (like big cars, expensive jewelry bla bla bla) and more moni from everything you gain.

Tbh, i support taxes on luxury consumptions but income taxes?? No sir. That is my money. Stay the fuck away from it.

Max income tax percentage should be %20.

%10 from low gainers, %20 from whales. And that is because i am nice.

You didn't finish your thought. 

When I ordered a round of beers at the pub last night, the tax came to about 100 millies.  I don't feel this was robbery, in fact i was eager to pay the tax to support the establishment.  If there is an institution you speak of that for which you are not eager to pay the tab, then name it.   Otherwise you aren't saying anything specific enough to comment on. 

Yeah, I hate it when thieves break into my house, steal my money; then use it to build roads, pay firefighters, and educate my kids. Fricken thieves.

Tax evasion using bitcoins is still tax evasion.
So bitcoin can't reduce taxes for people who want to play by the rules.