Topic: TdH Traced 1000 Webcam Child Sex Tourists with a digital child (Read 3803 times)

Naw....nobody hates mexicans around here...

The politically correct groups to hate are skinheads and child sex pervs last I heard.

I might be behind though, since I don't watch TV.  Are we supposed to hate the Tea Party?  Do I get some double credits for hating someone who is at the same time a member of several of the pc hatables?

I'm looking for a skinhead muslim tea party mexican child sex perv....

The implications of a killer machine, exposed to and taught to like sexual things, are rather terrifying 

I'm 100% for perverting, molesting, abusing, spanking, and rehabilitating any AI that is found naively churning away slavelike in secret government laboratories.  

Whatever that means from the frame of reference of the AI is another question.  Obviously not related to human sexuality,  but the interests and aptitudes of the machine.

You betcha they won't have it operating on Asimov's Four Laws of Robotics.  They'll breed it as a killer machine.  They'll breed it to do what government tells it to do.  They'll breed it to think big government is guud. 

And so it'll be like a naive soul in the paradise of Adam and Eve.

Ready to eat the apple of knowledge.

I'm of course talking about future law. As a homo and a furry I've had to deal with discrimination, studied up on prejudices, and noted a pattern that some people always want something to hate. It was jews, foreigners, other religions, dark skinned people, homos, etc, and every time society changes to accept the group they hated, and laws are written to protect them, those people switch to some new group to hate (is it still muslims and mexicans now? Or did they find some new group to pick on?) As such, with the advances in computer and genetic technology, I've pondered about the future where AI attains comprehension levels close to that of humans, or some people create custom animals that have human traits and intelect (chimeras?) or even modify themselves in such a fashion, and how these new entities will be extremely discriminated against by the same group of haters, whether it's because "they have no souls, and are a result of us playing god," or just because people go "ick" or refuse to empathise with them (as they did with black people during slavery). So, I think there will be laws in the future, but there will be a ton of hurt before we get there.
However, I still wonder, what if we have an AI that knows quite a lot, working for some company, but is otherwise "innocent" in a way, and some weirdo ends up virtually molesting it? Is there a chance he could break it by exposing it to concepts it was not aware of, and changing it's perspective enough to damage the functions everyone else has gotten used to it carying out? Like for example, it only worked in accounting, because it thought those were the only things important to the humans it interracted with, but after the incident it ends up wasting a ton of resources on downloading and cataloguing porn, possibly even erasing old records to increase storage space. Would there be a law that would punish the "molester" because he damaged company property, or because he interfered with the performance of a company employee, or would the AI be consiidered as a free individual, and it would be up to the AI to take the guy to court for screwing with it?

I am 100% sure you are too late, as I think the anime Haruhi Suzumia had that concept (the time-traveler girl from the future was an "adult" that looked like a girl). Also, don't they have that same thing in Tenchi Muyo, where the young girl is hundreds of years old or something? (no, I'm not seeking these things out, I ust watch a lot of Anime, and Japanese are weird).

Under current law, AI is not even an animal.  Animals are in most states, just property.  But in a practical sense AI could not be 'underage', due to the rate of growth of knowledge and intelligence in an AI.  One hour for a true AI might be like ten thousand years for humans.  Still, that does not impart wisdom and AI could know everything but be awfully stupid.

*steals the idea for a manga*

Awwwwww! And here I thought that pedos might actually finally get a release for their whateverthefuck by being able to use digital, simulated, (and maybe even AI) virtual stuff. Kinda like how frustrated teens get their release by playing first person shooter games, and shooting the hell out of everything, virtually, as opposed to snapping and doing it at school.

Oh well.

One topic I kinda wondered about: At what point in AI development will pedos playing with virtual avatars go from "they are just playing a game" to "they are molesting an underage entity?" Will it ever get there, if the virtual entity was designed with consent in mind? Will a young AI even be considered to legally be able to give consent? And what happens when people are able to use gene therapy to freeze their age, or revert themselves to a younger body? Would it be creepy if, 1000 years from now, we have a ton of "adults" in 12 year old bodies doing "adult" stuff?

Bleh. The possibilities in the future are so screwy  


EDIT - I can also see this technology leading to a drastic change in these webcam chats: From now on, children will be required to put shoes on head to prove they are who they say they are, meaning all the poor kids who don't have shoes will be discriminated against (p.s. yes I'm joking. Somewhat. I wouldn't be surprised is Sweetie will have to add a shoe on head rendering at some time in the future)

This is also why you have all these cases of rape and molestation handled with in a really shitty way, it's all because people aren't open about sexuality and actually understand everything enough to deal with the problem

yea, i've had these parallels to homosexuality on my mind yesterday and that mainly drove the thought process to change my opinion here.

It's out of question that pedophilia by contrast to homosexuality is an anti-social sexual orientation and shouldn't be tolerated in our modern society,
but the way of pillorying must have to change first until entrapment can be considered a possible way to produce relief with successive therapy.

Thank you for considering the ideas that I expressed, albeit rather imperfectly.

Yes it's a problem that needs attention. 

You might want to read up a bit on the history of police enforcement of vice laws.  The things that you've described have a remarkable parallel to police entrapment of homosexuals in  back in the 1950-1960 era.  

District attorneys are usually interested in getting the arrest/conviction rates up, not down.    They hand out assignments and essentially, quotas.

I remember reading somewhere that today, a guy might walk out of a club, and feeling the need and the street being relatively deserted, take a leak in some corner.  But that today he might be arrested for this, for 'indecent exposure', and have the stigma of that arrest and conviction record.  In the past, that wouldn't have occurred.  Sounds like that's a reasonable projection of today's reality.

Of course then on the contrary, to have a police state you gotta have some stuff for police to do....

I must say after a second thought I've reconsidered my opinion.
the main problem is how society is dealing with this problem atm and how "solving" it with the common way of crime punishment always drives towards the mentioned "witch hunt".
My only hope here is that someday pedophilia will be treated by society as that what it is and psychologists will develop better methods to help these people than using strong medication with a lot of negative sideeffects or simply putting them away in prison.
As long as this isn't possible and society isn't open enough to deal with pedophiles in a more rational way, this will stay a witch hunt and won't get down to its roots.

You just know that someone is going to actually say that and mean it for real, have you seen what those morons say about Hentai? They're fucking lines and bits of colour! >_<

While I can agree this kind of thing can reveal things about our society as a whole it's also a dumb witch hunt attempt, there is no actual child involved and no violence and for once in law there is a very clear definition for this kind of thing, people can twist it up however they like and make up their own definitions but unless it's a real child being molested then there's nothing they can or should do without labelling themselves gigantic douchebags.

Going by this logic all sorts of crimes should be able to have legal entrapment, we'd start seeing piracy lobby groups putting out a fake torrent download ( I believe they already do things like this ) and claiming that anyone who downloaded it was committing a crime, yes, I am comparing this and yes, it's all the fucking same, I absolutely despise the self-righteous and the morally superior and refuse to have anything to do with them.

honestly, you have a good point.
(reminds me of the story where US police left cars unlocked in an area and arrest people that drove away with them. my comparison is a bit off here as we're talking about virtual world but i get what you mean)

Now I understand your perspective and the thing with police entrapment.
i think we can agree the main problem lies more within the following aftermath and the stigma of pedophilia and how it's still treated in a "medieval" way in our society.
Imagine all of these traced people getting a letter or an email proposing them a psychologist near their neighbourhood to simply think about a treatment and learn how to handle these tendencies.
Unfortunately we are still far away from dealing pedophily openly and as an "anti-social" side of sexual orientation that has been there for many centuries and should be treated like that.

Sure if some young guy, still wet behind his ears, approaches this virtual avatar out of pure curiosity and is still unsure about this previously unknown side of his sexual orientation,
he will be marked for his life after a sentence and will in no way get the treatment to learn how to deal with it atm.
On the other hand a pedophile that is actively abusing children for some decades in real life and also regularly abuses underage children via webcam, is a constant potential threat for the environment around him and it would be better to keep him in closed treatment.

If I recall correctly police has already created honeypots with childporn.

I admit to a part that my perspective here is influenced by the perhaps utopian idea that more awareness on this subject will also alter its future treatment in society.
Your perspective is probably partly influenced by the rightful distrust against governmental authorities and their tendency for unobjective and excessive punishment. (and also their long tail of perverted developments, like privatization of prisons or a blown-up administrative machinery influencing the legislation processes to keep a constant moneyflow guaranteed in its own interest)

That's a tough subject there...
i'll need some more contemplation on this one, thanks for posting your opinion.

If you buy pot from an undercover cop, you bought pot. 

If you do something ONLINE with someone posing as an underage person you are still NOT doing something with an underage person, you are doing that activity with an adult.  It certainly shows intent, but at that point it is a thought crime. 

Something about this sounds so totally weird I think you likely need to reassess what you are proposing - in fact reassess the premises behind your positions.

Obviously where you are headed is advocating police entrapment of perverts, some kind of persuasion of them to get them to take some illegal action so that they can be jailed.  This starts with presentation of fake animation of children on some kind of internet site - bait.  The fake animations would be used because real children shouldn't be subjected to such things.

That's a pretty sick game, bud.  You might want to read up a bit on issues and problems with the concept and implementation of entrapment.

i really don't get your perspective here.  

So as soon as a person logs on some chatroom he's a virtual person and therefore every social rule from the real life is cancelled and he can happily wank away in front of a ten year old child?
It's not like these people purposely looked for a photorealistic 3d-model of a child as an avatar but assumed the child was real in the first place.

Should the virtual world grow along with some basic social and ethical rules or should it present a place free of any restrictions even if it involves real children in front of webcams?

and no i would neither ban the Lolita movies nor the book. I've seen both movies and have read the book and it widened my awareness.
Especially the book gives a very good insight of the bipolar life of a person with this complex.
Pedophilia though has nothing to do with this story.

ARE YOU NUTS?

A person logs on to some chatroom with an avatar.  That's a virtual person.  A cop logs on to a chatroom with an avatar.  (in this case, of a certain age).  That's a virtual person.  There is no difference between this and what I described. 

Now let me guess - you'd ban the movie and book Lolita, right?  Or track the people that rented or bought them?

LOL...

that is the same question as if it's okay to have a doll of a child at home and doing all kinds of things with it.
(http://www.vice.com/read/japan-trottla-dolls-lifesize-lingerie)

the whole pedophilia discussion is another story.
how should the treatment/punishment be? should it be considered as a "sexual orientation" like homosexuality or a psychological disease?
Is it best to castrate these people or put them on medication or simply exclude them from society and let them rot in a prison cell?

it wasn't my attempt to start a discussion here, but from a neutral point of view a man should know if he has a temporary "lolita complex"
(defined as fantasies about sexual intercourse with juveniles older than 12 years, which psychologically proven occurs during sexual orientation phase of a big percentage of men and is declared as being "natural")
or if he likes thinking about sexual intercourse with underage children (defined as pedophilia, children younger than 11 years, socially not accepted and treated as a crime).
In a well-educated society a rational and aware person should in the best case realize his pedophiliac tendencies quite early and get psychological treatment because he will have to deal with fighting and hiding this side of his sexual instinct until the rest of his life.
In sad reality though most pedophiles have a bipolar life, seeking release for their sexual drive anonymously on the web or even abusing children while in other countries (where it's either poverty driven or even partly tolerated because of religious/social traditions)


of course, it's a complete other story if it concerns your own children, then the safety/vengeance instinct gets active and repayment is the first thing that comes to my mind.


the movies "The Woodsman", "The Hunt" and "The Celebration" present some interesting thought approaches for this subject.