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Quote from: paxmao on February 27, 2021, 07:14:01 PM

The "FAANG" (Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix, Google) are now near a monopolistic position in their core areas and they are using it to make extra profits. But the are winds of war, e.g. Apple disallowing segmentation for Facebook and Google or charging in in-app purchases to third parties.
Apart from Facebooks try with Libra, is there anyway they could start competing on the blockchain world? My take is that they should.

Sooner or later they would really be possibly be on that way where these companies will really consider on competing in the blockchain world but lets not expect for those things for now
because they do all have the control on what they should gonna do since these are big companies where capable on doing things on what they do have in mind.When it comes to competition
they dont really care about friends or connections because this is a market on where only the fittest will survive and this is where changes and innovation would really be needed
no matter whey do came from and what form would it be.

Competition is the engine of progress, and high-tech companies by their status seem to be obliged to be progressive, and because of the magic power of competition, and even at the forefront of progress. However, in a very large number of cases, this is expressed in the giant buying a small competitor with giblets, which on the one hand makes the company "more progressive", and on the other hand removes another source of potential competition from the market Wink

The topic of corporate cryptocurrencies is slowly beginning to capture the minds of their management, but you need to understand that government regulators are not asleep and can regard this as an option for corporations to escape from the restrictions and controls that are inevitable in the case of loans and the issue of shares.

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Since they are starting to hoard cryptocurrencies and bitcoins as their backup asset, I believe the war between these companies have already begun. Facebook is on the lead with them pioneering Libra, and if the timing is right, they can literally win this war on their own, since we all know here in the cryptocurrency industry, whoever goes in first wins.

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Quote from: paxmao on February 27, 2021, 07:14:01 PM

The "FAANG" (Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix, Google) are now near a monopolistic position in their core areas and they are using it to make extra profits. But the are winds of war, e.g. Apple disallowing segmentation for Facebook and Google or charging in in-app purchases to third parties.

Apart from Facebooks try with Libra, is there anyway they could start competing on the blockchain world? My take is that they should.

Sooner or later they would really be possibly be on that way where these companies will really consider on competing in the blockchain world but lets not expect for those things for now
because they do all have the control on what they should gonna do since these are big companies where capable on doing things on what they do have in mind.When it comes to competition
they dont really care about friends or connections because this is a market on where only the fittest will survive and this is where changes and innovation would really be needed
no matter whey do came from and what form would it be.

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Quote from: paxmao on February 27, 2021, 07:14:01 PM

The "FAANG" (Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix, Google) are now near a monopolistic position in their core areas and they are using it to make extra profits. But the are winds of war, e.g. Apple disallowing segmentation for Facebook and Google or charging in in-app purchases to third parties.

Apart from Facebooks try with Libra, is there anyway they could start competing on the blockchain world? My take is that they should.

You mean they should start making their own crypto currencies or coins? ...

Once they see that Apple and Google are looking at making their own crypto currencies, naturally (at least most of the people) will try to learn more about crypto currencies. ...

Yes, that would be a way forward. With your own chain you are all the sudden a bank and a transfer system. Just imagine the economic energy of Apple or Facebook customer base captured by "Applecoin". All the sudden you have millions adopting the coin and Appel grows into a immense Fintech that might someday be larger than the current company.

Is just like starting a bank, but you already have millions of clients from day 0, some of them unable to access the traditional banking system and all linked to a platform that is known for growing virally.

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Quote from: paxmao on February 27, 2021, 07:14:01 PM

Apart from Facebooks try with Libra, is there anyway they could start competing on the blockchain world? My take is that they should.

No, because their crypto currencies would be centralized ones. They couldn't compete with bitcoin, ethereum and so many other decentralized altcoins.
Libra (now called Diem) is a good example of how this competition isn't going to happen. It will be a stable coin like many others which already exist and are even more trustful in my opinion, moreover investors are looking for speculative crypto currencies which they can make profit by holding and trading. It's not the case of these big corporations' crypto currencies.

Actually if I wanted to associate myself to any of these corporations you mentioned I would buy their stocks rather than their crypto currencies.

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Quote from: paxmao on February 27, 2021, 07:14:01 PM

The "FAANG" (Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix, Google)

I like this abbreviation Grin

About the OP title, I don't think they were our friends. They get our wallet, time, and personal data. Truly a shitty friend.

Quote from: paxmao on February 27, 2021, 07:14:01 PM

Apart from Facebooks try with Libra, is there anyway they could start competing on the blockchain world? My take is that they should.

They are too late. Many companies, including IBM, Alibaba, nChain, etc., already have lots of patents. They (FAANG) should explore and do more research if they want to be relevant in the future.

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Quote from: paxmao on February 27, 2021, 07:14:01 PM

The "FAANG" (Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix, Google) are now near a monopolistic position in their core areas and they are using it to make extra profits. But the are winds of war, e.g. Apple disallowing segmentation for Facebook and Google or charging in in-app purchases to third parties.

Events such as these have occurred for awhile now.

Quote

Microsoft quietly dumps Windows OpenGL support

Nov 29 1999

https://www.theregister.com/1999/11/29/ms_quietly_dumps_windows_opengl/

...

Quote

Apple Disables Flash for OS X Over Security Concerns

Sep 11th, 2013

https://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/apple-disables-flash-for-os-x-over-security-concerns

...

A motive behind these aggressive measures may sometimes be identified.

Microsoft owns and runs Direct X which is a direct competitor to OpenGL. Which was their motive for dumping OpenGL support.

Apple owned internet video and audio codecs which were competitors to adobe flash. Which could explain their motivation for dumping flash support.

It may be too early to identify apple's motive for these moves. Perhaps in the days to come things will become clearer.

On a similar topic, there are always discussion why Apple does not use it's platform to build a search engine to compete with Google. Some think that Apple clients actually do want google to be their default engine, some people argue that Google is technologically dominant. My take is that for now, there is enough open market to grow for all the giants, but when that shrinks it may be open war.

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Quote from: Renampun on March 04, 2021, 01:02:50 PM

Quote from: paxmao on February 27, 2021, 07:14:01 PM

The "FAANG" (Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix, Google) are now near a monopolistic position in their core areas and they are using it to make extra profits. But the are winds of war, e.g. Apple disallowing segmentation for Facebook and Google or charging in in-app purchases to third parties.

Apart from Facebooks try with Libra, is there anyway they could start competing on the blockchain world? My take is that they should.

in the next few years, they will be left behind if they do not take advantage of blockchain technology...
Blockchain technology can not only be implemented in cryptocurrencies but can also be applied in many ways and it will help a company. Blockchain is the newest technology and they have to try it, make it sound like a company keeping up with the changing times.

They will adopt this as demands will push them to do so. Incoming years more and more business will step inside and use the system, those known companies that being mentioned will have no other options but to accept.
Moving forward, for now existing coins are good enough if those known businesses will start to use crypto for thier payment transactions,
unless they'll venture deeper like what FB intend to do with Libra.

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Quote from: paxmao on February 27, 2021, 07:14:01 PM

The "FAANG" (Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix, Google) are now near a monopolistic position in their core areas and they are using it to make extra profits. But the are winds of war, e.g. Apple disallowing segmentation for Facebook and Google or charging in in-app purchases to third parties.

Apart from Facebooks try with Libra, is there anyway they could start competing on the blockchain world? My take is that they should.

in the next few years, they will be left behind if they do not take advantage of blockchain technology...
Blockchain technology can not only be implemented in cryptocurrencies but can also be applied in many ways and it will help a company. Blockchain is the newest technology and they have to try it, make it sound like a company keeping up with the changing times.

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Quote from: adzino on March 02, 2021, 02:59:09 PM

Quote from: paxmao on February 27, 2021, 07:14:01 PM

The "FAANG" (Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix, Google) are now near a monopolistic position in their core areas and they are using it to make extra profits. But the are winds of war, e.g. Apple disallowing segmentation for Facebook and Google or charging in in-app purchases to third parties.

Apart from Facebooks try with Libra, is there anyway they could start competing on the blockchain world? My take is that they should.

You mean they should start making their own crypto currencies or coins? Well they can, but do we need them? We may if they provide better use cases. But one thing, they starting to develop their own crypto currencies will help spread more knowledge about the "existence" of current coins like Bitcoin and ETH among general people. People are curious. Once they see that Apple and Google are looking at making their own crypto currencies, naturally (at least most of the people) will try to learn more about crypto currencies. This way, they will get to know about bitcoin and other well known currencies.
So yeah, they should start competing and aggressively promote blockchain techonology.

I remember Telegram had their own token Gram and even set up some ICO project to gather money to create Telegram Open Network Blockchain. But as far as I know everything ends up with a big drop (lots of investors lost their money). So maybe it's really easier for social networks to use currently existing cryptocoins either to create their own blockchain.

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Quote from: paxmao on February 27, 2021, 07:14:01 PM

The "FAANG" (Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix, Google) are now near a monopolistic position in their core areas and they are using it to make extra profits. But the are winds of war, e.g. Apple disallowing segmentation for Facebook and Google or charging in in-app purchases to third parties.

Apart from Facebooks try with Libra, is there anyway they could start competing on the blockchain world? My take is that they should.

You mean they should start making their own crypto currencies or coins? Well they can, but do we need them? We may if they provide better use cases. But one thing, they starting to develop their own crypto currencies will help spread more knowledge about the "existence" of current coins like Bitcoin and ETH among general people. People are curious. Once they see that Apple and Google are looking at making their own crypto currencies, naturally (at least most of the people) will try to learn more about crypto currencies. This way, they will get to know about bitcoin and other well known currencies.
So yeah, they should start competing and aggressively promote blockchain techonology.

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Quote from: amishmanish on February 28, 2021, 12:42:03 AM

The article talks about making IDFA opt-in for users. So you can choose for an app to track you and your usage. The scourge of "personalized targeted advertisement" is doing a lot of damage to us as individuals and overall as society. Facebook and Google have become the main benefactors and perpetrators of this trend.

If Apple actually follows this in spirit, I may actually invest to buy an Apple phone rather than letting all of these companies turn us into entertained, consumerist zombies. While this has little relevance to blockchain, this must be made mandatory for all smart devices.

One of my main concerns with the typical Personalized Targeted Advertisement is how it can be abused by companies/people who wish to track & understand large numbers of people in detail without necessarily breaking the law.
I will probably allow things like that if they are decentralized, if nothing else apart from the owner knows/understands his own interest/activities, should be safe, not accessible to people without my permission, it should anonymity-friendly/privacy-friendly, etc....

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Quote from: el kaka22 on March 01, 2021, 02:56:01 PM

It means competition is wide open, they can come in an swoop to take their place. Look at how tiktok created a huge buzz all around the world, why was it so successful? Because, it is obvious that people were bored of the evil methods others made money, not like tiktok is any different but they still liked it anyway, which is why I believe we are doing not that well, but not doing that bad neither for new startups to arise.

It's just that when technology companies become too big, they become more clumsy and less receptive to new things, and the same applies to other areas of the economy. Of course, everything is not hopeless and some new stars still necessarily appear in the business, but in the conditions of monopolization, this happens not because of the novelty or effectiveness of a young player, but because of an oversight of the giants. Therefore, I believe that something should be done, but with a miscalculation of the consequences for the functioning of the economy.

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Quote from: paxmao on February 27, 2021, 07:14:01 PM

The "FAANG" (Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix, Google) are now near a monopolistic position in their core areas and they are using it to make extra profits. But the are winds of war, e.g. Apple disallowing segmentation for Facebook and Google or charging in in-app purchases to third parties.

Apart from Facebooks try with Libra, is there anyway they could start competing on the blockchain world? My take is that they should.

Apple is the number tech company which such a myopic sentiment of an average person. They think because they are unique means they are overvalue.
Sometimes, when I look at their products and the users, I pity them because I wonder if in the next 10 years, an iphone will be competing with price of an average car.
To the main topic, in business, there is better option when you fail, this is what you should expect and blockchain too, I think most of the tech companies see great potential in blockchain but at the same time they are afraid that they can not longer controls users data and information.
They sell this information and data as revenue, so I doubt if they would want something decentralized.

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The reality is that we have reached to a level where we are doing much better thanks to competition, the world is nowhere near where we are in the past but we are definitely not anywhere impossible neither. These huge tech companies have done whatever they want without any interruption and made money from our data as well, they really have been doing worse and worse, so right now at this point we are looking at something else because people hate those big ones.

It means competition is wide open, they can come in an swoop to take their place. Look at how tiktok created a huge buzz all around the world, why was it so successful? Because, it is obvious that people were bored of the evil methods others made money, not like tiktok is any different but they still liked it anyway, which is why I believe we are doing not that well, but not doing that bad neither for new startups to arise.

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Quote from: paxmao on February 27, 2021, 07:14:01 PM

The "FAANG" (Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix, Google) are now near a monopolistic position in their core areas and they are using it to make extra profits. But the are winds of war, e.g. Apple disallowing segmentation for Facebook and Google or charging in in-app purchases to third parties.

Events such as these have occurred for awhile now.

Quote

Microsoft quietly dumps Windows OpenGL support

Nov 29 1999

https://www.theregister.com/1999/11/29/ms_quietly_dumps_windows_opengl/

...

Quote

Apple Disables Flash for OS X Over Security Concerns

Sep 11th, 2013

https://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/apple-disables-flash-for-os-x-over-security-concerns

...

A motive behind these aggressive measures may sometimes be identified.

Microsoft owns and runs Direct X which is a direct competitor to OpenGL. Which was their motive for dumping OpenGL support.

Apple owned internet video and audio codecs which were competitors to adobe flash. Which could explain their motivation for dumping flash support.

It may be too early to identify apple's motive for these moves. Perhaps in the days to come things will become clearer.

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I am sure that these tech companies are now interested in this blockchain technology maybe they also bought some bitcoins but they didn't announce it in the media it will be added in their networth because there will always be a chance that bitcoin might go higher and hugher in the future, they can also use this asset to buy other stocks maybe their competitor stock so they can be a major share holder in that company , I hope we can use crypto to purchase some products.

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Quote from: paxmao on February 27, 2021, 07:14:01 PM

The "FAANG" (Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix, Google) are now near a monopolistic position in their core areas and they are using it to make extra profits. But the are winds of war, e.g. Apple disallowing segmentation for Facebook and Google or charging in in-app purchases to third parties.

Apart from Facebooks try with Libra, is there anyway they could start competing on the blockchain world? My take is that they should.

It's always about profits making, even if new innovative technology gets launched those who build it up did it to make money, as a matter of fact there is nothing that's completely free in this world, about libra and other I don't think it's necessary because we already have too many crypto coins right now, instead of building coins it's better to make use of the old credible crypto coins

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Quote from: paxmao on February 27, 2021, 07:14:01 PM

Apart from Facebooks try with Libra, is there anyway they could start competing on the blockchain world? My take is that they should.

What's "blockchain world'? Should they all start creating their own cryptocurrency? No, there's already thousands of crypto coins, a few more won't change anything. Bitcoin is the leader of crypto anyway, it literally has the best engineers in this field working on it, they shouldn't even try to compete with it. And having a separate currency for each platform will not work, users don't want that, they want one payment method for everything.

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Quote from: amishmanish on February 28, 2021, 12:42:03 AM

The article talks about making IDFA opt-in for users. So you can choose for an app to track you and your usage. The scourge of "personalized targeted advertisement" is doing a lot of damage to us as individuals and overall as society. Facebook and Google have become the main benefactors and perpetrators of this trend.

If Apple actually follows this in spirit, I may actually invest to buy an Apple phone rather than letting all of these companies turn us into entertained, consumerist zombies. While this has little relevance to blockchain, this must be made mandatory for all smart devices.

I read the article and even if I do not like apple products this is the way to go, if someone wants to give their data willingly and accept the opt-in that is their choice but at the moment we have no choice, smartphones have become nothing but spy machines that are watching everything you do every single day.

Any change that supports our privacy should be encouraged, I do not really care if this change causes Facebook or Google to lose some money, that is their problem and if they want to get that money back then they need to find a solution that does not require to spy on their customers all the time.

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