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legendary
Activity: 2101
Merit: 1061
March 28, 2015, 05:30:09 PM
#28
You think bitcoin is the only investment in the world?

Nope I like other hard assets too, gold, silver, land, properties. Steering well away from stock market though. Without going into huge detail I think global economy is not recovering as people in media proclaim and huge turmoil awaits. Hard assets (and likely bitcoin too) will protect from currency events.

Anyway, didn't mean to sound rude was going to go back and edit my comment but forgot. Point I'm trying to make is that although you gave great advice when bitcoin was in a huge bubble due to correct but now the market is very different from then. The correction could be over is it wise to continue to steer people out of bitcoin?
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 500
March 28, 2015, 12:45:16 PM
#27
In order for something to be be undervalued, it has to have value in the first place. 

If you really think Bitcoin has no value, why have you been wasting your time on here for the last year?

Entertainment and warning people to stay away after some idiot tried to convince my retired father to invest his retirement money in a "once in a lifetime" opportunity. Saved him like $50K in losses he was about to invest

Ive personally saved 9 people from losing about $200K in total by telling them to stay away from bubble highs.  Feel great about that


There's nothing wrong with telling people not to invest during bubble highs, but to say that Bitcoin has no value is intentionally misleading. I think your continued feeling of self-importance over saving people from their own stupidity is preventing you from seeing Bitcoin in a balanced way, unfortunately.

Nope its has no value as in value investing because price is purely speculative.  In order for you determine value you need fundamentals. 
Things like risk adjusted return

Besides from that the economics are all wrong.

@twiifm i hope they are understanding when they miss out on the next bitcoin rise

You think bitcoin is the only investment in the world?
legendary
Activity: 2101
Merit: 1061
March 28, 2015, 12:26:17 PM
#26
In order for something to be be undervalued, it has to have value in the first place. 

If you really think Bitcoin has no value, why have you been wasting your time on here for the last year?

Entertainment and warning people to stay away after some idiot tried to convince my retired father to invest his retirement money in a "once in a lifetime" opportunity. Saved him like $50K in losses he was about to invest

Ive personally saved 9 people from losing about $200K in total by telling them to stay away from bubble highs.  Feel great about that


There's nothing wrong with telling people not to invest during bubble highs, but to say that Bitcoin has no value is intentionally misleading. I think your continued feeling of self-importance over saving people from their own stupidity is preventing you from seeing Bitcoin in a balanced way, unfortunately.

Nope its has no value as in value investing because price is purely speculative.  In order for you determine value you need fundamentals. 
Things like risk adjusted return

Besides from that the economics are all wrong.

@twiifm i hope they are understanding when they miss out on the next bitcoin rise
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 500
March 27, 2015, 06:14:22 PM
#25
In order for something to be be undervalued, it has to have value in the first place. 

If you really think Bitcoin has no value, why have you been wasting your time on here for the last year?

Entertainment and warning people to stay away after some idiot tried to convince my retired father to invest his retirement money in a "once in a lifetime" opportunity. Saved him like $50K in losses he was about to invest

Ive personally saved 9 people from losing about $200K in total by telling them to stay away from bubble highs.  Feel great about that


There's nothing wrong with telling people not to invest during bubble highs, but to say that Bitcoin has no value is intentionally misleading. I think your continued feeling of self-importance over saving people from their own stupidity is preventing you from seeing Bitcoin in a balanced way, unfortunately.

Nope its has no value as in value investing because price is purely speculative.  In order for you determine value you need fundamentals. 
Things like risk adjusted return

Besides from that the economics are all wrong.
hero member
Activity: 924
Merit: 1000
March 27, 2015, 05:28:11 PM
#24
In order for something to be be undervalued, it has to have value in the first place. 

If you really think Bitcoin has no value, why have you been wasting your time on here for the last year?

Entertainment and warning people to stay away after some idiot tried to convince my retired father to invest his retirement money in a "once in a lifetime" opportunity. Saved him like $50K in losses he was about to invest

Ive personally saved 9 people from losing about $200K in total by telling them to stay away from bubble highs.  Feel great about that


There's nothing wrong with telling people not to invest during bubble highs, but to say that Bitcoin has no value is intentionally misleading. I think your continued feeling of self-importance over saving people from their own stupidity is preventing you from seeing Bitcoin in a balanced way, unfortunately.
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 500
March 27, 2015, 04:53:59 PM
#23
In order for something to be be undervalued, it has to have value in the first place. 

If you really think Bitcoin has no value, why have you been wasting your time on here for the last year?

Entertainment and warning people to stay away after some idiot tried to convince my retired father to invest his retirement money in a "once in a lifetime" opportunity. Saved him like $50K in losses he was about to invest

Ive personally saved 9 people from losing about $200K in total by telling them to stay away from bubble highs.  Feel great about that



hero member
Activity: 563
Merit: 500
March 27, 2015, 04:48:12 PM
#22
In order for something to be be undervalued, it has to have value in the first place. 

If you really think Bitcoin has no value, why have you been wasting your time on here for the last year?
legendary
Activity: 3248
Merit: 1070
March 27, 2015, 03:23:52 AM
#21
Nobody is going to invest their 401K in an asset that lost 80% in a year.

LOL

No indeed, why would they buy an undervalued asset?

Buy high, sell low!

because it could fall even lower, is bitcoin really undervaluted? what if the current price is too much for it

remember that the value of bitcoin is given by people, it has nothing to do with the supply cap
legendary
Activity: 896
Merit: 1000
March 26, 2015, 08:08:35 PM
#20
technicals not works in bitcoins/
While fundamental works in Bitcoin, that's why Bitcoin never made much progress in last few year.
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 500
March 26, 2015, 07:46:05 PM
#19
Nobody is going to invest their 401K in an asset that lost 80% in a year.

LOL

No indeed, why would they buy an undervalued asset?

Buy high, sell low!

In order for something to be be undervalued, it has to have value in the first place. 

"It's a mirage" - Warren Buffett about Bitcoin
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 500
March 26, 2015, 07:44:35 PM
#18
Nobody is going to invest their 401K in an asset that lost 80% in a year.

LOL

Actually that's precisely what a lot of smart investors do. After a market crash prices are relatively cheap so it's attractive to buy if you are looking to hold long term.

Yeah in an index like S&P.  Not sone crappy pennystock
hero member
Activity: 563
Merit: 500
March 26, 2015, 07:00:27 PM
#17
Nobody is going to invest their 401K in an asset that lost 80% in a year.

LOL

No indeed, why would they buy an undervalued asset?

Buy high, sell low!
Q7
sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
March 26, 2015, 06:09:20 AM
#16
Technicals if it can guarantee at least 60 percent chance of winning that is already good enough. So usually it will only apply in condition where there is no major news announcement expected. I don't know about you but for me, I haven't really find out one that can have that success rate, and which is why I'm a bit skeptical when it comes to so-called detailed analysis.
sr. member
Activity: 481
Merit: 251
March 26, 2015, 05:12:22 AM
#15
Technicals DO work in Bitcoin just like they work in anything else.  Have you noticed how it's bounced off that 14 month resistance line many many times?  However, technical analysis patterns are generally broken at some point in time.  I think we are nearing that time to break out, and I believe the Silbert ETF could be the development that does it.
newbie
Activity: 39
Merit: 0
March 26, 2015, 12:26:46 AM
#14
technicals not works in bitcoins/
legendary
Activity: 961
Merit: 1000
March 25, 2015, 10:06:29 PM
#13
US investors have had an investment option forced onto them via zero interest rates for years: the stock market. People will ride that wave til the end thinking they'll time the market. The flow on from this, coupled with the relatively negative press of the last year post Gox might offer a partial explanation of the lack of comparative price speculation from US investors.

I was under the impression that China does the bulk of the btc speculating?
legendary
Activity: 924
Merit: 1000
March 25, 2015, 09:36:28 PM
#12
Nobody is going to invest their 401K in an asset that lost 80% in a year.

LOL

Actually that's precisely what a lot of smart investors do. After a market crash prices are relatively cheap so it's attractive to buy if you are looking to hold long term.

The expression be fearful when others are greedy and be greedy when others are fearful holds true here. Thats the way to make profit
legendary
Activity: 1246
Merit: 1000
March 25, 2015, 08:30:04 PM
#11
Nobody is going to invest their 401K in an asset that lost 80% in a year.

LOL

Actually that's precisely what a lot of smart investors do. After a market crash prices are relatively cheap so it's attractive to buy if you are looking to hold long term.
legendary
Activity: 1554
Merit: 1021
March 25, 2015, 08:11:21 PM
#10
It's foolish to think that an offer on OTCQX is going to get Bitcoin to $100,000+.  

However I'm pretty sure that GBTC will get more than 70 million USD in the first year.
full member
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Merit: 107
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March 25, 2015, 07:59:07 PM
#9
ETF i don't think that's any good news, coinbase is still available, they can invest in BTC anytime
I can't tell how market will react,
but lol at bitcoin ETF opens door for big guys,, phew


Read up on what it means. You don't have to secure them yourself. You can buy through a broker. You can channel it through tax free options. It'll be regulated properly.

Whether anyone wants to invest is a different question, but there's never been anything quite like it before.
^^^This.

In 2014 Silbert promised that "Wall Street was going to enter bitcoin in a massive way" while a lot of investors of his second market fund have been totally screwed (bagholding since higher and they still can't withdraw (redemptions) anything for now). Other venture capital big guys like Tim Draper and Bill Miller are bagholding pretty hard too.

There was a lot of hype around Coinbase because "regulated!! OMG so much liquidity! volatility will decrease! institutional investors are coming! mooooon! NSYE!". Well, look at it now, nobody is using that "regulated" exchange. Less than a million on the order books and nobody cares.

It looks like some markets are boing opened where institutional investors could get in (Noble market-whatever, the pink sheets Silbert thing, etc)
Alright.
Will they get in? Prolly not.
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